Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

19 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

vyshak is known for restrictive bowling ..less runs giving.

saini ..i just said if he is still at the peak of his bowling, I have no clue how good is he now a days..i did see him bowling bouncers in IPL.

arsh and khaleel are improving well though none is a finished product for a Test bowler. gg favours starc- I remember GG getting kkr to spend so much money for STARC.

the kind of money he spent clearly indicated GG was mad for left arm quicks and I got a confirmation when I saw ARSH and Khaleel both getting selected ...which is actually a strange call.

everyone knows he loves harshit and even Prasidh and both are good too , if they are bowling well.

 

Vyshak has an ER of 10.3 in the IPL. That is not restrictive bowling.

 

Starc was preferred for T20s by Gambhir. In this format, tall left arm pacers swinging the new ball, is like gold dust. Test matches are different. Plus don't forget that Starc bowls 145k+ from 6'4" height. And Gambhir prefers high pace and bounce.

Edited July 22, 2024 by express bowling

[Kron]

Australia has bowled 52 % of balls above 85 mph which is 36

 

India is second at 34%

 

South africa at 3 31 %

 

Pakistan 4th at 29%

 

@express bowling

 

This was a stat posted in the eng vs w.indies series

 

For last 3 years. If you factor last 5 years, India and aus are neck and neck in that case. 

 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

Australia has bowled 52 % of balls above 85 mph which is 36

 

India is second at 34%

 

South africa at 3 31 %

 

Pakistan 4th at 29%

 

@express bowling

 

This was a stat posted in the eng vs w.indies series

 

For last 3 years. If you factor last 5 years, India and aus are neck and neck in that case. 

 

Australia is benefitting from the trio who bowls 135-145 kph consistently.

 

In India Bumrah & Shami are the only ones who maintain this pace, Siraj often drops to 130-132kph, Shardul starts with 132 and by end of the day he is at 127-128k. 

 

Umesh and Ishant hasn't played much from past 5 years, and both are old now. Ishant was in 130-140 range, Umesh too slowed down from 2018-19 onwards at 130-140 pace, before that he was a 135-145k pacer in Tests.

 

Funny thing is with Pakistan, they hype themselves that Shaheen hit 154k on some random China made speedometer...when he reality he struggles to even hit 135k in Tests consistently. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

Australia has bowled 52 % of balls above 85 mph which is 36

 

India is second at 34%

 

South africa at 3 31 %

 

Pakistan 4th at 29%

 

@express bowling

 

This was a stat posted in the eng vs w.indies series

 

For last 3 years. If you factor last 5 years, India and aus are neck and neck in that case. 

 

 

 

This is good.

 

85 mph is 137 kph.

 

We would have crossed 38 or 40 % if Unadkat and Mukesh were not playing in the last 20 months. 

[express bowling]

Wood 1st over 2nd innings 

 

146

151

152

150

153

151

[express bowling]

Blistering pace from Wood.

 

Consistently 149 k to 152 k.

[MK55]

Mark Wood 1/5 in a 5 over spell.

[MK55]

Need at least 2 more bowlers to accompany Bumrah and who have the ability to bowl 145 plus.

Siraj is a lost cause while Shami’s career is probably over. Even if he does come back, such a massive injury down time plus his age makes me almost certain that even if he does come back, I doubt he can go 145 plus anymore even in selective spells. 
Need a couple of guys who can play the enforcer role.  And I’m sick of mediocrity, and to me that is anything 135-140. There should be no compromises in a nation of more than a billion.

[MK55]

England and SA have got exciting fast bowling attacks.

SA with Berger Nortje Rabada and Jansen 

and England with Gus Mark Stokes and they always seem to have one decent swing bowler in the side. Its Woakes in that role now. And Archer in LOIs.

NZ have got Ben Sears who’s tall quick and aggressive.

Edited July 21, 2024 by MK55

[tapandrun]

Last TM didnt had the foresight for this, Ind lost 3 bowlers and potentially Shami is coming to end of his career not prime but career.

They said 2/3 years back that they see shami only for test and he will not play white-ball cricket much but till now there is no replacement for him in white-ball or in tests.

 

Siraj is also loosing his wheels not sure for how long he can be with the team, he was good for that 1-2 year but since Asia cup he looked slow and tired.

Next in line they developed are Mukesh Kumar and Avesh Khan who does nt have v.high potential and are not an upgrade.

 

Only Akash deep showed some spark in that lone test but should have been tested to see if that was one of game or is he consistent

 

 

[Kron]

8 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Last TM didnt had the foresight for this, Ind lost 3 bowlers and potentially Shami is coming to end of his career not prime but career.

They said 2/3 years back that they see shami only for test and he will not play white-ball cricket much but till now there is no replacement for him in white-ball or in tests.

 

Siraj is also loosing his wheels not sure for how long he can be with the team, he was good for that 1-2 year but since Asia cup he looked slow and tired.

Next in line they developed are Mukesh Kumar and Avesh Khan who does nt have v.high potential and are not an upgrade.

 

Only Akash deep showed some spark in that lone test but should have been tested to see if that was one of game or is he consistent

 

 

Bumrah will be there for 5 more years at his peak

Siraj will play maybe 2 to 3 more

Shami only tests for one or 2 more years max

 

Harshit will come in

Sen will come back after injury

Prasidh is 50 50. He was shite in sA but apparently played with injury. Let's see

 

Tyagi needs to come back

Gurnoor needs to be developed

Himanshu chauhan will come through

 

We will be fine. Just give chances. 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Kron said:

Bumrah will be there for 5 more years at his peak

Siraj will play maybe 2 to 3 more

Shami only tests for one or 2 more years max

 

Harshit will come in

Sen will come back after injury

Prasidh is 50 50. He was shite in sA but apparently played with injury. Let's see

 

Tyagi needs to come back

Gurnoor needs to be developed

Himanshu chauhan will come through

 

We will be fine. Just give chances. 

Frankly speaking Sen & Prasidh are a lost cause.

They are around 27-28 years of age...neither of them are even closer in getting selected.

A bowler usually takes 2-3 years to find their groove. Both will be 30-31 years old by the time they're sorted. This with a condition they don't get injured often. 

 

Better to invest into Himanshu, Harshit, Mayank, Tyagi & other quicks who are under 25.

[Kron]

6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Frankly speaking Sen & Prasidh are a lost cause.

They are around 27-28 years of age...neither of them are even closer in getting selected.

A bowler usually takes 2-3 years to find their groove. Both will be 30-31 years old by the time they're sorted. This with a condition they don't get injured often. 

 

Better to invest into Himanshu, Harshit, Mayank, Tyagi & other quicks who are under 25.

Guess you are right.

[express bowling]

48 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Frankly speaking Sen & Prasidh are a lost cause.

They are around 27-28 years of age...neither of them are even closer in getting selected.

A bowler usually takes 2-3 years to find their groove. Both will be 30-31 years old by the time they're sorted. This with a condition they don't get injured often. 

 

Better to invest into Himanshu, Harshit, Mayank, Tyagi & other quicks who are under 25.

 

 

Yes.

 

Himanshu.   21

Mayank.      22

Harshit.       22

Tyagi.          23

Umran.        24

Arshdeep.   25

Simarjeet.   26

 

These are the pacers we should invest in. 

Edited July 22, 2024 by express bowling

[Mosher]

Mayank injured again while bowling at NCA. 

 

Mayank Yadav's electric speeds during the early part of IPL 2024 created a buzz around him, leading some to ask if he could be part of India's pace battery for the Australia tour at the end of the year. The BCCI also added Mayank to the list of fast bowlers with developmental contracts earlier this year. However, the Delhi and Lucknow Super Giants fast bowler was soon ruled out of the IPL with a side injury. While he recovered from that injury, he is understood to have picked up a separate injury while bowling at the NCA. Mayank has only played one first-class match to date; he would be expected to prove his match fitness in domestic red-ball cricket before he is considered for Test cricket at least. https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-squads-for-sl-tour-the-road-ahead-for-ravindra-jadeja-mohammed-shami-hardik-pandya-and-kl-rahul-1444080

 

[MediumPacer]

He is injury prone,weak body.

[singhvivek141]

4 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Mayank injured again while bowling at NCA. 

 

Mayank Yadav's electric speeds during the early part of IPL 2024 created a buzz around him, leading some to ask if he could be part of India's pace battery for the Australia tour at the end of the year. The BCCI also added Mayank to the list of fast bowlers with developmental contracts earlier this year. However, the Delhi and Lucknow Super Giants fast bowler was soon ruled out of the IPL with a side injury. While he recovered from that injury, he is understood to have picked up a separate injury while bowling at the NCA. Mayank has only played one first-class match to date; he would be expected to prove his match fitness in domestic red-ball cricket before he is considered for Test cricket at least. https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-squads-for-sl-tour-the-road-ahead-for-ravindra-jadeja-mohammed-shami-hardik-pandya-and-kl-rahul-1444080

 

That's frustrating.

Mayank has been on the sidelines since he picked up that injury.

Wonder what kind of injury mgmt NCA is doing. 

 

Mohsin too is another one who is sitting on the sidelines post his 2022 IPL debut. Getting a lower back injury for a tall bowler with such heavy frame is never a good news. It will severely restrict his ability to bowl bouncy deliveries from good length and yorkers.

 

Umesh too suffered from this injury in 2012 and post that he reduced bowling bouncers or even attempting yorkers. Bumrah too didn't bowl many yorkers for quite some time when he had this injury.

[singhvivek141]

5 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

He is injury prone,weak body.

Bhai..as per you whole India is having weak body.

Not sure which fast bowler you consider as strong enough? Maybe we should ask The Great Khali to produce 10-12 kids then Hopefully we will get strong 7 footer fast bowlers.

 

Injuries happen to everyone, whether it's Shami, Bumrah or any other pacer. Young fast bowlers who clock 150+ will get injured often.

[Sandz]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Yes.

 

Himanshu.   21

Mayank.      22

Harshit.       22

Tyagi.          23

Umran.        24

Arshdeep.   25

Simarjeet.   26

 

These are the pacers we should invest in. 

Only Harshit seems to be in the scheme of things.

 

Tyagi, Umran have been sidelined and out of favour.

 

Mayank is injury prone and is unproven outside of 2 IPL games 

 

Himanshu and Simarjeet are unknown quantities.

 
TM completely lacks vision and succession planning. Bowlers are also treated poorly compared to batsmen, 1-2 bad games and they are discarded while batsmen can fail for 2-3 years but still continue to be backed. Total Injustice if you ask me.

[Kron]

21 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

He is injury prone,weak body.

Needs to get stronger first.