Suhaan Posted May 31 Posted May 31 (edited) 12 hours ago, Lord said: Scoring 215 in 19 overs is not boring. We are just used to bigger scores which is more boring to me. They have shown tht bowling quality still matters Yes not necessarily boring but quite high risk there with that team dynamics,lol when their batsmen don't take risk at all barring Butler you won't see others taking risk ,both of their opners avoid playing in the air even in PPs Bowling has geled together surprisingly But need to have good no 4,5 there atleast Still they are heavy favourites vs RCB tonight Edited May 31 by Suhaan
Vickydev Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Happens in every sport, teams that are not flashy but effective and disciplined wipe the floor with these hipster teams
tweaker Posted May 31 Posted May 31 22 hours ago, maniac said: they have the old Indian formula of strong and conventional top 3 that chases down modest totals after a good bowling performance. not too many exciting talents but just cut for role journeyman mostly. They could have selected middle order batsman ie Sarfaraz, instead of Sidhu etc. maniac 1
tweaker Posted May 31 Posted May 31 11 minutes ago, tweaker said: Now Gill has gone early, Sundar, Nishant should step up now Sai also gone
New guy Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Considering our world cup winning team dominated way more with their style of play, thats the way to go tapandrun, Suhaan, Gollum and 2 others 5
New guy Posted May 31 Posted May 31 (edited) Any team with stat padders at top will always have weak middle and low order. Its a law of nature. Same excuse was given when we had kohli opening, same excuse wirh Pak when Rizbar opened Edited May 31 by New guy Ultimate_Game, vvvslaxman, maniac and 1 other 4
maniac Posted May 31 Author Posted May 31 Bump same results as old school Indian team, final me diya Ultimate_Game and New guy 2
Suhaan Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Had they won,Gill would have parachuted right back into the T20 team as VC.The T20 doors should be permanently shut on him Ultimate_Game 1
Ultimate_Game Posted May 31 Posted May 31 (edited) 30 minutes ago, maniac said: Bump same results as old school Indian team, final me diya Yup, old school Indian team or old school RBC! take your pick as it was the same story Edited May 31 by Ultimate_Game maniac 1
Ultimate_Game Posted May 31 Posted May 31 2 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Had they won,Gill would have parachuted right back into the T20 team as VC.The T20 doors should be permanently shut on him Bach gaye! Suhaan 1
Ultimate_Game Posted May 31 Posted May 31 8 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Had they won,Gill would have parachuted right back into the T20 team as VC.The T20 doors should be permanently shut on him I think it's time we have the following template for T20 team and players need to be selected who can play that role... Opener 1: SR of 180-200 and an average of 30+ Opener 2: SR of 180-200 and an average of 30+ No. 3 batter: SR of 160+ and an average of 35+ ; someone who can consolidate and can also hit No. 4 batter: SR of 150+ and an average of around 40; someone who can consolidate and can also hit No. 5 batter: SR of 160+ and an average of 35+ No. 6 batting all-rounder: SR of 160+ and an average of 28+; someone who can also bowl 2-3 overs No. 7 all-rounder: SR of 150+ and an average of 25+; someone who can bowl his whole quota No. 8 bowling all-rounder: SR of 160+ and an average of 20+; someone who can bowl his 4 overs and can hit long No. 9 bowler: ER of less than 8.5 and bowling average of less than 30 No. 10 bowler: ER of less than 8 and bowling average of less than 25 No. 11 bowler: ER of less than 8 and bowling average closer to 20 If you don't find a player who is the exact match, get a player who's closest to the template. And have the right-left combo when there're multiple players who fit the criteria.
vvvslaxman Posted May 31 Posted May 31 GT showed how not to construct a team. You can't bank on bowling making use of doctored home pitches. None of the GT bowlers are T20 specialists. Nobody has a mean slower ball. They largely rely on what pitches offers them. If they pitch doesn't offer they are cannon fodder. maniac and Ultimate_Game 2
zen Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Great performance overall … Sore losers will continue their drama even when a team reaches final rather than appreciating its performances!!
Ultimate_Game Posted May 31 Posted May 31 8 minutes ago, zen said: Great performance overall … Sore losers will continue their drama even when a team reaches final rather than appreciating its performances!! Not sore losers but valid criticism or feedback. I think most appreciate their performances but are simply stating that this approach is not sustainable and can't win you trophies.
vvvslaxman Posted May 31 Posted May 31 3 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Not sore losers but valid criticism or feedback. I think most appreciate their performances but are simply stating that this approach is not sustainable and can't win you trophies. Team expecting two batsmen in the team to click 100% of the time is an unsustainable strategy. Curious to see their W/L ratio when their top 3 fail Ultimate_Game and New guy 2
zen Posted May 31 Posted May 31 1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said: Not sore losers but valid criticism or feedback. I think most appreciate their performances but are simply stating that this approach is not sustainable and can't win you trophies. A constructive criticism is welcome. We know that the team unnecessarily gave a long rope to Tewatia and SRK, the two guys they retained before the last mega auction. And when they kept failing, they still continued to back them. But the team was still able to overcome that with its strengths so that deserves credit.
Ultimate_Game Posted May 31 Posted May 31 1 minute ago, zen said: A constructive criticism is welcome. We know that the team unnecessarily gave a long rope to Tewatia and SRK, the two guys they retained before the last mega auction. And when they kept failing, they still continued to back them. But the team was still able to overcome that with its strengths so that deserves credit. Everyone did give them the credit and I think they over-achieved. But some of the comments are valid criticism. GT relies heavily on their openers and both Gill and Sai had an amazing tourney racking up 600+ runs each, which is remarkable. But this approach is not sustainable in the longer run. In T20s you're likely to lose a couple of early wkts and GT is not built to handle such a scenario. As an example, SRH have Head and Abhishek at the top as enforcers. If they go off they'll finish the match in a few overs itself but if they fail they still have Ishan and Klassen later on. SRH didn't get past qualifier but as a team I would rate them higher than GT as they have more bases covered. Doesn't mean they'll win everytime but I would rate their chances higher. RR was also similar to GT where they relied on their openers (Sooryavanshi and Jaiswal) a lot. For them to succeed, they had to rely on their openers and Sooryavanshi a lot coz if they failed, Jurel and Parag wouldn't be taking them anywhere. In playoffs you have to win 2-3 matches against better teams and chances are your top order will come under pressure and lose early wkts. GT is not built to handle it just like RCB and Indian teams of old. That's what they'll need to change. They need better nos. 4 & 5 coz Sundar and Tewatia ain't it, and need some 6 hitters down the order. Bowling is good but batting depth is needed and there're a lot of good Indian talent coming through.
zen Posted May 31 Posted May 31 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Everyone did give them the credit and I think they over-achieved. But some of the comments are valid criticism. GT relies heavily on their openers and both Gill and Sai had an amazing tourney racking up 600+ runs each, which is remarkable. But this approach is not sustainable in the longer run. In T20s you're likely to lose a couple of early wkts and GT is not built to handle such a scenario. As an example, SRH have Head and Abhishek at the top as enforcers. If they go off they'll finish the match in a few overs itself but if they fail they still have Ishan and Klassen later on. SRH didn't get past qualifier but as a team I would rate them higher than GT as they have more bases covered. Doesn't mean they'll win everytime but I would rate their chances higher. RR was also similar to GT where they relied on their openers (Sooryavanshi and Jaiswal) a lot. For them to succeed, they had to rely on their openers and Sooryavanshi a lot coz if they failed, Jurel and Parag wouldn't be taking them anywhere. In playoffs you have to win 2-3 matches against better teams and chances are your top order will come under pressure and lose early wkts. GT is not built to handle it just like RCB and Indian teams of old. That's what they'll need to change. They need better nos. 4 & 5 coz Sundar and Tewatia ain't it, and need some 6 hitters down the order. Bowling is good but batting depth is needed and there're a lot of good Indian talent coming through. But every team relies on its top players. Gill, Sai S, Buttler, Rashid, Rabada, & Siraj are GT’s top players. This season, it had guys like Holder standing up too, while Sundar contributed here and there. Philips was giving opportunities but he did not click. RCB relies on Kohli in batting and Bhuvi and Hazlewood in bowling. CSK depends on Samson. DC relies on KL. RR relies on Sooryavanshi and Archer. SRH relies on Abhishek, Kishan, and Klassen. MI’s fortunes depends on SKY and Bumrah. If you rely on fringe players like Prabhsimran and Arya, along with Conelly, you may not go far. Key players like Iyer, Arshdeep, etc. needed to step up more. If a team has outstanding players, it will depend on them. Edited May 31 by zen
Ultimate_Game Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Just now, zen said: But every team relies on its top players. Gill, Sai S, Buttler, Rashid, Rabada, & Siraj are GT’s top players. This season, it has guys like Holder staring up too, while Sundar contributed here and there. RCB relies on Kohli in batting and Bhuvi and Hazlewood in bowling. MI depends on Bumrah in bowling. CSK depends on Samson. DC relies on KL. RR relies on Sooryavanshi and Archer. SRH relies on Abhishek, Kishan, and Klassen. MI’s fortunes depends on SKY and Bumrah. If you rely on fringe players like Prabhsimrsn and Arya, you may not go far. If a team has outstanding players, it will spend on them. Yes they do and that's why teams who go far need to have their stars step up. Both Gill and Sai did and that's why they reached the final. But other teams also have others to rely on. E.g., RCB had Patidar who won a couple of matches when their top order failed or Krunal showed up or Tim David took the bowling apart lower down the order. GT didn't have those players or performances anywhere close to them. Other than top 2 or 3 they had nothing in the batting dept. Sundar was useless at 4 and why Tewatia is still playing is a mystery to me. They're trying to replace Pandya and Miller from their earlier team with Sundar and Miller and the gap is huge. You can't expect Gill and Sai to score 600+ runs every season and succeed in every knockout to win the trophy. That's unrealistic. GT will end up like Indian team of old - highly consistent and with the best record but other teams (Aus, Eng) win tourneys. Or like RCB of old where they reached playoffs nearly every season with Gayle, ABDV and Kohli but it was CSK and MI who won the title coz they had more rounded teams. GT has work to do as the current team has reached its ceiling. They can't ask for more from their top order, and need to build some depth.
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