Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Lone Wolf]

If Agarkar & Chomu Dravid has any brains...  They will add Harshit Rana into ODI/T20 squad.  He anyways will be in SA.  But more chances of Harshal & Boobie to make a comeback than this lol

 

[Chamsi]

Talking about spinners,

 

wouldn't it be a great idea to have players Akshay Karnewar and Kumar Kartikeya in the first XI.

One is an ambidextrous finger spinner and the other is SLA/Chinaman.

 

I think it would make, for a hell of a spin twin.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Chamsi

[harpicP]

In India pitches don't suit express pacers. So it's understandable they want bowlers who offer more control

 

But when harshit mayank etc offer control plus pace at 140 plus then we should give them chances. If they are talking about averages then they have great stats too. 

[Need4Speed]

Whenever I read this thread comments..I keep getting frustrated..due to

the stupidity and lack of vision of selectors..

Edited December 6, 2023 by Need4Speed

[tapandrun]

There is an abundance of  high quality, high potential bowlers in Ind right now. Ind can easily field the fastest bowling attack.

TM and selectors keep selecting sub intnl quality bowlers for no apparent reasons, In last 3/4 years they have not added a single bowler.

 

Ishant is already out, Umesh is also done and do not think Bhumrah and Shami will be available for all the matches owing to injury and fatigue managements.

Ind needs to draft in 3/4 bowlers in ODI and Test. and there are options available :

 

145+ kmph

• Umran
• Mayank Yadav (per domestic speedometer)
• Sen
• Tiyagi (per domestic speedometer)

140+ Kmph

• Rana (has potential go bowl in high 140s)
• Krishna
• Mukesh Choudhary (fitness)
• Simranjeet  (fitness)

Unknown/low potential but could be 140+kmph 

• Ashok Sharma (looked fast and aggressive, was with kkr sometime back)
• Avinash Singh (built-up as 145+ kmph by RCB)
• Nagarkoti
• Vishal (Rajasthan league looked 140kmph)

 

There could be others too

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mosher]

11 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Watch out for this left armer in LOIs...  @express bowling @Mosher

Burger... Speed + swing

 

 

Beautiful bowling action. What's his age?

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, Mosher said:

 

Beautiful bowling action. What's his age?

He has been around...  Looks like a LOI specialist.  Aged 28

[harpicP]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

There is an abundance of  high quality, high potential bowlers in Ind right now. Ind can easily field the fastest bowling attack.

TM and selectors keep selecting sub intnl quality bowlers for no apparent reasons, In last 3/4 years they have not added a single bowler.

 

Ishant is already out, Umesh is also done and do not think Bhumrah and Shami will be available for all the matches owing to injury and fatigue managements.

Ind needs to draft in 3/4 bowlers in ODI and Test. and there are options available :

 

145+ kmph

• Umran
• Mayank Yadav (per domestic speedometer)
• Sen
• Tiyagi (per domestic speedometer)

140+ Kmph

• Rana (has potential go bowl in high 140s)
• Krishna
• Mukesh Choudhary (fitness)
• Simranjeet  (fitness)

Unknown/low potential but could be 140+kmph 

• Ashok Sharma (looked fast and aggressive, was with kkr sometime back)
• Avinash Singh (built-up as 145+ kmph by RCB)
• Nagarkoti
• Vishal (Rajasthan league looked 140kmph)

 

There could be others too

 

 

 

 

 

 

What's that lookalike of umran? He is also rapid. 140 plus but short

[singhvivek141]

20 minutes ago, harpicP said:

What's that lookalike of umran? He is also rapid. 140 plus but short

Avinash Singh Manhas

[vishalvirsingh]

On 12/4/2023 at 12:58 PM, Singh bling said:

It's just practice series for them to try new guys . 

I meant sardar tried out a lot of tricks like Ashwin instead of bowling his best balls.. Yorkers n bouncers... He l try slow bouncer n all his tricks.. he should know each ball in T20 is an event and bowl at his best .. all 24 balls. 

[vishalvirsingh]

On 12/4/2023 at 7:01 PM, rkt.india said:

Arshdeep, Siraj/Shami, Bumrah, Mukesh will be our attack in wc T20.

Prasidh or kuldeep sen or avesh are better than mukesh

[singhvivek141]

35 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Prasidh or kuldeep sen or avesh are better than mukesh

Mediocrity promotes mediocrity....Mukesh is currently blue eyed boy of TM.

 

Paras Mhambrey is happy that he is coaching Mukesh Kumar instead of a Kuldeep Sen.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Mediocrity promotes mediocrity....Mukesh is currently blue eyed boy of TM.

 

Paras Mhambrey is happy that he is coaching Mukesh Kumar instead of a Kuldeep Sen.

 

When India lost the last test series in South Africa less than 2 years ago, Dravid said that SA won because they had taller bowlers who could make better use of the variable bounce of 2 of the pitches in the 2nd innings. 

 

Implication being that we should get tall hit the deck quicks too.

 

While they have included Prasidh, the 2nd one is another shorter pacer, Mukesh, while we already have 3 short and medium height quicks.

 

I don't understand the logic behind this poor planning. 

 

Are they puppets who can't implement what they themselves think of  ??

[singhvivek141]

56 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

When India lost the last test series in South Africa less than 2 years ago, Dravid said that SA won because they had taller bowlers who could make better use of the variable bounce of 2 of the pitches in the 2nd innings. 

 

Implication being that we should get tall hit the deck quicks too.

 

While they have included Prasidh, the 2nd one is another shorter pacer, Mukesh, while we already have 3 short and medium height quicks.

 

I don't understand the logic behind this poor planning. 

 

Are they puppets who can't implement what they themselves think of  ??

The way I see it, I don't think Rahul Dravid or Agarkar are so dumb that they can't understand the conditions in SA. Even Ravi Shastri to some extent has started talking more sense as soon as he is out from the coaching setup.

 

There is something else going on, not sure if there is too much pressure from the franchises or selectors are too scared of failures that they want to adopt safe approach by selecting reserve bowlers who in their eyes are not good enough to challenge the big stars.

 

Continous selection of Jadeja over Axar & Ashwin over Washington hints in that direction. There is no emphasis given to create Hardik's backup, Easwaran was dropped from the setup without playing any game just because he wasnt "good for eyes". Dravid says we don't have tall pacers etc., they all hint to something fishy is happening which we as an honest fans can't understand.

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

When India lost the last test series in South Africa less than 2 years ago, Dravid said that SA won because they had taller bowlers who could make better use of the variable bounce of 2 of the pitches in the 2nd innings. 

 

Implication being that we should get tall hit the deck quicks too.

 

While they have included Prasidh, the 2nd one is another shorter pacer, Mukesh, while we already have 3 short and medium height quicks.

 

I don't understand the logic behind this poor planning. 

 

Are they puppets who can't implement what they themselves think of  ??

Clearly there is something not correct abt. selection. Even the non-selection of SKY for more than 3/4 yrs even after performing in IPLs.

Dravid's statements can not be taken on face value, his lengthy PC does not mean anything. He was sure Jadeja's injury was not serious and he will make it to WC. They were telling Pandya will be back after 2 matches in WC but now learning that he may take longer to fix the injury.

 

There is seriously something else, for sure franchises want their players in Ind team that makes their IPL teams more marketable, gives them socialmedia content to stay relevant. Broadcasters too want superstars to market the series.

 

Additionally IPL is main criteria for selection, Rahane made comeback in the test on the back of IPL.  Only Mukesh Kumar made it to all format Ind team before playing IPL

 

Selectors are giving chances to newer players in meaning less series and then drop them and do not talk about them, Rahul Tripathi is an example, was selected did reasonably ok and then dropped just to be forgotten.

 

Selection of bowlers is all over the place, previously selectors tried to select bowlers depending on conditions for SENA tours - Umesh and Aroon made comeback in Aus series. Ishant was selected for SENA tour first.

 

Do not think they are scared of backlash which is non-existent , they do not do PC for selections, Jurno's are not asking any questions.

If someone see the post-match pcs, clearly jurnos are acting as pr team, they are kind of hype-man. they are putting out words into foreign players mouth too and trying to give them cue, how gr8 certain Ind player is, how good was Ind team. Its v.clear they are not their to ask meaningful question.

 

Akram, Lee and others have quested the selection of sub 140 kmph bowlers but then nothing was considered by TM and selectors.

 

 

There should be something that no-one considering genuine pacer.

 

In t20i who does not know either bowlers have to have variations and should be able to bat and have hitting capabilities, Ind is not selecting the right players

 

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Mediocrity promotes mediocrity....Mukesh is currently blue eyed boy of TM.

 

Paras Mhambrey is happy that he is coaching Mukesh Kumar instead of a Kuldeep Sen.

Any bowler who is being considered for t20I must be able to bat and have hitting capabilities.

 

 

[Need4Speed]

6 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Prasidh or kuldeep sen or avesh are better than mukesh

Prasidh I dont like in t20s anymore..Avesh and Mukesh are just slightly better...best would be if they groom Sen..but these aholes will make sure he is lost..

that guy has height..pace..bounce..yorkers..etc..he should hav ebeen priority#1..but these losers in BCCI are wasting him..

Edited December 6, 2023 by Need4Speed

[singhvivek141]

38 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Any bowler who is being considered for t20I must be able to bat and have hitting capabilities.

Unless the bowler is exceptional, someone like Bumrah is still gold in T20's.

 

Sadly our bowling trio of Mukesh, Arshdeep & Avesh can neither bat nor have big hitting ability...all three are poor fielders as well.

Even Prasidh & Siraj are also dud with bat and an average fielders. 

 

In spin department Kuldeep is decent fielder but very poor with bat for T20's. Bishnoi is just ok with bat but is an agile fielder. Chahal is pukeworthy in both.

[singhvivek141]

3 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

Prasidh I dont like in t20s anymore..Avesh and Mukesh are just slightly better...best would be if they groom Sen..but these aholes will make sure he is lost..

that guy has height..pace..bounce..yorkers..etc..he should hav ebeen priority#1..but these losers in BCCI are wasting him..

Prasidh in T20's can only work as middle over enforcer...he needs cushion at top & specially in death.

[Need4Speed]

6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Prasidh in T20's can only work as middle over enforcer...he needs cushion at top & specially in death.

nowadays..the strageies are so fluid..that teams may attack even in middle overs too..one needs to use brains and variety..tahst where he is struggling..he is wasting his height and pace atleast in T20s