Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Suhaan]

@express bowling
 @Mosher
  What was Naseem bowling at?

Saw quite at 130s,only Rauf looked rapid after all the hype over phaaasht attaayk

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

@express bowling
 @Mosher
  What was Naseem bowling at?

Saw quite at 130s,only Rauf looked rapid after all the hype over phaaasht attaayk

 

 

Naseem bowled 138 k to 143 k mostly.  One at 144 k.

 

Got to agree with you.  Only Rauf looked quick among Pakistanis. (  Rauf looked really rapid )

 

Naseem and Shaheen hardly made the ball fly even on this pitch. 

[express bowling]

49 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

@express bowling
 @Mosher
  What was Naseem bowling at?

Saw quite at 130s,only Rauf looked rapid after all the hype over phaaasht attaayk

 

 

Harsha went on and on about Naseem's pace of early 140s but no mention when Hardik bowled upto 145 k.

 

I really don't understand this approach of some Indian commentators. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

 

Naseem bowled 138 k to 143 k mostly.  One at 144 k.

 

Got to agree with you.  Only Rauf looked quick among Pakistanis. (  Rauf looked really rapid )

 

Naseem and Shaheen hardly made the ball fly even on this pitch. 

Our boy Arshdeep also bowled over 140 later , fastest of 142 that i saw

Yes his average pace is higher than Arsh but Arshdeep to can bowl over 135 in t20s,might have seeked swing earlier, so could understand

[Suhaan]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

 

Harshal went on and on about Naseem's pace of early 140s but no mention when Hardik bowled upto 145 k.

 

I really don't understand this approach of some Indian commentators. 

He is a dog who don't see what capability our boys have

Moron just talks about irrelevant things,no cricket in his conversation with others

Pbig player worshipping is what he's good at,many others Akash Chopra looked like dressed up for Eid not Diwali

[Need4Speed]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Harshal went on and on about Naseem's pace of early 140s but no mention when Hardik bowled upto 145 k.

 

I really don't understand this approach of some Indian commentators. 

The only reason is..People always find neighbors wife hotter than their own..lol

[singhvivek141]

17 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

@express bowling
 @Mosher
  What was Naseem bowling at?

Saw quite at 130s,only Rauf looked rapid after all the hype over phaaasht attaayk

Naseem, Shaheen all were in 135-142 range mostly...Shami and Arshdeep in his later spells matched with them, while Hardik was faster. Shaheen was trundling by his final over.

 

Rauf is Pakistan's ceiling, they don't have a bowler who is faster than him.

 

Indian ceiling with pace is Umran and Tyagi...Umran is faster while Kartik will go neck to neck with Rauf.

 

[Need4Speed]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Naseem, Shaheen all were in 135-142 range mostly...Shami and Arshdeep in his later spells matched with them, while Hardik was faster. Shaheen was trundling by his final over.

 

Rauf is Pakistan's ceiling, they don't have a bowler who is faster than him.

 

Indian ceiling with pace is Umran and Tyagi...Umran is faster while Kartik will go neck to neck with Rauf.

 

And Kartik Tyagi will be more deadly than Rauf once he gets settled

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, Need4Speed said:

And Kartik Tyagi will be more deadly than Rauf once he gets settled

Yes, Tyagi is so much more than just pure pace...a complete package.

 

I have hopes with Rajvardhan Hangargekar as well, he can also go in 150's considering his build and run-up. Plus can be a hard hitter.

 

Tyagi, Mohsin, Umran, Rajvardhan, Nagrkoti, Kuldeep Sen are our fastest pacers...along with Bumrah, Shami, Siraj and Hardik

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Yes, Tyagi is so much more than just pure pace...a complete package.

 

I have hopes with Rajvardhan Hangargekar as well, he can also go in 150's considering his build and run-up. Plus can be a hard hitter.

 

Tyagi, Mohsin, Umran, Rajvardhan, Nagrkoti, Kuldeep Sen are our fastest pacers...along with Bumrah, Shami, Siraj and Hardik

Rajvardhan peak at the moment seems 145

[singhvivek141]

22 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Rajvardhan peak at the moment seems 145

For the moment, yes, but he is built like Umesh Yadav...strong and tall.

If manage injury he can hurl deliveries at a rapid pace, plus only 19-20 years old.

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

On this pitch he would have done well.

Yes especially against Pakistan,i feel he should have been there, maybe for psyops

[vishalvirsingh]

14 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Naseem bowled 138 k to 143 k mostly.  One at 144 k.

 

Got to agree with you.  Only Rauf looked quick among Pakistanis. (  Rauf looked really rapid )

 

Naseem and Shaheen hardly made the ball fly even on this pitch. 

had naseem and shaheen  bowled 145K regularly and accurately , they would have managed to break kohli and hardik partnership. naseem got 2 batsman , indicated that the ball was swinging . rauf could get our best batsman out because of good length and sheer pace as surya hit but the ball did not flow above the keeper ..surya plays that shot , just that he could not execute it well.

 

Mistakes by PAK-

mistake 1- if u make them- kohli and hardik settle down, you would loose for sure. hardik was not looking in best form else he would have made india win earlier. he was not connecting very well.

 

mistake 2- if u ask a left arm spinner to bowl last over ask him to bowl faster balls with his usual action - it looks babbar and others asked him to take run up and become a medium pacer , he did his best but that was the reason that he bowled a NO BALL above waist. 

 

what he had to do was to bowl yorker length balls at the 8th stump and fill the off side with so many fielders. if the batsman connected and hit him on the leg - so be it. had batsman hit on offside they would not have hit a 4 , they had to try for a 6 only and chance of getting OUT.

i think planning for last over was messed up. giving 3 runs off a ball hitting stumps and 3 runs as bye indicated there fielders had lost their mojo. 1 run or max 2 runs could have been possible.

why was he bowling outside leg stump. karthik went to sweep it and missed n got out..ashwin was smarter as soon as he saw the ball going towards leg stump , he ensured to let it go n get the extra run.

to bowl a good last over is a very tough JOB- specifically if they are bowling to hardik, kohli and even karthik.

 

..only bowlers who have some experience can do it well.

[vishalvirsingh]

we urgently need to replace harshal with either Siraj OR Umran or Kuldeep Sen as it seems only fast pitches will be there and more than 1 spinner will not be required. even 1 spinner can be replaced by a pacer.

 

they already have siraj /shardul in back up...put them in 15. it can easily be done. see our attack then.

[Lone Wolf]

15 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Haris Rauf always looked a bit like bumrah to me, although action and runup is a bit different.

 

Now Hasan Mahmud of Bangladesh also reminds me of bumrah.Has hyper extension and sort of similar front on action with front foot lock.Speed is 130-140 ,height is similar as well.

Hasan Mahmud may trouble us....  Slippery pace.  Has a quick short ball & has weird hyperextension & also gets extra kick. 

Looks like very hard to put away. 

Facing Bangla in Adelaide oval too.   He is BD'a hidden weapon. 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

6 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Piece on the mcg pitch and historical data

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/t20-world-cup-2022-teams-recalibrate-plans-as-early-season-conditions-turn-mcg-into-pace-paradise-1341551

 

 

MCG since 2020 has been a pacer's paradise....  I said this prior to the tourney...  People were stuck in 2015 wC MCG when ball gripped...  And wanted Harshal to play. 

Adelaide is also super quick under lights in Australia. 

[express bowling]

44 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Hasan Mahmud may trouble us....  Slippery pace.  Has a quick short ball & has weird hyperextension & also gets extra kick. 

Looks like very hard to put away. 

Facing Bangla in Adelaide oval too.   He is BD'a hidden weapon. 

 

 

 

So BD has got a slower Bumrah and we are missing our faster Bumrah. 

 

And Taskin is sharp and hits the deck hard. Got 4 wickets vs Holland.

[the don]

13 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

had naseem and shaheen  bowled 145K regularly and accurately , they would have managed to break kohli and hardik partnership. naseem got 2 batsman , indicated that the ball was swinging . rauf could get our best batsman out because of good length and sheer pace as surya hit but the ball did not flow above the keeper ..surya plays that shot , just that he could not execute it well.

 

Mistakes by PAK-

mistake 1- if u make them- kohli and hardik settle down, you would loose for sure. hardik was not looking in best form else he would have made india win earlier. he was not connecting very well.

 

mistake 2- if u ask a left arm spinner to bowl last over ask him to bowl faster balls with his usual action - it looks babbar and others asked him to take run up and become a medium pacer , he did his best but that was the reason that he bowled a NO BALL above waist. 

 

what he had to do was to bowl yorker length balls at the 8th stump and fill the off side with so many fielders. if the batsman connected and hit him on the leg - so be it. had batsman hit on offside they would not have hit a 4 , they had to try for a 6 only and chance of getting OUT.

i think planning for last over was messed up. giving 3 runs off a ball hitting stumps and 3 runs as bye indicated there fielders had lost their mojo. 1 run or max 2 runs could have been possible.

why was he bowling outside leg stump. karthik went to sweep it and missed n got out..ashwin was smarter as soon as he saw the ball going towards leg stump , he ensured to let it go n get the extra run.

to bowl a good last over is a very tough JOB- specifically if they are bowling to hardik, kohli and even karthik.

 

..only bowlers who have some experience can do it well.

Shaheen is not fit yet and because of being a bowler short Pakistan were forced to bowl spin at pandya and kohli, fatal mistake. 

[the don]

I think Naseem is the best young fast bowler in world cricket atm. 
The thing i love about him is he keeps his average pace always around 140 kph even when he is ambling and keeping it tight.

His new ball skill adds a new dimension to the Pakistani attacks.

Lowkey want to see hasnain at perth with the new ball.

[the don]

Massive pace and bounve in perth.

cummins has lost so much pace, bowling slower than hazlewood.