Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Jay]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes both whom who cant find a place in their teams t20 side forget competing with kohli t20i record 

and nowhere close to kohli in ODI 

i meant for tests. for t20 right now  ? i would still put both above kohli as of now. current kohli is finished. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/12/2022 at 7:56 AM, Jay said:

its not. but i am just saying, i would rather try out young talents with upside over older proven failures. what is wrong with that??? 

i dont understand you. 

its like trying to milk a dead cow. why bother ? 

samad's career is not over yes. he may turn it around but so far he has struggled. 

 

tripathi, verma etc are not as bad as iyer vs short ball. then go with samson, bharat and rinku. rinku looked solid vs short ball. 

bharat ?? who cant even make it to any ipl side XI ?

[Jay]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

bharat ?? who cant even make it to any ipl side XI ?

he plays short ball well. you said iyer has short ball issue. bharat is pretty good vs short ball.

 

[Forward Defence]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Bumrah eco in modern say cricket is damn bloody good and with that avg

Shami ohh boy , he really was hard done by previous management 

Bumrah's average after his exploits today is an even more impressive 24.3

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/12/2022 at 7:59 AM, Jay said:

he plays short ball well. you said iyer has short ball issue. bharat is pretty good vs short ball.

 

sirf short ball khelni hai ?

[Jay]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

bharat ?? who cant even make it to any ipl side XI ?

the way you post, it seems like you dont want to see any talent come up whatsoever. should we keep playing with old guard till they choose to retire? 

how will our talents improve without game time. you dont even want to give them chances. cmon dude wtf lol. 

[Jay]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

sirf short ball khelni hai ?

he is pretty good all round. i dont see the problem with him. good vs spin and bounce. moving ball all of them struggle. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/12/2022 at 8:00 AM, Forward Defence said:

Bumrah's average after his exploits today is an even more impressive 24.3

with right kind of bowlers around his avg will improve , always believe wrong support bowler affect avg 

This TM is looking at attacking bowlers now in ODI- Shami, prasidh, siraj...good to see. No more bhuvi (whos is being played in his right format )

hopefully he starts to bowl fuller now with new ball

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, Forward Defence said:

Hardik has to get back to prime bowling fitness before entertaining any thoughts of a test comeback. He is indispensable in the white ball formats and selectors should think twice before getting him back for tests.

 

 

Hardik must work very hard on his bowling fitness.

 

He hits the deck hard and gets bounce ... gets outswing in favourable conditions ... can be a much more complete 4th pacer for tests and a good batsman at 7 or 8.

Edited July 12, 2022 by express bowling

[Jay]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

with right kind of bowlers around his avg will improve , always believe wrong support bowler affect avg 

This TM is looking at attacking bowlers now in ODI- Shami, prasidh, siraj...good to see. No more bhuvi (whos is being played in his right format )

hopefully he starts to bowl fuller now with new ball

yes this is correct in tests too. with ishant he averaged under 21. without its like 25. 

we badly need one bounce based bowler like prasidh to complement bumrah and shami in tests. ideally shami should be phased out. we need some new blood there too. 

yes shami is great but he has slowed down this year. we need to be secure for future is all i am saying so dont start this again. prasidh, kuldeep, siraj if he finds form again, tyagi, porel, saini all should be trying to get that spot. 

[Forward Defence]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

with right kind of bowlers around his avg will improve , always believe wrong support bowler affect avg 

This TM is looking at attacking bowlers now in ODI- Shami, prasidh, siraj...good to see. No more bhuvi (whos is being played in his right format )

hopefully he starts to bowl fuller now with new ball

Nice to see Shami back in the Odi reckoning. Hasn't got his well deserved due in this format. Should have made the team in that godforsaken semifinal.

Has to keep bowling well though. 

[Jay]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Hardik must work on his bowling fitness very hard.

 

He hits the deck hard and gets bounce ... gets outswing in favourable conditions ... can be a much more complete 4th pacer for tests and a good batsman at 7 or 8.

what about mavi. yes as a bowler alone he isnt all that yet. but he can bat from what i have seen. he can be a good support bowler at 8? hangerakar is another one. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/12/2022 at 8:05 AM, Forward Defence said:

Nice to see Shami back in the Odi reckoning. Hasn't got his well deserved due in this format. Should have made the team in that godforsaken semifinal.

Has to keep bowling well though. 

exactly he actually has been the most attacking bowler for us in ODI 

No one minds a bit of extra leaked runs if wkts come for that , neither he leaked like umesh use too 

[Jay]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

exactly he actually has been the most attacking bowler for us in ODI 

No one minds a bit of extra leaked runs if wkts come for that , neither he leaked like umesh use too 

umesh did well in 2015 WC but post 2017 he got dropped. cant remember what happened. 

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

what about mavi. yes as a bowler alone he isnt all that yet. but he can bat from what i have seen. he can be a good support bowler at 8? hangerakar is another one. 

 

I don't know whether Mavi is good enough to bat at 8 in test matches. 

 

Hangargekar is still far away from test debut.

[Forward Defence]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Hardik must work on his bowling fitness very hard.

 

He hits the deck hard and gets bounce ... gets outswing in favourable conditions ... can be a much more complete 4th pacer for tests and a good batsman at 7 or 8.

True. He demonstrated that at Nottingham in 2018. Wish he gets back to prime fitness.

Ajay Jadeja and Manjrekar in commentary suggested that Hardik shouldn't be bowled in Odis to keep him fit for the T20 WC. That sounded quite silly but there is still some lingering anxiety about his bowling fitness.

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Forward Defence said:

 

Ajay Jadeja and Manjrekar in commentary suggested that Hardik shouldn't be bowled in Odis to keep him fit for the T20 WC. That sounded quite silly but there is still some lingering anxiety about his bowling fitness.

 

 

ATG pace bowlers all claim that the best way to gain bowling fitness is to bowl regularly.

 

I think he should do the same. Not too much workload but regular bowling in matches. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Forward Defence said:

True. He demonstrated that at Nottingham in 2018. Wish he gets back to prime fitness.

Ajay Jadeja and Manjrekar in commentary suggested that Hardik shouldn't be bowled in Odis to keep him fit for the T20 WC. That sounded quite silly but there is still some lingering anxiety about his bowling fitness.

Yea so he all of sudden bowls 10 over in high pressure match situation which his body isnt use to  and due to that get injured.

Genius plan ......dono ko 100 kodde 

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, Jay said:

umesh did well in 2015 WC but post 2017 he got dropped. cant remember what happened. 

So did mohit sharma 

No captain will back a bowler who cant bowl  to his fields. 

 

[Jay]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So did mohit sharma 

No captain will back a bowler who cant bowl  to his fields. 

 

Yea but Dhoni was a poor captain for pacers.