Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif

[DesiChap]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif try to distinguish between a country and a race !

[yoda]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif

what are the races involved here? :chin: i can see distinct intellectual grades though.

Ummmm... well the Pakistani race for a start. Is that not a race

Nope. All of us are of the same race, whether we like it or not.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif

Order restored in Pak after a cunning period when they made the world think that the country indeed was part of the civilized world.

We are talking about country here where these thigns are accepted norm (1) Supreme court ratifying the lilitary coup (2) supremer court ratifying the the preambles of constitution by military or civilian govt doesn't really matter (3) Finds dalai-lama offensive (4) where socalled cricket legends come and say yes i cheated so does everybody else

[gator]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif hide the world's most fearsome terrorists..

[Baadshah]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif

try to distinguish between a country and a race !

We're talking about Racism, which was what my original post was about. From Wikipedia - 'The term racism is sometimes used to refer to preference for one's own ethnic group (ethnocentrism),[2] fear of foreigners (xenophobia), views or preferences against interbreeding of the races (miscegenation),[3] and nationalism,[4], and/or a generalization of a specific group of people (stereotype)

[Zap_Brannigan]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif Baadshah,we ,Indians and pakis are of the same race and hence it wasnt racists technically...besides if a white person hates a black person for reasons other than his skin color,thats not racists either.. Look at pakistan,compared to most countries that indians know abt,it has to be the worst(we dont care a lot abt middle east or africa) .... terrorism,dictatorship,govt sanctioned massacres,starting wars.....just too many reasons not to like them. Even if we forget abt that and focus on just cricket, then we have an illustrious list which includes ball tampering,pitch tampering,doping,intentional beamers.... Now why would anyone like Pakistan

[Baadshah]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif

Baadshah,we ,Indians and pakistanis are of the same race and hence it wasnt racists technically...besides if a white person hates a black person for reasons other than his skin color,thats not racists either.. Look at pakistan,compared to most countries that indians know abt,it has to be the worst(we dont care a lot abt middle east or africa) .... terrorism,dictatorship,govt sanctioned massacres,starting wars.....just too many reasons not to like them. Even if we forget abt that and focus on just cricket, then we have an illustrious list which includes ball tampering,pitch tampering,doping,intentional beamers.... Now why would anyone like Pakistan

I could come up with a very similar list and end it with 'Now why would anyone like India?' as you all seem to love generalising. Pitch tampering? Intentional beamers? You really are getting desperate. Should i generalise your whole team or culture because Dravid also ball tampered? Admit it or not, the phrase used by Predator_05 was racist.

[Zap_Brannigan]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif 1st u have to prove tht he did ball tampering,which u cant. Can u some up with something else?Did we ever tamper the pitch? Did we cheat in any way? What did u think when Aktar bowled a beamer to dhoni when he got smacked? Have u seen any other cricketer chuck a cricket ball,which can kill, like tht? U have to remember that players like akram are admired in India more than even in pak, at the same time we also hate aktar more than anyone else...there is a reason for that. Its not blind hate. Look at the players in ur side. Aktar,Afridi,Asif. Cheaters! The worst part abt this is tht most of the pakis are happy tht they did not get banned. There is something morally wrong abt tht. U shd also know tht hate today or in the coming weeks will be higher than normal cos Asif and aktar got off on a technicality. We have players like nehra,balaji and sachin till recently who were injured but took the long legal road to rehabilitation while those 2 took the easy way out.Ignorance is not a defense.

[King]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif Ball tampering, pitch tampering, doping, you name it they do it. There is absolutely no secret to that. I guess people are a bit lenient in that part of the world for such acts. Once Imran Khan, Sarfraz and the rest started to quote in media the punishment is too hard the PCB was going to tone down. Even if they had upheld 1 year ban it would have done world of good but expect PCB to shoot themselves in their foot. Why the hell did they even decide in the first place to ban the players? Over it you don't need to given them a chance to appeal if you trust your PCB's judgement. What of people that in the first place found these two guys guilty? It must be a shame to represent PCB surely. I won't label the nation but a lot of Pak players are big cheats. They just can't seem to play cricket the way it is played. If not ball tampering, it has to be pitch tampering otherwise it has to be doping. Never ending saga this one. BTW what is going to stop the upcoming players from not embracing supplements such as these in future now that they cannot ban them? Also why is that the popular players are the ones practicing this? Akram, Waqar, Imran and the rest were involved with Ball tampering. Afridi did the pitch dancing when he was also one of the popular cricketers in Pak. Now Shoaib and also with him the new star of Pak team Asif is involved. These popular guys have set very bad examples and no wonder the upcoming cricketers are lulled into such practices.

[Zap_Brannigan]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif Maybe they became popular for a reason!

[Guest dada_rocks]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif u can't convince a pakistani about the immorality guys it's futile exercise. it's in their culture to be cheats as i mentioned cricket is nothing complete disreagrad for any rule of law is all pervasive in their society.. heck some indian athlete tested positive in doha rst assured they are going to be treated the way they sud.. every thug has an excuse even warne produced one.. my moma gave it to me but full marks to the adhereance to the letter of law by acb they didn't buy that unlike crook board called pcb . Munda pakisan was boasting that PCb banned them hence I should not take grim view of their morality and I did mention that just wait and watch how these thugs end this charade by acquitting them..lo and behold that's exactly how it happened.. PCB can got to hell my signature is not changing

[Aditi]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif It was a stupid comment, but nothing racial about it. Since you highlighted the stereotyping bit, Wikipedia defines stereotyping: Stereotypes are ideas held by some individuals about members of particular groups, based solely on membership in that group. They are often used in a negative or prejudicial sense and are frequently used to justify certain discriminatory behaviors. More benignly, they may express sometimes-accurate folk wisdom about social reality. Stereotyping is making comments like "Oh you're a Jew, so you must be stingy".....not insulting a country.

[MundaPakistani]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif You lot were not happy even when they were handed the 2 and 1 year ban so i am not too bothered about what you guys think having said that i am quite unhappy at the way PCB has been working in recent years....their methods and procedures, the way they work and promote the game, their inability to look beyond two feet.....just seems as if they are trying their best to disgrace themselves and tarnish the name of the country....and heck they are doing a fantastic job! Every body makes mistakes, every body makes bad decision but at least i expected them to know the basic facts at how to handle such an important issue...but hey i might have been asking for just a bit too much!

[yoda]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif

You lot were not happy even when they were handed the 2 and 1 year ban

Wrong. Either you weren't on this board then or you did read the threads.

[MundaPakistani]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif

You lot were not happy even when they were handed the 2 and 1 year ban

Wrong. Either you weren't on this board then or you did read the threads.

I read quite a few posts especially those of 'Dada Rocks'.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif go read those posts i said it's all charade and boy do i know these thugs inside out.. :lmao:

[Gaurav]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif DRAMA QUEEN----> PCB

[beetle]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif latest on the drama....... WADA steps in.....will talk to icc about pcb's U turn.

[beetle]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif PCB panel decision unreasonable: WADA Reuters Posted online: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 at 1146 hours IST Updated: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 at 1337 hours IST Rawalpindi, December 6: The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) is to take up the doping cases of Pakistani fast bowlers Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif with the International Cricket Council (ICC). The two players were exonerated of doping charges on Tuesday by a Pakistani appeals tribunal. A WADA official told a Pakistani newspaper that the appeals commission's decision appeared to be unreasonable and a violation of the international anti-doping code. "We have decided to take up the matter with the ICC. My personal view is that the decision taken by the Pakistan Cricket Board panel is unreasonable," WADA official Fredevic Donze was quoted as saying in The News on Wednesday. The tribunal, headed by a former judge, cleared both players of doping offences and lifted their bans after finding them not guilty of taking the banned substance nandrolone intentionally. Donze said WADA would first look into the decision of the tribunal before making further comments. He said WADA had asked its representative in Pakistan to obtain copies of the judgement by the appeals tribunal. Shoaib and Asif were banned for two years and one year respectively last month by a drug inquiry tribunal. They were called back from the Champions Trophy in India after testing positive. PCB chairman Nasim Ashraf is due to attend a meeting of the ICC board in Dubai this week, and PCB sources said they were expecting a strong reaction to the Shoaib and Asif cases from the other member countries, particularly Australia. Australia has been criticised by WADA over its handling of Shane Warne's suspension in 2003 for taking diuretics. Meanwhile, Dr Danish Zaheer, a member of the drug tribunal that lifted doping bans on fast bowlers Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif, has said Pakistan Cricket Board should conduct fresh dope tests on the duo before allowing them to play international cricket again.

[beetle]

Re: Ban Revoked for Dopey Shoby and Asif http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rurl=http://www.expressindia.com/cricket/fulleistory.php?content_id=77823&headline=WADA~says~PCB~panel~decision~on~Shoaib~unreasonable,~to~take~up~case~with~ICC