Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Rightarmfast]

2 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

My point is 130-140 ain't slow,I don't know why people don't want to accept it,< 130 you can call it slow.

Anything below 136/137 is not going to have much effect. Unless the bowler is mixing it with 140+ balls, 135ish will be cannon fodder. When the batsman is under no pressure, they will murder the bowler. 

 

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

 

 

Here is bumrah under 140k at his quickest

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Check Lockie 145k

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135-140 is quick enough pace. Someone like Steyn mostly bowled this pace in test but he had 5th gear where he could bowl a whole spell of 140-150. He knew when bowl line length with swing and when quick. It's important to have that 5th gear.

[express bowling]

24 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

135-140 is quick enough pace. 

 

Someone averaging 137 k to 139 k range invariably bowls a good % of deliveries in the 140 to 145 k range or higher. 

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

 

 

Here is bumrah under 140k at his quickest

 

 

 

 

Check Lockie 145k

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Trent Boult is faster than Umesh and almost toe to toe with Rabada, who would have though that ? I have not seen Hadlee live & Bond played very little...I can surely say he is the best fast bowler from NZ after Sir Richard Hadlee, criminally underrated.

 

Hazelwood as quick as Shami is surprising tbh. This shows that though Hazelwood don't bowl 145+ but is able to sustain his pace day in & day out. 

Bumrah averaging almost 140k in Tests is fast stuff 

 

Umesh to Lahiru are in fast medium category...from Cummins to Start are in fast category (rounding off the speeds).

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Trent Boult is faster than Umesh and almost toe to toe with Rabada, who would have though that ? I have not seen Hadlee live & Bond played very little...I can surely say he is the best fast bowler from NZ after Sir Richard Hadlee, criminally underrated.

 

Hazelwood as quick as Shami is surprising tbh. This shows that though Hazelwood don't bowl 145+ but is able to sustain his pace day in & day out. 

Bumrah averaging almost 140k in Tests is fast stuff 

 

Umesh to Lahiru are in fast medium category...from Cummins to Start are in fast category (rounding off the speeds).

 

Umesh cut down pace in late 2017.

 

He averaged 138 k to 144 k in different innings from 2011 to mid 2017

[Suhaan]

38 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Trent Boult is faster than Umesh and almost toe to toe with Rabada, who would have though that ? I have not seen Hadlee live & Bond played very little...I can surely say he is the best fast bowler from NZ after Sir Richard Hadlee, criminally underrated.

 

Hazelwood as quick as Shami is surprising tbh. This shows that though Hazelwood don't bowl 145+ but is able to sustain his pace day in & day out. 

Bumrah averaging almost 140k in Tests is fast stuff 

 

Umesh to Lahiru are in fast medium category...from Cummins to Start are in fast category (rounding off the speeds).

Umesh slowed down 2017 onwards

Till 2017 he was very quick,faster than Cummins I would say in that period

[Lone Wolf]

@express bowling @Mosher @singhvivek141

What is the pace attack you like to see in these Three 4 day games. 

My pick is Tyagi Harshit Mayank & a Fast bowling A/R Raj Bawa. 

 

[Need4Speed]

18 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

Yorkers don't last that long,we have seen likes of kaul, nattu,arshdeep before

Yorkers shudnt be only speciality..it needs to be variety..block hole yorkers..wide yorkers..slower bowls..wide slower balls…dipping full tosses...bouncers…slower bouncers etc..

one needs to have all the varieties to be a successful T20 pacer..

[Need4Speed]

18 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

He is not a 138-140kph pacer...even Bhuvi has bowled 144k in T20's but that's not his natural pace.

 

Last year everyone here (including me) was going ga ga over Arshdeep's yorkers and pin point accuracy in death while hitting 140k..one year down the line & Arshdeep is just spraying the ball everywhere.

 

Mukesh in SMAT was going for 30 runs in 2 overs, 32 runs in 3 overs...so it's not like he has magically found a mojo. He got his yorkers right and the full tosses Tim David missed to strike...but based on one game we can't decide if he can partner Bumrah as main bowler. Tyagi has defended 4 runs in an IPL by hitting pin point yorkers...everyday isn't the same. You have to see in multiple situations & scenarios.

I agree but we have to give credit where its due..he bowled well..it needs to be seen how he bowls in next 4 matches..

This is going to high scoring series..with Maxie..Head to feature as well.. if he bowks well overall..you cant just leave him out of the squad..

his stocks are rising as Arshdeep’s stocks are coming down..

[Need4Speed]

18 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

In India, once a player becomes a part of the inner coterie, he plays all or multiple formats unless he is a gross LOI misfit like Pujara. 

 

Mukesh was chosen for all formats earlier this year. 

Thats stupidity on selectors part..

we need to find a bowler who can partner Bumrah in T20s..

Shami has yorkers and wkt taking capability upfront but under the pump he can be taken for plenty..same with Siraj..

peak Bhuvi was a good partber for Boom but he is far away from it..

Arshdeep shiwed intitial promise but currently losing track..

I would like Tyagis..Umrans Rana’s and Mayank to be groomed but practically they are not near to the wcup squad..

unless they or someone has blockbuster IPL..we all know..they wont be selected..

 

If Mukesh Kr dont perform well in remaining T20s..I will criticize him too..

[Mosher]

12 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

@express bowling @Mosher @singhvivek141

What is the pace attack you like to see in these Three 4 day games. 

My pick is Tyagi Harshit Mayank & a Fast bowling A/R Raj Bawa. 

 

For 4 day game I would like to see Sen also along with these guys.

[Mosher]

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Edited November 25, 2023 by Mosher

[Mosher]

12 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

@express bowling @Mosher @singhvivek141

What is the pace attack you like to see in these Three 4 day games. 

My pick is Tyagi Harshit Mayank & a Fast bowling A/R Raj Bawa. 

 

 

For 4 day game I would like to see Sen also along with these guys.

[singhvivek141]

13 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

@express bowling @Mosher @singhvivek141

What is the pace attack you like to see in these Three 4 day games. 

My pick is Tyagi Harshit Mayank & a Fast bowling A/R Raj Bawa. 

 

 

 

Same as yours + Kuldeep Sen. 

In batting Easwaran, Jaiswal, Gill, Rasheed, Sarfaraz, Upendra Yadav (wk) should play.

 

But if "seniors" are in consideration then Pujara, Rahane, Umesh, Ashwin, Axar, Unadkut etc will eat up the slots.

Edited November 25, 2023 by singhvivek141

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Same as yours + Kuldeep Sen. 

In batting Easwaran, Jaiswal, Gill, Rasheed, Sarfaraz, Upendra Yadav (wk) should play.

 

But if "seniors" are in consideration then Pujara, Rahane, Umesh, Ashwin, Axar, Unadkut etc will eat up the slots.

Have a feeling Mukesh Undercutter & maybe Umesh or Saini will be picked based on eggsperince completely nullifying the point of these crucial A tour games.  Hahane Kela will take up batting spots. 

[express bowling]

15 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

@express bowling @Mosher @singhvivek141

What is the pace attack you like to see in these Three 4 day games. 

My pick is Tyagi Harshit Mayank & a Fast bowling A/R Raj Bawa. 

 

 

 

For 4 day games ....

 

Harshit

Sen

Prasidh

Kaverappa ... medium pacer quota

 

[  Would have loved to have Mayank Y, but he has not played much FCC yet ]

 

For 50 over games, if any ....

 

Mayank Y

Harshit

Sen

Kaverappa ... medium pacer quota 

Bawa .. A/R 

 

[Need4Speed]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

For 4 day games ....

 

Harshit

Sen

Prasidh

Kaverappa ... medium pacer quota

 

[  Would have loved to have Mayank Y, but he has not played much FCC yet ]

 

For 50 over games, if any ....

 

Mayank Y

Harshit

Sen

Kaverappa ... medium pacer quota 

Bawa .. A/R 

 

Bcci doesnt have a vision to groom Bawa as AR…wo abhi bahut duur hai selection se…

Edited November 25, 2023 by Need4Speed

[Lone Wolf]

16 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

Bcci doesnt have a vision to groom Bawa as AR…wo abhi bahut duur hai selection se…

No sporting body can be this dumb...  Then they say India doesn't produce pace bowling all rounders lol..  Jo hain unko groom nahi karte ye

Selectors have no idea about exciting talent in domestic cricket... They pick based on eggsperince...  Good nature,  gentle people with hardcore Ranji grind & past their peak players. 

No new pacer has been groomed Since Siraj who used to play in A sides in 2017 of all people 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Lone Wolf

[singhvivek141]

Raj Bawa 4-25 vs J&K 

Deepak Chahar 6-41 vs Gujrat 

Tyagi & Mayank 1 wkt so far. 

Harshal Patel 4-49 vs Bihar 

 

No Harshit, No Hangargekar, No Kuldeep Sen 

Edited November 25, 2023 by singhvivek141

[rkt.india]

T20 cricket is least favorable to genuine quicks as the ball flies of the edges on small grounds.