Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Suhaan]

10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Idk why Chuskis don't hype Simrarjeet at all. 

Sadly Another KM Asif in the making 

You are right those with potential aren't backed, endorsed (except to some extent Umran)

Simarjeet potential wise is one of the top3 uncapped pacer in the country right now

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, tapandrun said:

TM and selectors have been recycling player without seeing if they have improved at all.

Mentioned this perviously as well what has changed in Avesh or Khaleel to be picked after such a long time.

Khaleel is there only because he is one of the few LAF available, he has ingredients but has not improved at all, he is part of Ind cricketing system for v.long he played Ind U-19 and still not able to improve, when he kind of know just few improvement he will be 1st back-up to Singh. Do not think he is a good fielder either would be amongst slowest movers - Sundar, him, Chahal 

 

Even in Raj t20 he was not the top bowler Ashok Sharma was getting wkt with his aggression and some pace.

 

 

And Vishal Godara who can hit  too.

[vishalvirsingh]

11 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Khaleel ,Avesh, Mukesh are more or less same on average pace ie 130-132 that too in t20s

And Mukesh is tad better

Zaleel has DISAPPOINTED me..made me zaleel.

He was bowling well in IPL now he looks the worst trundler.

 

Avesh has a good bouncer and Mukesh has a good inswinger at least. Let's see if he improves.

[singhvivek141]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

None among Unadkat, Avesh, Mukesh, Khaleel or Deshpande had potential to start with, in the 2022 - 24 period.

 

Them failing is not surprising but expected. 

 

Picking them all together is surprising. 

 

Khaleel could have been a tad better than the rest in terms of ability ... but he is lazy and gives the vibe that he is disinterested in playing for India, and IPL is enough.

Whenever I see Khaleel...not sure why I remember of Nathu Singh.

Similar height, physique and same laziness while fielding or batting.

 

Nathu lost his track quickly and he left cricket for the land business one he had the money...Khaleel is still dragging himself.

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Whenever I see Khaleel...not sure why I remember of Nathu Singh.

Similar height, physique and same laziness while fielding or batting.

 

Nathu lost his track quickly and he left cricket for the land business one he had the money...Khaleel is still dragging himself.

There is a bottleneck created in Raj team, older players are not going out and new players are not getting  any chances.

There were 3/4 net bowlers in IPL -2024 from raj. none of then are getting any chances or reckoning, nagarkoti is looking like its done fr him, bisnoi had to change the team

 

 

IPL -2024 net bowlers

Hemant Chaudhary - Rajasthan (Lucknow Super Giants)

 

Mahipal Singh Bhati - Rajasthan (Mumbai Indians)

 

Ashok Sharma - Rajasthan (RR)

 

Nitish Mishra - Rajasthan Royals

 

Abhishek Batra - Rajasthan Royals

 

Vishal Godara - Rajasthan (RR)

 

 

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, tapandrun said:

There is a bottleneck created in Raj team, older players are not going out and new players are not getting  any chances.

There were 3/4 net bowlers in IPL -2024 from raj. none of then are getting any chances or reckoning, nagarkoti is looking like its done fr him, bisnoi had to change the team

 

 

IPL -2024 net bowlers

Hemant Chaudhary - Rajasthan (Lucknow Super Giants)

 

Mahipal Singh Bhati - Rajasthan (Mumbai Indians)

 

Ashok Sharma - Rajasthan (RR)

 

Nitish Mishra - Rajasthan Royals

 

Abhishek Batra - Rajasthan Royals

 

Vishal Godara - Rajasthan (RR)

 

 

Yes, I wrote about this issue a while back.

 

State teams are stuck with mediocre bowlers in their 30s who have no future, but they keep playing them year after year.

 

For example, Sid Kaul and Baltej Singh are the main pacers for Punjab, while young fast bowlers like Simarjeet and Gurnoor are wasting their time on the bench.

 

Delhi, which usually supports quicks, played Saini and Ishant in the last FC season. Even a trundler like Divij Mehra got to play FC.

 

We've lost so many quicks in the past, like Sandeep Warrier and HS Sharath. Kuldeep Sen will probably be next.

[tapandrun]

16 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Yes, I wrote about this issue a while back.

 

State teams are stuck with mediocre bowlers in their 30s who have no future, but they keep playing them year after year.

 

For example, Sid Kaul and Baltej Singh are the main pacers for Punjab, while young fast bowlers like Simarjeet and Gurnoor are wasting their time on the bench.

 

Delhi, which usually supports quicks, played Saini and Ishant in the last FC season. Even a trundler like Divij Mehra got to play FC.

 

We've lost so many quicks in the past, like Sandeep Warrier and HS Sharath. Kuldeep Sen will probably be next.

Simarjeet (CSK) is he not from Del ?

There was Sahil Khan who played Punj t20 league he looked fast for league, rushed batters in some games

 

Del is planning for their own T20 league, there will some talent if it gets going 

Edited July 31, 2024 by tapandrun

[rkt.india]

19 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Yes, I wrote about this issue a while back.

 

State teams are stuck with mediocre bowlers in their 30s who have no future, but they keep playing them year after year.

 

For example, Sid Kaul and Baltej Singh are the main pacers for Punjab, while young fast bowlers like Simarjeet and Gurnoor are wasting their time on the bench.

 

Delhi, which usually supports quicks, played Saini and Ishant in the last FC season. Even a trundler like Divij Mehra got to play FC.

 

We've lost so many quicks in the past, like Sandeep Warrier and HS Sharath. Kuldeep Sen will probably be next.

Simarjeet plays for Delhi, not punjab 

[rkt.india]

32 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

There is a bottleneck created in Raj team, older players are not going out and new players are not getting  any chances.

There were 3/4 net bowlers in IPL -2024 from raj. none of then are getting any chances or reckoning, nagarkoti is looking like its done fr him, bisnoi had to change the team

 

 

IPL -2024 net bowlers

Hemant Chaudhary - Rajasthan (Lucknow Super Giants)

 

Mahipal Singh Bhati - Rajasthan (Mumbai Indians)

 

Ashok Sharma - Rajasthan (RR)

 

Nitish Mishra - Rajasthan Royals

 

Abhishek Batra - Rajasthan Royals

 

Vishal Godara - Rajasthan (RR)

 

 

Bhati is shorter than Ravindra Jadeja. Batra is a left arm spinner.

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Bhati is shorter than Ravindra Jadeja. Batra is a left arm spinner.

heard Hemant Chaudhary (Laf), Ashok Sharma are 140+ kmph and Vishal Godara is around 135+ with ability to bowl yorkers,

Nt sure how true those speed claims are but Ashok looked the fastest in the raj t20 league 

[rkt.india]

11 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

heard Hemant Chaudhary (Laf), Ashok Sharma are 140+ kmph and Vishal Godara is around 135+ with ability to bowl yorkers,

Nt sure how true those speed claims are but Ashok looked the fastest in the raj t20 league 

Hemant is quite old already. He has been clocking 90 mph in the nets.  Ashok needs to play for Rajasthan asap.  He is young and can bat too.

[Lone Wolf]

Simarjeet has best outswing going for him among high potential quicks.  This guy clearly has a very high ceiling and it is sad he is not even close to have any shot at playing India.

Himanshu may land himself a IPL deal so there is still hope for him

 

Kuldeep Sen is likely done as well.  He is on his way to vanish like Saini and Umran will join the list.  Tyagi too unless he course corrects.

 

Harshit Mayank Yadav have been the only breakthroughs & closely following them are selectors favourite Mukesh Avesh and Vyashak (for tests). 

Edited July 31, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[tapandrun]

22 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Simarjeet has best outswing going for him among high potential quicks.  This guy clearly has a very high ceiling and it is sad he is not even close to have any shot at playing India.

Himanshu may land himself a IPL deal so there is still hope for him

 

Kuldeep Sen is likely done as well.  He is on his way to vanish like Saini and Umran will join the list.  Tyagi too unless he course corrects.

 

Harshit Mayank Yadav have been the only breakthroughs & closely following them are selectors favourite Mukesh Avesh and Vyashak (for tests). 

Simarjeet is also 26-27 yo unless CSK really gets behind him its hard for him to make it, he is not even par of del.  domestic side.

 

Under previous management Ind has lost multiple high potential bowlers, by 26-27 bowler has to be ind side in some capacity be it 2nd in-line or bench, if not then there are v.few chances.

Can only recall Mukesh Kumar able to do that and get selected in all 3 formats without playing any IPL or toping ranji or domestic charts. Not sure it happened in last 10-15 years that an unknown player is selected in all formats.

 

Its high time ind should bring new bowlers quickly any1 and every1 should be considered now that we have seem the 2nd string bowling line with Avesh Khaleel,D.chahar,Siraj,Pradish, Unadkat or even Mukesh kumar (baring t20s or some last overs he looks v.ordinary ).

 

They should directly bring in - Umran, Mayank, Simarjeet, Arora, Mukesh Choudhary, Sen, Himanshu, Tyagi (vdoubtful of his talent of what he has shown in IPLs) or any1 available. Ind team at a stage they do not know who are their bowlers for Aus tour.   

  

 

 

Edited July 31, 2024 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

6 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Simarjeet (CSK) is he not from Del ?

There was Sahil Khan who played Punj t20 league he looked fast for league, rushed batters in some games

 

Del is planning for their own T20 league, there will some talent if it gets going 

 

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Simarjeet plays for Delhi, not punjab 

 

Yeah, I totally forgot.

 

I need to see him play in a domestic match so that I can remember which team he plays for.

[Lone Wolf]

Hopefully a debut in 1st ODI. Dude batted in the nets as well.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

20 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Simarjeet has best outswing going for him among high potential quicks.  This guy clearly has a very high ceiling and it is sad he is not even close to have any shot at playing India.

Himanshu may land himself a IPL deal so there is still hope for him

 

Kuldeep Sen is likely done as well.  He is on his way to vanish like Saini and Umran will join the list.  Tyagi too unless he course corrects.

 

Harshit Mayank Yadav have been the only breakthroughs & closely following them are selectors favourite Mukesh Avesh and Vyashak (for tests). 

 

Forget outswing. Has a strong action, hits the deck and bowls a tight line.  

 

Id like to see him bowl on a pitch unlike the shite pitches we had this IPL season.  

 

Hasn't played a List A game in 3 years which is shocking. 

 

 

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

Forget outswing. Has a strong action, hits the deck and bowls a tight line.  

 

Id like to see him bowl on a pitch unlike the shite pitches we had this IPL season.  

 

Hasn't played a List A game in 3 years which is shocking. 

 

 

Was injured most of the time in last 1-2 years, him and mukesh choudhary.

 

Plus del domestic team team is stacked with fast bowlers- Saini, Ishant, Rana, Himanshu, Mayank, Khejroliya 

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Was injured most of the time in last 1-2 years, him and mukesh choudhary.

 

Plus del domestic team team is stacked with fast bowlers- Saini, Ishant, Rana, Himanshu, Mayank, Khejroliya 

I liked Khejrolia initially not sure why he didnt work harder and improved his game..he looked strong left armer..

[tapandrun]

16 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

I liked Khejrolia initially not sure why he didnt work harder and improved his game..he looked strong left armer..

Was ~140 kmph LAF - Those times LAF were not that sought after and he had couple of bad IPL games ,think he played for RCB.

 

The problem has been the lack of improvements in the prospects be it Khaeel, Avesh, Mavi etc.... need to improve quickly and implement 

 

 

 

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Was ~140 kmph LAF - Those times LAF were not that sought after and he had couple of bad IPL games ,think he played for RCB.

 

The problem has been the lack of improvements in the prospects be it Khaeel, Avesh, Mavi etc.... need to improve quickly and implement 

 

 

 

Most of the upcoming pacers have been non serious about red ball or longer formats atmost they labour to earn IPL money ,they are content with it

Started from Avesh khaleel to Tyagi now

Tyagi has played so little, hasn't made any attempt to switch domestic side after being ignored not one times but multiple times

This is very serious now,BCCI must reward the test and odi players handsomely to inspire these new pacers