adi B Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 quality game?dont think so..both were decent not great in any means.after losing the 1st set,all nadal did was play the ball to fed`s backhand (his biggest weakness nowadays) and nothing else,fed became more error prone,mentally disturbed by this and lost his way again.. this tactic by nadal wont work on other players considering how strong double handed backhand players have got. good on isner and berdych,they deserved the wins against djoko and murray. this is why i love cinci,fast courts give a chance to the big hitters to showcase their talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Federer not even 40% of the player he was in 2005-2006..He lacks the power especially on the FH side and his BH breaks down easily Not that form of 2005-06 would have helped Federer much. In year 2005 and 2006, Federer played Nadal 7 times and lost 5 times. Federer already exceeded many expectations by taking a set off Nadal. I think that's best Federe fans could have hoped for, given his age and form he has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bones Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 good on isner and berdych,they deserved the wins against djoko and murray. this is why i love cinci,fast courts give a chance to the big hitters to showcase their talent I agree we should have all speeds of courts, fast and slow and in the middle. Most of the courts are now on the slower side. I am glad they are because in the 90s and early 00's the tennis we saw was so boring. I mean matches between the likes of Ivanesevic, Rafter, Phillipousis were just ace after ace after ace. If any weren't an ace, you'd see an unreturned servesand in the rare instance you'd get a short rally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bones Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 The bookies still have Murray and Djokovic as favourites for the US Open, I can see why, you'd still always fancy the big guns in a 5 set match anywhere in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Not that form of 2005-06 would have helped Federer much. In year 2005 and 2006, Federer played Nadal 7 times and lost 5 times. Federer already exceeded many expectations by taking a set off Nadal. I think that's best Federe fans could have hoped for, given his age and form he has been. most of the matches were on clay..agree with the 2nd para,fed would hope to avoid nadal at the USO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Not that form of 2005-06 would have helped Federer much. In year 2005 and 2006, Federer played Nadal 7 times and lost 5 times. Federer already exceeded many expectations by taking a set off Nadal. I think that's best Federe fans could have hoped for, given his age and form he has been. Nadal never played Federer in Cinti during his best years, so all this is best conjecture. Federer's power and movement during that time was infinitely superior. During his peak years,Federer had the better of Nadal on non clay surfaces and Nadal met him 80% of the time on clay on which he was much better. On non clay in 2006, it was 2-1 to Federer, 1-0 to Federer in 2005,2-0 to Federer in 2007. Anyways, this topic has been beaten to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 quality game?dont think so..both were decent not great in any means.after losing the 1st set,all nadal did was play the ball to fed`s backhand (his biggest weakness nowadays) and nothing else,fed became more error prone,mentally disturbed by this and lost his way again.. this tactic by nadal wont work on other players considering how strong double handed backhand players have got. good on isner and berdych,they deserved the wins against djoko and murray. this is why i love cinci,fast courts give a chance to the big hitters to showcase their talent One reason why federer played so well on Nadal during 04-07 was because he could hit the DTL backhand really well.That changed the dynamics of the Nadal hitting high-Federer weak CC response. You can see this strategy that Federer implemented in the 2006 TMC .Off course he has to play low percentage tennis since the DTL requires high skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Nadal never played Federer in Cinti during his best years, so all this is best conjecture. Federer's power and movement during that time was infinitely superior. During his peak years,Federer had the better of Nadal on non clay surfaces and Nadal met him 80% of the time on clay on which he was much better. On non clay in 2006, it was 2-1 to Federer, 1-0 to Federer in 2005,2-0 to Federer in 2007. Anyways, this topic has been beaten to death. 3 of their first 4 of meetings were on Hard court and Nadal won 2 of those. And also keep in mind that Nadal was a teenager kid when he was doing all this to Federer. Imgaine what would have been Federer's record if he had a grown up Nadal to compete with during his (supposed to be) golden run of 2004-06. Yes, topic has been debated through all angles that's why argument that Federer of 05-06 would have done any better against today's Nadal surprises me. With today's loss, even on non-clay surfaces they have become even. On clay Nadal always toyed with him anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 3 of their first 4 of meetings were on Hard court and Nadal won 2 of those. And also keep in mind that Nadal was a teenager kid when he was doing all this to Federer. Imgaine what would have been Federer's record if he had a grown up Nadal to compete with during his (supposed to be) golden run of 2004-06. Yes, topic has been debated through all angles that's why argument that Federer of 05-06 would have done any better against today's Nadal surprises me. With today's loss, even on non-clay surfaces they have become even. On clay Nadal always toyed with him anyways. I simply posted the H2H results of Fed between 05-07. The rest is conjecture. Anyways I am done arguing on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I simply posted the H2H results of Fed between 05-07. The rest is conjecture. Anyways I am done arguing on this topic. and easily left out 2004 :cantstop:. Anyways, numbers are there for everybody to see. No need for arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 One reason why federer played so well on Nadal during 04-07 was because he could hit the DTL backhand really well.That changed the dynamics of the Nadal hitting high-Federer weak CC response. You can see this strategy that Federer implemented in the 2006 TMC .Off course he has to play low percentage tennis since the DTL requires high skill. i was about to mention that TMC match.fed during his prime was a good athlete,had immensely great foot movement,covered the court so well and most importantly a sensational base line player.since 08 his game went downwards but still was more than competitive, after USO loss in 2011 fed gave it his all,had motivation for the 300 weeks #1 and another GS..he achieved those and went totally down since cinci last year.. does he have any motivations left?he has to find one ,something like one last USO or 18th GS to get back to form,else he`s just another lad nowadays on the tour ..please fed,get ur mojo back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 and easily left out 2004 :cantstop:. Anyways, numbers are there for everybody to see. No need for arguments. true,lets agree to disagree. 17>12 :winky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 true,lets agree to disagree. 17>12 :winky: How about 21 - 10 :winky: :winky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bones Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 How about 21 - 10 :winky: :winky: When all is done and dusted, one number will seperate a player from his peers. GS wins. At the moment Fed is top of the pile and not only that, but his range of GS means he is the more complete player. Nadal's GS is heavily to the specialist surface player and not the complete player. Same applies to Djokovic. I'm not the biggest Fed fan, heck I got bored of him winning so much a few years ago, but there's absolutely no doubt he is the most gifted tennis player of all time and right now still the greatest tennis player of all time. Nadal has a chance at surpassing Fed, I would say a 20% chance, if he does, he will go down as the greatest player of all time, but Fed will remain the most gifted. Nadal needs 6 more GS to surpass Fed, given his style of play you can rule out any Wimbledon titles. So he's need 6 GS from HC and clay. Assuming he wins another 2 RG, he would need to muster up 4 GS at AO or USO. Realistically I don't think at 27, he can expect to do that. So until Nadal wins those 6 GS or even 5 to match Fed, can you and other Nadal fans please shut it? There's daylight between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Some good competitive tennis is going on in Cincinnati final. Nadal won first set in tie-breaker. Second set in tie breaker as wel. At the moment Nadal leading 2-0 in tie breaker. Looks like Isner has served really well in this match. Didn't even face a single break point. Nadal faced three but saved all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Nadal wins 7-6,7-6. :two_thumbs_up: Some amazing form Nadal displayed on hard court since he has returned from injury. Played three masters and won all three. Total 7 masters till now. Nadal won 5 and lost in the final of 6th one. Any idea what is maximum number of masters a player won in the season? I am sure Djoko would have won a lot when he had that phenomenal run in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bones Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Nadal wins 7-6,7-6. :two_thumbs_up: Some amazing form Nadal displayed on hard court since he has returned from injury. Played three masters and won all three. Total 7 masters till now. Nadal won 5 and lost in the final of 6th one. Any idea what is maximum number of masters a player won in the season? I am sure Djoko would have won a lot when he had that phenomenal run in 2011. So no player was able to handle Isner's serving on the fast Cincy courts, seems like it was kicking up much more than normal. Nadal able to take advantage of an exhausted Isner, who's had 2 very tough matches in the two days before. Same happened at IW this year when Del Potro was shattered for the final after 2 very tough matches. Nadal has displayed some good form on the hard courts, but you'd have to say the other top guys have been very poor lately. Interesting to see what happens at NY, but I'd still expect Murray and Djokovic to make it to the finals if they're in different halves. Nadal has been very aggressive lately, which has served him very well, let's see if he can execute his plans at the main event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 So no player was able to handle Isner's serving on the fast Cincy courts, seems like it was kicking up much more than normal. Nadal able to take advantage of an exhausted Isner, who's had 2 very tough matches in the two days before. Same happened at IW this year when Del Potro was shattered for the final after 2 very tough matches. Nadal has displayed some good form on the hard courts, but you'd have to say the other top guys have been very poor lately. Interesting to see what happens at NY, but I'd still expect Murray and Djokovic to make it to the finals if they're in different halves. Nadal has been very aggressive lately, which has served him very well, let's see if he can execute his plans at the main event. They could very well be in same half. Nadal has risen to 2nd ranking following his back to back victories. Murray 3 and probably Ferrer would be 4th. Federer has fallen to 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bones Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Nadal is a disgusting player, I mean he's the only player I ever saw that picks his shorts/underwear before every single point, does he not shower properly? Does he have fleas down there? Pure filth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Roger :cheer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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