India's squad for Zimbabwe Tour announced, Samson dropped Rinku returns

[cricspirit]

Too bad for Sanju. Tilak will have to go at some point if the continues like this.

 

Rinku is a better utility than Tilak in lower middle order. I would play Rinku ahead of Tilak. Thats just me. 

 

Very happy that Mayank and Ashok are in. Not sure why Harahit was dropped. Prasidh I dont think belongs to T20I. We can keep Siraj and Prasidh for Tests.

 

This assures Sooryavanshi plays all games. Sanju got to play down the order now that the kid is here. 

[singhvivek141]

7 minutes ago, cricspirit said:

Too bad for Sanju. Tilak will have to go at some point if the continues like this.

 

Rinku is a better utility than Tilak in lower middle order. I would play Rinku ahead of Tilak. Thats just me. 

 

Very happy that Mayank and Ashok are in. Not sure why Harahit was dropped. Prasidh I dont think belongs to T20I. We can keep Siraj and Prasidh for Tests.

 

This assures Sooryavanshi plays all games. Sanju got to play down the order now that the kid is here. 

He will be rotated. Seems BCCI has accepted that Bumrah can't be dragged everywhere and they need new legs to support him.
Prasidh and Siraj too are in their 30s.
Mayank, Ashok, Harshit are under 25, Gurnoor is 26...they havr time in their hands to take us for next 8-10 years.

[BacktoCricaddict]

Hope they have a proper plan for him, have communicated that with him, and got him buy in on his long-term role.

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, cricspirit said:

Too bad for Sanju. Tilak will have to go at some point if the continues like this.

 

Rinku is a better utility than Tilak in lower middle order. I would play Rinku ahead of Tilak. Thats just me. 

 

Very happy that Mayank and Ashok are in. Not sure why Harahit was dropped. Prasidh I dont think belongs to T20I. We can keep Siraj and Prasidh for Tests.

 

This assures Sooryavanshi plays all games. Sanju got to play down the order now that the kid is here. 

 

Rinku is more limited than Verma, he is not a finisher. He does not have pwer game, think he has replaced Sundar in t20i.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 6 by tapandrun

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Rinku is more limited than Verma, he is not a finisher. He does not have pwer game, think he has replaced Sundar in t20i.

 

 

 

 

 

What? Rinku is far better finisher than Tilak 

[cricspirit]

5 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Rinku is more limited than Verma, he is not a finisher. He does not have pwer game, think he has replaced Sundar in t20i.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rinku does not try to stat-pad. More naturally aggressive batter. Can hit 3 sixes in last over. Tilak may be but unlikely.

 

Rinku has got way less proper opportunities than Tilak. Tilak has batted 3 to 5. Rinku mostly 5-7 . Has faced less than 10 balls per match while Tilak has faced 20 balls per match. So Tilak has had better opportunity to make impact. 

 

Tilak is a good fielder but Rinku is better.

 

Both can bowl a few and are somewhat similar. 

 

Finally we have lot of choices for Top 4, and after that Tilak has a less impact. 

 

I am not saying that Rinku must play, but if I have to pick one to bat 5 or lower then I choose Rinku over Tilak. 

 

[bowl_out]

17 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Rinku is more limited than Verma, he is not a finisher. He does not have pwer game, think he has replaced Sundar in t20i.

 

Yash Dayal would disagree

[tapandrun]

35 minutes ago, Lord said:

What? Rinku is far better finisher than Tilak 

 

28 minutes ago, cricspirit said:

 

 

Rinku does not try to stat-pad. More naturally aggressive batter. Can hit 3 sixes in last over. Tilak may be but unlikely.

 

Rinku has got way less proper opportunities than Tilak. Tilak has batted 3 to 5. Rinku mostly 5-7 . Has faced less than 10 balls per match while Tilak has faced 20 balls per match. So Tilak has had better opportunity to make impact. 

 

Tilak is a good fielder but Rinku is better.

 

Both can bowl a few and are somewhat similar. 

 

Finally we have lot of choices for Top 4, and after that Tilak has a less impact. 

 

I am not saying that Rinku must play, but if I have to pick one to bat 5 or lower then I choose Rinku over Tilak. 

 

 

Both are v.limited batters, rinku does not bring anything extra. Its just now that verma's limitations are exposed ppl are hyping rinku. Rinku is similar to he too can not take down spinners. He also gets stuck.

 

rinku does not even have the power game of verma.  At least verma can hit 6s from the crease and is able to score freely when wkts are in hand.

rinku lacks the power game , he is not successful vs. spin because he can not hit 4/6 from the crease, to hit pacers for 6s he needs to create momentum as well.

 

both are limited and rinku is not upgrade on verma, its just replacing verma with another version of verma.

 

Just look at rinku's  t20i year on yr sr it has dropped every year because ppl have figured his game

 

Even in Ipl his sr drops below 140 out side home ground because edens is smaller ground with v.fast out-field. 6s goes from 1 per 11 balls to 19 balls.

 

Location Split	Matches / Innings	Total Runs	Balls Faced	Total Sixes (6s)	Sixes Per Ball	Career Strike Rate
Eden Gardens (Home in Kolkata)	30 / 25	641	415	38	0.0916 (1 every 10.92 balls)	154.46
Away Venues (Outside Kolkata)	43 / 37	753	540	29	0.0537 (1 every 18.62 balls)	139.44
Overall IPL Career Total	73 / 62	1,394	955	67	0.0702 (1 every 14.25 balls)	145.97

 

 

 

 

Edited July 6 by tapandrun

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

 

Both are v.limited batters, rinku does not bring anything extra. Its just now that verma's limitations are exposed ppl are hyping rinku. Rinku is similar to he too can not take down spinners. He also gets stuck.

 

rinku does not even have the power game of verma.  At least verma can hit 6s from the crease and is able to score freely when wkts are in hand.

rinku lacks the power game , he is not successful vs. spin because he can not hit 4/6 from the crease, to hit pacers for 6s he needs to create momentum as well.

 

both are limited and rinku is not upgrade on verma, its just replacing verma with another version of verma

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rinku has finished chases both in IPL and for India. In death overs mostly pacers bowl. Has better temperament under pressure 

 

Even if both are similar batsmen, Rinku edges it due to his fielding 

 

 

[zen]

lol prabshimran singh in for samson

[tapandrun]

9 minutes ago, Lord said:

Rinku has finished chases both in IPL and for India. In death overs mostly pacers bowl. Has better temperament under pressure 

 

Even if both are similar batsmen, Rinku edges it due to his fielding 

 

 

Both are not suited for T20is, Ind should look else where. Batters with proper power game. 

t20 wc has time develop other players, Can rinku cross big boundaries of Aus ???  Can he play on more bouncy wkts of Aus and Nz.

Edited July 6 by tapandrun

[cricspirit]

29 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Both are not suited for T20is, Ind should look else where. Batters with proper power game. 

t20 wc has time develop other players, Can rinku cross big boundaries of Aus ???  Can he play on more bouncy wkts of Aus and Nz.

 

This is right now. Please suggest No.6/7 options. Players who can bowl a bit and field well. Have the power game you want and clear big grounds. Also not KL type mentally. Because in theory, KL can bat anywhere, can hit around the wicket, be explosive when in mood etc.... but will not do anything under pressure.

 

Definitely if we get better options, Rinku goes out and so does Tilak.

[Lord]

41 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Both are not suited for T20is, Ind should look else where. Batters with proper power game. 

t20 wc has time develop other players, Can rinku cross big boundaries of Aus ???  Can he play on more bouncy wkts of Aus and Nz.

If we found options surely, among these two Rinku offers more in current setup 

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, cricspirit said:

 

This is right now. Please suggest No.6/7 options. Players who can bowl a bit and field well. Have the power game you want and clear big grounds. Also not KL type mentally. Because in theory, KL can bat anywhere, can hit around the wicket, be explosive when in mood etc.... but will not do anything under pressure.

 

Definitely if we get better options, Rinku goes out and so does Tilak.

 

develop players like Shedge, Viabhav, Arya , Urvil see if they can be improved and developed fr next wc and see if they can play multiple slots in t20is. There should not be the case either they play and play at certain slot only else its hard to keep in 15.

 

If Arya can play in mo or lower mo, may be vaibhav too and urvil can open he can also score quickly. These are few tall batter with good bat speed and ability to hit big shots.

 

you have to develop players, can not just recycling same players who have similar limitations and are similar players. If player1 does not do well then player sitting outside automatically does not become superior 

 

 

Player	Primary Comfort Slot	Target Alternate Slot	Technical Gap to Bridge	Squad Value Proposition
Vaibhav Sooryavanshi	Opener (LHB)	Middle Order (No. 4/5)	Playing extreme spin from ball one without resetting.	Left-handed muscle to break spin matchups in the middle overs.
Priyansh Arya	Opener LHB)	Middle / Lower-Middle (No. 5/6)	Manipulating fields; turning good balls into ones and twos.	Elite baseline strike-rate (191+ in IPL) injected into the death overs.
Urvil Patel	Opener / No. 3 (RHB)	Lower-Middle / Finisher (No. 6/7)	Off-side access; handling high-pace hard lengths.	Wicketkeeper-batter hybrid with record-shattering ball-striking.
Suryansh Shedge	Middle Order (RHB)	Floater / Finisher (No. 6/7)	Handling defensive wide-line bowling outside off.	bowling-option utility (Medium-pace/Off-spin cushion).

 

 

 

Edited July 7 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

develop players like Shedge, Viabhav, Arya , Urvil see if they can be improved and developed fr next wc and see if they can play multiple slots in t20is. There should not be the case either they play and play at certain slot only else its hard to keep in 15.

 

If Arya can play in mo or lower mo, may be vaibhav too and urvil can open he can also score quickly. These are few tall batter with good bat speed and ability to hit big shots.

 

you have to develop players, can not just recycling same players who have similar limitations and are similar players. If player1 does not do well then player sitting outside automatically does not become superior 

 

 

Player	Primary Comfort Slot	Target Alternate Slot	Technical Gap to Bridge	Squad Value Proposition
Vaibhav Sooryavanshi	Opener (LHB)	Middle Order (No. 4/5)	Playing extreme spin from ball one without resetting.	Left-handed muscle to break spin matchups in the middle overs.
Priyansh Arya	Opener LHB)	Middle / Lower-Middle (No. 5/6)	Manipulating fields; turning good balls into ones and twos.	Elite baseline strike-rate (191+ in IPL) injected into the death overs.
Urvil Patel	Opener / No. 3 (RHB)	Lower-Middle / Finisher (No. 6/7)	Off-side access; handling high-pace hard lengths.	Wicketkeeper-batter hybrid with record-shattering ball-striking.
Suryansh Shedge	Middle Order (RHB)	Floater / Finisher (No. 6/7)	Handling defensive wide-line bowling outside off.	bowling-option utility (Medium-pace/Off-spin cushion).

 

 

 

Bro..asking an opener to bat at no 5/6/7 isnt the right strategy. Likes of Priyansh dont move much and rely on batswing to generate power...this becomes an issue in death when the bowlers will bowl defensive lengths away from the arc of the batters. Abhishek failed in MO for the same reason even though he generates a lot of momentum by moving on the crease.

 

We only have Shivam Dube right now with brute power...Shashank, Samad & Ashutosh are there at IPL level. Then a tier below we have likes of Rinku or Ramandeep who can play the similarish role. Rinku moves in the crease and has fast hands to generate momentum like Suresh Raina.

 

 

[tapandrun]

22 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Bro..asking an opener to bat at no 5/6/7 isnt the right strategy. Likes of Priyansh dont move much and rely on batswing to generate power...this becomes an issue in death when the bowlers will bowl defensive lengths away from the arc of the batters. Abhishek failed in MO for the same reason even though he generates a lot of momentum by moving on the crease.

 

We only have Shivam Dube right now with brute power...Shashank, Samad & Ashutosh are there at IPL level. Then a tier below we have likes of Rinku or Ramandeep who can play the similarish role. Rinku moves in the crease and has fast hands to generate momentum like Suresh Raina.

 

 

 

yes traditionally openers can not play in lower mo because (rightly mentioned) they lack power game to hit the ball down the ground, playing as finisher req. brute force as there is a need to hit older ball + need to hit yorker length balls too.

 

Thats the reason dint mention abhishek or gill or jaiswal, mentioned batter with power game and fast bat speeds and who are hitting big boundaries.

 

Rinku/Raman will not work at intnl level specially vs top sides. 

 

Urvil/arya/Vibhav/segde are all tall and have good power game all hit big boundaries. The issue is Ind players do not play other leagues so they do nt get to test themselves at various slots and they become 1 slot specialists.

 

Owens is opener but in league he plays down the order, in no time Cooper has played all the slots. in t20s need to try diff. options. There are loads of openers avialable but no mo or lower mo can try few and see what they can offer.

 

Apart from arya rest 3 are multi-skilled.

 

Raina was tall compared to rinku , plus raina had better game vs spin. But raina was never a top t20i player vs top sides. Not ipl but t20is.

Rinku does now use crease but he charges down the pitch because he can not hit 6s from crease 

 

 

 

[nevada]

14 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Will be sidelined in due course.  Vaibhav and rest will bash Zimbabwe and seal their spots and Samson will be forgotten 

Why don't they drop Tilak or give rest to Ishan who is playing ODIs also? Dropping Sanju is very harsh. 

[Rightarmfast]

What is Shivam Dubey's talent exactly to be included in all the matches?

[Lone Wolf]

Sanju and Bishnoi may get kicked out from Asian Games squad too

 

[Manucrick]

20 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Sanju and Bishnoi may get kicked out from Asian Games squad too

 

So they gave Sanju a long rest until the end of his career