Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

there is a lot of curiosity about where the Indian team is headed with Gambhir as head coach. The former Delhi captain has always backed fast bowler Navdeep Saini to make it big but the latter hasn't really come close to India selection since July 2021. It is now reported that Gambhir is interested in getting Saini back in the team.

 

 

If true, not a good idea IMO.

 

Saini will be 32 in four months.

 

If they want a reasonably experienced tall quick bowler then Sen is a better option. 

 

And Harshit is the obvious choice as the young tall quick. And Mayank when fit. 

 

 

[tapandrun]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

If true, not a good idea IMO.

 

Saini will be 32 in four months.

 

If they want a reasonably experienced tall quick bowler then Sen is a better option. 

 

And Harshit is the obvious choice as the young tall quick. And Mayank when fit. 

 

 

Purely a table-top story, till now Gambhir is not able to get this coaching staff.

 

[Kron]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

If true, not a good idea IMO.

 

Saini will be 32 in four months.

 

If they want a reasonably experienced tall quick bowler then Sen is a better option. 

 

And Harshit is the obvious choice as the young tall quick. And Mayank when fit. 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Purely a table-top story, till now Gambhir is not able to get this coaching staff.

 

Clearly coach has andaa power.

Dravid may be meek and crap but yea seems like decisions come from their overlords. 

 

Gambo hopefully can sort this out. 

[deepdynamo]

Harshit is in squad..must be GG influence. 

 

Glad GG don't rate losers like Avesh and Mukesh.

[express bowling]

Happy with the pace attacks in ODIs and T20Is.

 

Harshit included in ODIs.

 

Avesh, Mukesh out.

 

Akashdeep or Sen in place of Khaleel in ODIs would have been perfect. But so few ODIs before CT. So, can't blame them for not experimenting too much. 

 

 

 

 

[MK55]

I’m loving England’s team selection. Both Gus and Mark are in the side. Stokes is quite vocal about supporting pace too. 

[Mosher]

19 hours ago, MK55 said:

I’m loving England’s team selection. Both Gus and Mark are in the side. Stokes is quite vocal about supporting pace too. 

 

Didn't watch it but Wood's first over today was the fastest by an England bowler at home. Consistently over 150 and fastest of 157k.

 

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fxs36let5kgdd1.jpeg

 

 

Edited July 19, 2024 by Mosher

[tapandrun]

42 minutes ago, Mosher said:

 

Didn't watch it but Wood's first over today was the fastest by an England bowler at home. Consistently over 150 and fastest of 157k.

 

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fxs36let5kgdd1.jpeg

 

 

How is he getting faster and faster every year

[Sgattick10]

Wow Mark Wood is getting quicker with age. At 31-32 bowling 157 kph 

[rkt.india]

22 hours ago, express bowling said:

Happy with the pace attacks in ODIs and T20Is.

 

Harshit included in ODIs.

 

Avesh, Mukesh out.

 

Akashdeep or Sen in place of Khaleel in ODIs would have been perfect. But so few ODIs before CT. So, can't blame them for not experimenting too much. 

 

 

 

 

Sen has just undergone a knee surgery.

[MK55]

2 hours ago, Mosher said:

 

Didn't watch it but Wood's first over today was the fastest by an England bowler at home. Consistently over 150 and fastest of 157k.

 

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fxs36let5kgdd1.jpeg

 

 

157k in test matches is special. I dint watch it too. But just heard the commentators saying that he bowled with great pace and created opportunities. Root dropped a chance.

[tapandrun]

11 minutes ago, MK55 said:

157k in test matches is special. I dint watch it too. But just heard the commentators saying that he bowled with great pace and created opportunities. Root dropped a chance.

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/eng-vs-wi-mark-wood-fastest-test-over-england-bowler-90-miles-156-kmph-9463631/

 

Yes 156. something. bowling at that pace in test is something else and that too in Eng where bowlers generally rely on natural swing.

Other might be bowling fast in T20s but he has been doing this for 3/4 years in test after returning from that injury  

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Mosher said:

 

Didn't watch it but Wood's first over today was the fastest by an England bowler at home. Consistently over 150 and fastest of 157k.

 

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fxs36let5kgdd1.jpeg

 

 

 

 

Bro, what is really heartening is that fast bowlers are able to bowl at these high speeds and at their quickest at age 34 these days, provided they have the will and put in the effort to train.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2024 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Watching Wood bowl now.

 

Bowling 140 to 148 k. Getting regular outswing too. 

 

Despite being so quick, Wood lacks natural bounce. Hits the sweet spot of the bat and rarely the splice. 

 

And that is one of the reasons why he is a high average bowler in tests and ODIs.

 

He should try to attack the stumps more like Waqar did. He had the same issue. 

Edited July 19, 2024 by express bowling

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Watching Wood bowl now.

 

Bowling 140 to 148 k. Getting regular outswing too. 

 

Despite being so quick, Wood lacks natural bounce. Hits the sweet spot of the bat and rarely the splice. 

 

And that is one of the reasons why he is a high average bowler in tests and ODIs.

 

He should try to attack the stumps more like Waqar did. He had the same issue. 

Here's his 156.2 k ball

 

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Here's his 156.2 k ball

 

 

This is a short ball and very very quick.

 

Hence the bounce.

 

But his good length balls at 140 to 150 don't generate as much bounce as many other pacers.

 

 

[tapandrun]

20 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

This is a short ball and very very quick.

 

Hence the bounce.

 

But his good length balls at 140 to 150 don't generate as much bounce as many other pacers.

 

 

Wood is not that tall to be able to get bounce of length or awkward lengths. Plus his vertical leap that does help him generate extra pace but not bounce.

 

When he is trying to bounce a batter he is trying a proper short ball. if its a length ball its most likely not going to bounce much and skid through, good thing with him is he gets out swing and he does not fluctuate in his bowling speeds he is mostly trying to hit 150 kmphs with effort behind every ball. so if batter is not ready or in 2 minds his length ball can take nick.

 

Its v.rare to see bouncer being the fastest ball recorded on speedometer, its mostly fuller balls. Bouncer usually are recorded bit lower than what it looks like.

He is v.accurate for a 150+kmph bowler

 

 

Think right now only Naseemsah is the one who is short yet find bounce more than expected, if there is some1 who has not faced him before it would be hard for them.

Plus he is able to move the ball both ways at close to 145 kmph (at least when he was fully fit).

 

 

Edited July 19, 2024 by tapandrun

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Wood is not that tall to be able to get bounce of length or awkward lengths. Plus his vertical leap that does help him generate extra pace but not bounce.

 

When he is trying to bounce a batter he is trying a proper short ball. if its a length ball its most like not going to bounce much and skid through good thing with him is he gets out swing and he does not fluctuate in his bowling speeds he is mostly trying to hit 150 kmphs with effort behind every ball. so if batter is not ready or in 2 minds his length ball can take nick.

 

Its v.rare to see bouncer being the fastest ball recorded on speedometer, its mostly fuller balls. Bouncer usually are recorded bit lower than what it looks like 

 

Think right now only Naseemsah is the one who is short yet find bounce more than expected, if there is some1 who has not faced him before it would be hard for them.

Plus he is able to move the ball both ways at close to 145 kmph (at least when he was fully fit).

 

 

Marshall, Steyn, Bumrah, Shami, Aaron, Naseem have been some pacers who hit the bat hard and high despite being less than 6 feet. 

 

Those who can't need to target the stumps most of the time at full pace. And punctuate with genuine bouncers.  Like Waqar or Umesh after 2016.

 

Wood needs to do this if he wants to bring down his test average or ODI average. Same with Umran. Both these guys are instructed to bowl back of a length because they have express pace. Mayank or Nortje are express pacers who have natural bounce and can succeed bowling back of a length. 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2024 by express bowling

[tapandrun]

24 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Marshall, Steyn, Bumrah, Shami, Aaron, Naseem have been some pacers who hit the bat hard and high despite being less than 6 feet. 

 

Those who can't need to target the stumps most of the time at full pace. And punctuate with genuine bouncers.  Like Waqar or Umesh after 2016.

 

Wood needs to do this if he wants to bring down his test average or ODI average. Same with Umran. Both these guys are instructed to bowl back of a length because they have express pace. Mayank or Nortje are express pacers who have natural bounce and can succeed bowling back of a length. 

 

 

 

 

Umran needs to find a way to move the ball be it in-swing out-swing and needs to bowl closer to his top speeds (150 kmph) more often.

Else he has noting going for him if he cuts down the pace there are better bowler who can bowl 140-145 kmph, plus he is not particularly tall.

 

Try bowling fast and get some movement should be clear instruction to him. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vishalvirsingh]

16 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Sen has just undergone a knee surgery.

now i understand why is kuldeep sen out of reckoning suddenly...fitness issues and surgery.

otherwise I am sure it is difficult to ignore him and Prasidh.

 

Any update about Prasidh and Mayank Yadav.