Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[tapandrun]

15 hours ago, Kron said:

For bouncy conditions SA have the best attack. 

 

Spicy wickets that is. It's so sad their batting is so crap. 

 

Jansen

Nortje

Rabada

Ngidi

Burger

 

They should only select 4 max. Too many tail enders otherwise. 

 

But yes that's easily their best ever attack since re admission. No old fart 90s loving delusional individual is going to convince me otherwise. 

 

Give this team a kalis, a bloody kirsten and a abd etx. They would wreak havoc. 

 

Can say the same for India. We just need 2 quality batsmen really.

Coetzee too.  SA is serious bowling side. 

[MK55]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Coetzee too.  SA is serious bowling side. 

Yes, totally forgot about him. They have Gerald Berger and Nortje who can bowl 150 plus in some spells. Definitely the quickest attack around.

 

England with Archer (LOIs) Gus and Wood is also quick.

 

Australia has slowed down massively. Starc is way past his peak. Cummins has got a lot of overs under his belt. Lance looks promising but not extreme pace.

 

India if they ever reach a stage with Bumrah Mayank N Harshit in the side together will also look good. Instead of giving chances to bozos like Khaleel and Avesh. Tyagi n Umran are completely wasted. I hope they r looking at some other career lol coz this is going nowhere 

I can’t believe how badly Umran got treated. No overs in the ipl, not given chances in A teams. U can’t draft a youngster, play him in the national side sporadically and then send him into oblivion. Agarkar n Pandya (captain at the time) r both to blame to some extent. Pandya especially is pathetic when it comes to mentoring n building young players. That moron should be nowhere close to leadership. 

 

Edited July 23, 2024 by MK55

[tapandrun]

49 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Yes, totally forgot about him. They have Gerald Berger and Nortje who can bowl 150 plus in some spells. Definitely the quickest attack around.

 

England with Archer (LOIs) Gus and Wood is also quick.

 

Australia has slowed down massively. Starc is way past his peak. Cummins has got a lot of overs under his belt. Lance looks promising but not extreme pace.

 

India if they ever reach a stage with Bumrah Mayank N Harshit in the side together will also look good. Instead of giving chances to bozos like Khaleel and Avesh. Tyagi n Umran are completely wasted. I hope they r looking at some other career lol coz this is going nowhere 

I can’t believe how badly Umran got treated. No overs in the ipl, not given chances in A teams. U can’t draft a youngster, play him in the national side sporadically and then send him into oblivion. Agarkar n Pandya (captain at the time) r both to blame to some extent. Pandya especially is pathetic when it comes to mentoring n building young players. That moron should be nowhere close to leadership. 

 

Issue ls selectors and TM have backed Avesh/Mukesh over Umran. 145+ kmph bowler should have a different  program. You do not find these kind of bowlers every day.

Umran is to blame as well he should won few matches on his own. He lost confidence in himslef and was not bowling at top of his pace.

Think they should try him against BD and may be take him to Aus.

 

Tyagi is going nowhere changes his action every other day, kind of blew his chances in that lone game he got in IPL. Its already his 3/4th IPL team and he is not been able to cement his place in any of the team, 

 

Sen wasted his 2/3 with TN not sure what was his injury or in in his contract that he didnt get any games and after playing MP t20 league he is getting knee surgery.

 

Pradish Krishna is getting injured too often and has been v.ordinary.

 

Ind too can field a v.fast bowling unit but there is a inclination towards sub 140 or 140ish bowlers and that has grown under last TM and selection- v.sure that has to do with some data or slower they bowl slower it goes. 

 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

48 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Issue ls selectors and TM have backed Avesh/Mukesh over Umran. 145+ kmph bowler should have a different  program. You do not find these kind of bowlers every day.

Umran is to blame as well he should won few matches on his own. He lost confidence in himslef and was not bowling at top of his pace.

Think they should try him against BD and may be take him to Aus.

 

Tyagi is going nowhere changes his action every other day, kind of blew his chances in that lone game he got in IPL. Its already his 3/4th IPL team and he is not been able to cement his place in any of the team, 

 

Sen wasted his 2/3 with TN not sure what was his injury or in in his contract that he didnt get any games and after playing MP t20 league he is getting knee surgery.

 

Pradish Krishna is getting injured too often and has been v.ordinary.

 

Ind too can field a v.fast bowling unit but there is a inclination towards sub 140 or 140ish bowlers and that has grown under last TM and selection- v.sure that has to do with some data or slower they bowl slower it goes. 

Tyagi has no one but himself to blame.

He is in that age bracket where playing every game is important, no matter from where. He is stuck with UPCA who has lot of options, there is Purnank as well who is a good swing bowler like Vaibhav...he too is getting wasted with UP. They should have switched states to some team which needs quick fast bowlers (like Khejroliya did when he switched to MP).

 

Sen is another one who made a braindead decision of moving to TN, which is a  graveyard for fast bowlers. Now he has lost all the momentum which was in his favour post 2022 season.

 

Simarjeet is another idiot who should have made the switch back to Punjab. Imagine a Punjab pace bowling attack potency with Gurnoor, Simarjeet in the mix. Instead of wasting time on trundlers like Kaul & Baltej.

[tapandrun]

21 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Tyagi has no one but himself to blame.

He is in that age bracket where playing every game is important, no matter from where. He is stuck with UPCA who has lot of options, there is Purnank as well who is a good swing bowler like Vaibhav...he too is getting wasted with UP. They should have switched states to some team which needs quick fast bowlers (like Khejroliya did when he switched to MP).

 

Sen is another one who made a braindead decision of moving to TN, which is a  graveyard for fast bowlers. Now he has lost all the momentum which was in his favour post 2022 season.

 

Simarjeet is another idiot who should have made the switch back to Punjab. Imagine a Punjab pace bowling attack potency with Gurnoor, Simarjeet in the mix. Instead of wasting time on trundlers like Kaul & Baltej.

Del is stacked with Fast bowlers, Simarjeet will find a team think CSK will sort him if they are looking for longtime in him.

Pujb is hard place for fast bowler, they have number of allrounders (good for domestic level)will find hard to make a place in playing 11, Gurnoor, Shail are fast not able to get regular games.

 

BCCI should have intervened with Sen's transfer he did nt play for 1-2 years.

Tyagi seems to be going nagarkoti way 

 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

5 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Del is stacked with Fast bowlers, Simarjeet will find a team think CSK will sort him if they are looking for longtime in him.

Pujb is hard place for fast bowler, they have number of allrounders (good for domestic level)will find hard to make a place in playing 11, Gurnoor, Shail are fast not able to get regular games.

 

BCCI should have intervened with Sen's transfer he did nt play for 1-2 years.

Tyagi seems to be going nagarkoti way 

 

 

 

Not sure if BCCI could do anything there. Players can switch the sides.

Sen probably thought moving to TN will make him a regular, as MP was more interested in promoting Avesh. But TN too ditched him and instead made Warrier as their primary pacer.

 

Nothing against likes of Warrier or Saini or Khejroliya. But state teams need to understand that these veterans are already 32-34 year old, with no chance left to play for India now. Hence these bowlers should play sporadically and not regularly.

 

Saurasthra is another one who promoted Jaydev..a 33 year old mediocre bowler who has no skills in his bowling and bowls at 127k. But the freaking idiot selectors thought him as calibre of Trent Boult. 

 

[Kron]

Just now, singhvivek141 said:

Not sure if BCCI could do anything there. Players can switch the sides.

Sen probably thought moving to TN will make him a regular, as MP was more interested in promoting Avesh. But TN too ditched him and instead made Warrier as their primary pacer.

 

Nothing against likes of Warrier or Saini or Khejroliya. But state teams need to understand that these veterans are already 32-34 year old, with no chance left to play for India now. Hence these bowlers should play sporadically and not regularly.

 

Saurasthra is another one who promoted Jaydev..a 33 year old mediocre bowler who has no skills in his bowling and bowls at 127k. But the freaking idiot selectors thought him as calibre of Trent Boult. 

 

Prime warrier was a very good bowler. He should have been picked for India. Tall bounce can seam the ball.

[singhvivek141]

25 minutes ago, Kron said:

Prime warrier was a very good bowler. He should have been picked for India. Tall bounce can seam the ball.

Yes, when he was young and in form. He was rejected and ignored due to presence of the likes of Vinay Kumar, Abhimanyu Mithun, Dhawal Kulkarni.

 

Now when he is 30+ years old, the IPL and state teams both are backing him while ignoring the young fast bowlers. No one knows what happened to Lokesh Raj, perhaps one bowler from TN in ages who can clock 140. 

 

Once these Tyagi's and Simarjeet's will become 34-35 years old and start bowling like Sandeep Sharma or Baltej Singh...they will play in every freaking IPL and FC game..and the younger kid of that gen who are 22-23 years old will keep on waiting at the sidelines..hoping the retirement of these oldies.

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Not sure if BCCI could do anything there. Players can switch the sides.

Sen probably thought moving to TN will make him a regular, as MP was more interested in promoting Avesh. But TN too ditched him and instead made Warrier as their primary pacer.

 

Nothing against likes of Warrier or Saini or Khejroliya. But state teams need to understand that these veterans are already 32-34 year old, with no chance left to play for India now. Hence these bowlers should play sporadically and not regularly.

 

Saurasthra is another one who promoted Jaydev..a 33 year old mediocre bowler who has no skills in his bowling and bowls at 127k. But the freaking idiot selectors thought him as calibre of Trent Boult. 

 

Yes -player transfers where player wants to play are decentralized which is a good thing, but there should be someway to cater high potential players. Specially when Ind is lacking bench strength on faster bowlers for test and ODIs, similar case with leg-spinner Ind only have 3 - Chahal, Bisnoi and Suryash and none can bat in t20 style.

Then there is r.chahar who is no where now near the selection.

 

State board cannot say no to an exp. Ind capped player plus it gives these side some media coverage and now that bcci has been strict with players having to play domestic cricket it has become catch-22 situation, also changing age group from U-23 to U-25 create larger pool of ageing player, this was meant for keeping younger talent in domestic because it is hard if some1 not being able to make it to main domestic side till they are 21 yo to carrry-on perusing cricketing career.

 

As correctly mentioned carrying player like Saini, manish pandey in A sides for so long hurts developing player. One can understand why TM and selectors would tilt towards LAF in T20i but for test selecting Jaydev and benching him is doing no-good.

 

Not oppose of any player at any age, but after 28-29 yo players should be good enough that can brought in and out of the team and perform each time, play and select them only when needed. Like how Aus uses A.agar when needed for tours like Ind he is in else he is out of 15 and when in they mostly plan him to play

 

Mukesh kumar though has been decent in whatever t20is he has played but why is he playing test in odis ? -- he looked like some club bowler RA nothing doing throw downs 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

38 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Yes -player transfers where player wants to play are decentralized which is a good thing, but there should be someway to cater high potential players. Specially when Ind is lacking bench strength on faster bowlers for test and ODIs, similar case with leg-spinner Ind only have 3 - Chahal, Bisnoi and Suryash and none can bat in t20 style.

Then there is r.chahar who is no where now near the selection.

 

State board cannot say no to an exp. Ind capped player plus it gives these side some media coverage and now that bcci has been strict with players having to play domestic cricket it has become catch-22 situation, also changing age group from U-23 to U-25 create larger pool of ageing player, this was meant for keeping younger talent in domestic because it is hard if some1 not being able to make it to main domestic side till they are 21 yo to carrry-on perusing cricketing career.

 

As correctly mentioned carrying player like Saini, manish pandey in A sides for so long hurts developing player. One can understand why TM and selectors would tilt towards LAF in T20i but for test selecting Jaydev and benching him is doing no-good.

 

Not oppose of any player at any age, but after 28-29 yo players should be good enough that can brought in and out of the team and perform each time, play and select them only when needed. Like how Aus uses A.agar when needed for tours like Ind he is in else he is out of 15 and when in they mostly plan him to play

 

Mukesh kumar though has been decent in whatever t20is he has played but why is he playing test in odis ? -- he looked like some club bowler RA nothing doing throw downs 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would frankly had accepted Mukesh Kumar if he would have been a Chris Woakes level batter who can contribute at at an average of 25-30 with bat in ODI's.

 

But at this trundling pace, plus zero skills with bat and on field is not at all justified.

We wasted years on one "Kumar" which ended up as a negative investment. Don't want to waste on another one, even the age is not his side. He is 31 years old on paper..in reality he may be 34-35 (in Bihar it's very common to reduce the age by 2-4 years).

[tapandrun]

32 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

I would frankly had accepted Mukesh Kumar if he would have been a Chris Woakes level batter who can contribute at at an average of 25-30 with bat in ODI's.

 

But at this trundling pace, plus zero skills with bat and on field is not at all justified.

We wasted years on one "Kumar" which ended up as a negative investment. Don't want to waste on another one, even the age is not his side. He is 31 years old on paper..in reality he may be 34-35 (in Bihar it's very common to reduce the age by 2-4 years).

Batting is absolutely required for T20i bowler, it provides balance and that extra 10-15 runs which are alot in t20s .

Plus IPL just showed that adding extra batter gives the batters at the top more freedom to play bigger shots and go for 2+ boundaries per over apporach.

 

With bowlers able to bat and batters able to bowl gives a leverage that even in absence in Pandaya team does not lose much of the balance and does not have to bring player like Thakur on the cost of a potential match winner.

[tapandrun]

https://cricket.one/cricket-news/kavya-marans-srh-to-release-umran-malik-before-ipl-2025-reports/669f6a0bb05421064ac83cff

[prudent_kreeda]

18 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Yes -player transfers where player wants to play are decentralized which is a good thing, but there should be someway to cater high potential players. Specially when Ind is lacking bench strength on faster bowlers for test and ODIs, similar case with leg-spinner Ind only have 3 - Chahal, Bisnoi and Suryash and none can bat in t20 style.

Then there is r.chahar who is no where now near the selection.

 

State board cannot say no to an exp. Ind capped player plus it gives these side some media coverage and now that bcci has been strict with players having to play domestic cricket it has become catch-22 situation, also changing age group from U-23 to U-25 create larger pool of ageing player, this was meant for keeping younger talent in domestic because it is hard if some1 not being able to make it to main domestic side till they are 21 yo to carrry-on perusing cricketing career.

 

As correctly mentioned carrying player like Saini, manish pandey in A sides for so long hurts developing player. One can understand why TM and selectors would tilt towards LAF in T20i but for test selecting Jaydev and benching him is doing no-good.

 

Not oppose of any player at any age, but after 28-29 yo players should be good enough that can brought in and out of the team and perform each time, play and select them only when needed. Like how Aus uses A.agar when needed for tours like Ind he is in else he is out of 15 and when in they mostly plan him to play

 

Mukesh kumar though has been decent in whatever t20is he has played but why is he playing test in odis ? -- he looked like some club bowler RA nothing doing throw downs 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 The best option would be create a separate team of talented youngsters under Board President X1 name  which will play as an additional team in all 

the domestic tourneys and in ranji also they can be included . Selection will be done national selectors . 

 

[tapandrun]

5 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 The best option would be create a separate team of talented youngsters under Board President X1 name  which will play as an additional team in all 

the domestic tourneys and in ranji also they can be included . Selection will be done national selectors . 

 

The problem with this is picking top15 talents from various state board team weakening those teams and then what will do with them if they are not in form or start losing that edge over other, will those boards be taking or investing in that player? Its just making 1 v.strong team and rest all weak sides and over the period because of lack of competition those sides will produce weak player and hence reducing the pool of high potential players.

 

 

Selecting top 15 talents and playing them as a team is your A side which plays equally good next gen. potentials from other cntries.

 

The program some1 also posted here was to bring them under NCA in a separate program be it leg-spinner, pacers, batters and allrounders.

Work on them in NCA with all modern tech and technique give them plans and check on their progress and strength and conditioning, ask domestic boards to get them as much as matches possible and report back, then work with IPL teams to take it forward get them games.

 

There can be further division of player who are good fr test, ODIs and T20Is, kind of bowlers.

 

BCCI gave fast bowling contract to 5/6 bowlers and most of them didnt get much games in ipl what happened there ?? Are they not good enough for IPLs if yes them how come they will be good fr Ind team.

Ask IPL teams to share the data, yes IPL sides will be reluctant but there has to be some channel to find-out, What is the progress Ind team sees this payers as potential test/odi/t20i players and how come they are not making into IPL sides where they are lacking what needs to be done till next season for them to be sure starters.

 

Think both IPL teams and BCCI will benefit by this as IPLteams too want their players feature in Ind intnl side and sharing the plan for high potential players will be a good way to go and its more organic.

 

There are so-many domestic t20 leagues going on bcci can ask these to get more legspinner and tall fast bowlers, there are no many LA orthodox bowlers playing these leagues . The other issue in these leagues are smaller boundaries, yes 4/6 gives you viewership them make some rule like 85+m hits will get 8 runs , think most of these leagues are using good graphic they have these data (this will give you batters who can hit big sixes in good size grounds and promote faster bowlers in the league as edge will only cost 6 runs and hitting 8 will require a proper shot),  This can not be done at state level or at IPL levels because of many reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2024 by tapandrun

[rkt.india]

18 hours ago, tapandrun said:

https://cricket.one/cricket-news/kavya-marans-srh-to-release-umran-malik-before-ipl-2025-reports/669f6a0bb05421064ac83cff

most of the players will be released.

[Need4Speed]

i hope Abhishek Sharma is not affected by team combination change..him and Head are good at the top..

BCCI and Gill will be happy if Sharma is affected by the changes..

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

most of the players will be released.

Umran is not getting any matches there anyways, MI should be interested in him, he is fast and pitches there are quick and bouncy.

Agarkar mentioned in the press conference about bowling resources, not sure if that was only in particular to Myanak or with larger view.

 

 

 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

Agarkar mentioned in the press conference about bowling resources, not sure if that was only in particular to Myanak or with larger view.

 

 

What did Agarkar say ?

[tapandrun]

36 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

What did Agarkar say ?

There was some question about test-bowling line up at the end of this PC(1.17) he said some bowlers are in NCA, new domestic season coming up and something on Shami

[tapandrun]

Arshdeep in Border-gavaskar trophy --

 

 

 

 

https://www.news18.com/cricket/arshdeep-singh-in-line-to-make-test-debut-for-india-during-border-gavaskar-trophy-report-8977736.html