Dhoni's captaincy record as compared to previous Indian captains

[rkt.india]

Can he win a WC? The day he does, I ll put him above Kapil Dev on my lists! Keep going Dhobi...Pachad Pahcad ke dho sabko

He has already won one, u forgot, the T-20 WC

[vvvslaxman]

He has already won one' date=' u forgot, the T-20 WC[/quote'] One is pyjama cricket. The other one is boxer cricket. Not much difference. :cantstop:

[champ]

dhoni brings a great attitude to the team .. he is fearless and strong .. he keeps pushing the players to improve and do better .. naturally the team adopts his attitude ..

[The Outsider]

Dont know about the Aussies. Speaking for India, why have we succeeded recently ? Is this our strongest team ever ? Perhaps, the most balanced side we have ever had. But that does not explain why our team has collectively punched above its weight oflate. Our batting lineup has been pretty much the same in the last 6-7 years (since Sehwag started opening). Yet this batting lineup which we are used to seeing capitulate in the last innings (Karachi, Bangalore, Mumbai etc come to mind immediately), has suddenly begun to pull off the unthinkable. In Chennai last year, we pulled off a record chase against England. In NZ we batted for over two days to draw a test. In Motera this year, we managed to bat for a day and a half to draw the game. These are superlative performances for the standards we are used to. Is this attributable to Dhoni's leadership ? Or our fast bowlers ? I dont know. But I think they all play a part in it. After watching cricket for a while, I have come to realize that players tend to punch above their weights when they know that they are part of a superior team. The fear of failure deserts them. They think that they are winners. They know that their peers will save this team even if they fail. The result is that you tend to play a lot more positively even when the chips are down. The Aussies were a classic example of this theory. I remember Gilly & Haydos saying that their goal was to score 100 runs in the first 15 overs every time they walked out to bat. They were not worried about losing their wickets, because they knew that the rest of the batting was strong enough to put up a competitive score even if the openers were dismissed cheaply. This positive attitude from talented players is almost a self-fulfilling prophecy. You get better results executing your skills this way & the better results in turn reinforce such a mindset. I think Indian players have begun to think that they are world beaters. This is an important first step in building any successful team. The captain and the selectors play an important part in this as well. Hopefully the results will follow.

This is an excellent post and should be bookmarked!! :two_thumbs_up:

[The Dark Horse]

Dhoni is bold, confident and sometimes arrogant.:winky: Neverthess he is a very good captain. He also has a fair share of luck. Will be interesting see how he handles the team when the big guns are gone.

[vvvslaxman]

dhoni brings a great attitude to the team .. he is fearless and strong .. he keeps pushing the players to improve and do better .. naturally the team adopts his attitude ..

That is the key. The attitude. He leads by example.

[Jersey #10]

He has already won one' date=' u forgot, the T-20 WC[/quote'] :giggle:SILLY :giggle:

[Jersey #10]

ONE FREAKING TEST WIN AND EVERY ONE IS BRAGGING :wall: The wounds of losing 4-2 against OZ recently are yet to heal :(( Winning the toss in the second test was half the job done right there and then. Let India beat OZ and SA convincingly in both ODI and Test series first and then we can start bragging.

[Karan114]

ONE FREAKING TEST WIN AND EVERY ONE IS BRAGGING :wall: The wounds of losing 4-2 against OZ recently are yet to heal :((

Are you a paki? Otherwise who the hell rates limited overs game above test?

[Jersey #10]

Are you a paki? Otherwise who the hell rates limited overs game above test?

I DO! Apparently many do and which is why you see 20x more people coming out to watch ODI instead of Test matches. and read my post again, I said that India needs to win Odi's and Tests against teams like OZ and SA am I paki? I ll leave that on you to decide!

[davidcooper]

gangluy created zheer, sehwag, bhajji, yuvraj etc. who are mainstays of this current team dhoni's prodigys like raina, rohit sharma, kohli have all failed so far so dhoni has a long long way to prove himself in the league of ganguly in terms of captaincy

[Sachinism]

Raina hasn't failed mate. And the others, its just a matter of time. Plus I don't know about how much influence Dhoni had in bringing them into the team

[vvvslaxman]

gangluy created zheer, sehwag, bhajji, yuvraj etc. who are mainstays of this current team dhoni's prodigys like raina, rohit sharma, kohli have all failed so far so dhoni has a long long way to prove himself in the league of ganguly in terms of captaincy

Nobody created anything. Everyone came through ranks. Infact his obsession with Parthiv Patel cost us first Australian series. Parthiv Patel dropped 23 catches under Ganguly. FYI Raina made debut even before Dhoni. http://www.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/142856.html

[Zap_Brannigan]

Nobody created anything. Everyone came through ranks. Infact his obsession with Parthiv Patel cost us first Australian series. Parthiv Patel dropped 23 catches under Ganguly. FYI Raina made debut even before Dhoni. http://www.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/142856.html

Both captains have an obsession with a certain player that they try them even after repeated failures over other deserving players. Like you said, P Patel cost us the Aus series (although even if he caught some, Bucknor wouldn't have given them out anyway). What was Dinesh mongia doing in the WC 2003 playing 11 ? Similarly with Dhoni, even when the selectors put Badri and M Vijay in the squad, Rohit Sharma and D Karthik get repeated chances after numerous flops over those 2. Its esp infuriating, when D Karthik is considered a better batsman and a better opener that those 2.

[Karan114]

Similarly with Dhoni' date=' even when the selectors put Badri and M Vijay in the squad, Rohit Sharma and D Karthik get repeated chances after numerous flops over those 2. Its esp infuriating, when D Karthik is considered a better batsman and a better opener that those 2.[/quote'] M Vijay did play against aussies in nagpur last year and will most probably play against lankans in third test also. He is an opener, tell me why Dhoni would drop Gambir or Sehwag for Vijay? Is Vijay so good. As for Karthik, remember he did do well as opener in England, which very few do. As for Badri, he has been little unlucky, should have gotten chances when Rohit Sharma kept failing, but to be honest he looks to me one of those guys who look good at domestic level but are flop in real thing.

[vvvslaxman]

Both captains have an obsession with a certain player that they try them even after repeated failures over other deserving players. Like you said, P Patel cost us the Aus series (although even if he caught some, Bucknor wouldn't have given them out anyway). What was Dinesh mongia doing in the WC 2003 playing 11 ? Similarly with Dhoni, even when the selectors put Badri and M Vijay in the squad, Rohit Sharma and D Karthik get repeated chances after numerous flops over those 2. Its esp infuriating, when D Karthik is considered a better batsman and a better opener that those 2.

Difference is Dhoni was able to save the team on his own whenever his choices flunked. I don't disagree that Dhoni is not rigid. For instance just to prove a point he persisted with R.Jadeja in the dead rubber against SA. But overall he is a bit more flexible with his team selection. His favorites Rohit, Yusuf, RP are not part of the team any more. Same way he took back Sreesanth again.

[Mr. Wicket]

The Yuvraj/Laxman discussion has been moved here - http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=193629 - to allow this discussion on Dhoni's captaincy to continue.

[Zap_Brannigan]

M Vijay did play against aussies in nagpur last year and will most probably play against lankans in third test also. He is an opener, tell me why Dhoni would drop Gambir or Sehwag for Vijay? Is Vijay so good. As for Karthik, remember he did do well as opener in England, which very few do. As for Badri, he has been little unlucky, should have gotten chances when Rohit Sharma kept failing, but to be honest he looks to me one of those guys who look good at domestic level but are flop in real thing.

Karhik did decently well in tests.. Thats about it. He has been a major failure in ODIs. Karthik and Sharma has already played more than 30 ODIs while Badri has 3 and Vijay has 1 test and both have been in the squad for a few tours. Was there really any reason to pick Karthik when Sehwag/Ghambir were injured when he had Vijay, a specialist opener in the squad? or the persistence of certain players? Its not about selecting Vijay or Badri...its about selecting players for the course. If an opener is injured, then you go to the 3rd opener in the squad, not the back up keeper. Why select a 3rd opener in the squad if there is no use for him unless 2 openers and makeshift opener get injured?(in which case you can fly in someone else)

[Karan114]

Karhik did decently well in tests.. Thats about it. He has been a major failure in ODIs. Karthik and Sharma has already played more than 30 ODIs while Badri has 3 and Vijay has 1 test and both have been in the squad for a few tours.

Well I guess Karthik has been in and out of the team, sometimes he was in the squad as second keeper also. As for Badri/Sharma, I already said Badri should have played more when Rohit was failing even though personally I don't rate Badri. Vijay was initially seen to be Test player, I think in recent times only he has become more aggressive and suited to ODIs. In Tests only reason he doesn't play more is that Gambhir/Sehwag is world's best opening pair. Bad luck for M Vijay.

Was there reallly any reason to pick Karthik when Sehwag/Ghambir were injured when he had Vijay, a specialist opener in the squad?

Yeah that was probably a mistake, I agree.

[Zap_Brannigan]

Difference is Dhoni was able to save the team on his own whenever his choices flunked. I don't disagree that Dhoni is not rigid. For instance just to prove a point he persisted with R.Jadeja in the dead rubber against SA. But overall he is a bit more flexible with his team selection. His favorites Rohit' date=' Yusuf, RP are not part of the team any more. Same way he took back Sreesanth again.[/quote'] Dhoni hasnt always bailed us out. In the recent Aus series, we could have used another batsman instead of 5 specialist bowlers who bowl only 40 overs among them. We have lost so many games due to bad team selection. India wins on the backs of Ghambir, Sehwag, Dhoni, Yuvi, Raina, Zaheer and Bhajji. Its not due to Sharma, Kholi, Jadeja, Kathik etc.