Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Same 11.  No Harshit. 

 

Did not see a single ball over 137 k by us last game.

 

Associate-nation- level pace being promoted.

 

Sad.

Harshit won't play,they think playing newcomers is like risking series

Even Arshadeep is newcomer in this format,we saw the brainfart with him last match and Siraj in the past

This way,never ever an opportunity will come

Every match will be crucial, different excuses will be given,only few matches to CT,wedding season pacers may hurt vital parts,winter time  more pain,etc

[express bowling]

Arshdeep is a good T20I bowler.

 

But ODI bowling usually needs more pace or bounce or both. ( unless a pacer is very very skilful for this format )

 

Bowling 10 overs a day, with intensity and effort, is not the same as bowling effective variations for 4 overs. 

 

Our selectors and TM need to understand this.

 

Arshdeep can be and has been an asset in T20Is ... let him remain so for the time being and let him develop his List A bowling in domestic cricket. 

 

There will be days when Arshdeep will do well in ODIs too, if he gets to play this format regularly. But he is not the best choice for ODIs.

Edited August 4 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Asitha extracting a lot of bounce and life from this pitch from back of a length. Bowling with effort.

 

Something which our pacers couldn't except Siraj on occasions. 

 

 

[express bowling]

Asitha's 4th over spoils his figures. 

 

Lost his intensity.

[MK55]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Arshdeep is a good T20I bowler.

 

But ODI bowling usually needs more pace or bounce or both. ( unless a pacer is very very skilful for this format )

 

Bowling 10 overs a day, with intensity and effort, is not the same as bowling effective variations for 4 overs. 

 

Our selectors and TM need to understand this.

 

Arshdeep can be and has been an asset in T20Is ... let him remain so for the time being and let him develop his List A bowling in domestic cricket. 

 

There will be days when Arshdeep will do well in ODIs too, if he gets to play this format regularly. But he is not the best choice for ODIs.

His time is gonna be up in t20s too. I don’t see any spark in him. Gets a lots of cheap wickets in the end. But yeah, for now keep him in T20s.

[express bowling]

For 3rd ODI .... 

 

Replace Arshdeep with Harshit. He will add some much needed pace and bounce to our bowling.

 

Plus he is supposed to be the best batter among our specialist pacers. This will lengthen our batting. 

 

Replace Dube with Parag. Spin is working on these pitches. 

[Suhaan]

13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

For 3rd ODI .... 

 

Replace Arshdeep with Harshit. He will add some much needed pace and bounce to our bowling.

 

Plus he is supposed to be the best batter among our specialist pacers. This will lengthen our batting. 

 

Replace Dube with Parag. Spin is working on these pitches. 

Replace Kela with Pant and Dube/Iyer with Parag

 

[Kron]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

For 3rd ODI .... 

 

Replace Arshdeep with Harshit. He will add some much needed pace and bounce to our bowling.

 

Plus he is supposed to be the best batter among our specialist pacers. This will lengthen our batting. 

 

Replace Dube with Parag. Spin is working on these pitches. 

So far gambo is all talk. 

[vishalvirsingh]

On 8/4/2024 at 4:45 PM, express bowling said:

Shown on TV around the 25th over

 

Fastest 

 

Siraj.           144.0 k

Arshdeep.  136.0 k

 

Average 

 

Siraj.           134.x k

Arshdeep   131.x k

Some one who can bowl 145 k ..why does he want to bowl 131k is strange...few slow balls are acceptable under 120k too.

125 to 135 k is a pace which is most comfortable to international batsmen...if u wanna bowl a slow ball ..do it around 112k else bowl fast. 

He tries inswing and outswing and forgets to push those balls using his shoulders . Inswing works but when it's fast.

[singhvivek141]

No Harshit again.

Almost an all spin attack with Siraj & Dube being the only 2 medium pace options.

Not sure if I am a fan of this decision.

Edited August 7 by singhvivek141

[express bowling]

Siraj  bowled one ball at 145 k.

 

Bowling  130 k to 135 k thereafter and spraying the ball. 

 

16 runs in 2 overs.

[Rightarmfast]

Dubey bowling at 76mph! He crossed 70mph barrier! Thats ducking quick, man! 

He may not be the world's best bowler, but he sure is damn terrifying! 

(For his own team, I mean)

[Gollum]

Just saw the scorecard, Siraj going at 8+ runs per over against his favorite team while rest going at 3.5.

 

What the TM sees in this guy I will never understand. First name on team sheet in all formats. Is he there to play jester role in Chahal's absence? Do kaudi ka bowler with stinking attitude, behavior. 

[Gollum]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Dubey bowling at 76mph! He crossed 70mph barrier! Thats ducking quick, man! 

He may not be the world's best bowler, but he sure is damn terrifying! 

(For his own team, I mean)

Figures look all right. Unlike the great Siraj. 

[express bowling]

Parag impressive as a spinner on ODI debut.

 

Bowling off spinners to LHB and some leg breaks to RHB 

 

Getting big turn with both deliveries, albeit on a helpful track.

 

Has bowled straight sliders too 

 

Good enough control so far.

 

3 wickets till now. 

[rollingstoned]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Parag impressive as a spinner on ODI debut.

 

Bowling off spinners to LHB and some leg breaks to RHB 

 

Getting big turn with both deliveries, albeit on a helpful track.

 

Has bowled straight sliders too 

 

Good enough control so far.

 

3 wickets till now. 

All that bowling in domestic cricket shows. You don't get control just bowling 4 overs in T20s. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, rollingstoned said:

All that bowling in domestic cricket shows. You don't get control just bowling 4 overs in T20s. 

 

So true.

[Need4Speed]

should have played Harshit Rana here..unless they were thinking Siraj to bowl like Bumrah here..it was high probablility Siraj will not trouble them..what harm Harshit would have done here..poor guy is warming bench from last 2 series..wtf..

[singhvivek141]

It is becoming quite disheartening to observe the current state of Indian cricket, particularly from the perspective of fast bowling.

 

Despite four years of international experience, Siraj's bowling continues to lack direction and precision.

 

Since Bumrah's debut in 2016, no young fast bowler under the age of 25 has been given an opportunity to represent India. The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has squandered valuable time and opportunities by persisting with bowlers like Avesh and Mukesh.

 

Indian bowling, much like its batting, relies heavily on one or two players, while others are content with playing supporting roles.

 

The BCCI has launched several "fast bowling programs," but there seems to be a lack of transparency and accountability regarding their implementation and effectiveness. It is unclear what initiatives are being taken to ensure that these programs are making a tangible impact on the ground and not just remaining on paper.

 

While the recent T20 victory was a moment of joy, there was an underlying concern that the BCCI might revert to complacency and make questionable decisions in the coming years. The team selections for the Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka tours have only heightened these concerns. Unlike Cricket Australia (CA), the BCCI does not appear to be as serious and focused in its efforts to maintain India's status as a consistent contender.

Edited August 7 by singhvivek141

[tapandrun]

On 8/7/2024 at 12:46 PM, singhvivek141 said:

It is becoming quite disheartening to observe the current state of Indian cricket, particularly from the perspective of fast bowling.

 

Despite four years of international experience, Siraj's bowling continues to lack direction and precision.

 

Since Bumrah's debut in 2016, no young fast bowler under the age of 25 has been given an opportunity to represent India. The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has squandered valuable time and opportunities by persisting with bowlers like Avesh and Mukesh.

 

Indian bowling, much like its batting, relies heavily on one or two players, while others are content with playing supporting roles.

 

The BCCI has launched several "fast bowling programs," but there seems to be a lack of transparency and accountability regarding their implementation and effectiveness. It is unclear what initiatives are being taken to ensure that these programs are making a tangible impact on the ground and not just remaining on paper.

 

While the recent T20 victory was a moment of joy, there was an underlying concern that the BCCI might revert to complacency and make questionable decisions in the coming years. The team selections for the Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka tours have only heightened these concerns. Unlike Cricket Australia (CA), the BCCI does not appear to be as serious and focused in its efforts to maintain India's status as a consistent contender.

 

In last 3/4 yrs they just added Mukesh and Siraj to test bowling line-up when they have lost 2 good bowlers -Umesh, Ishant.

Are Mukesh & Singh good for anything other than t20Is ??? Why did they waste the time with Unadkat -- What was the plan of having him and not trying to groom some upcoming younger bowler??

 

Avesh and khaleel are being recycled, can understand khaleel's inclusion in T20Is. LAF have some kind of advantage in T20s but he has shown no improvement and looks like he is good if some IPL picks him.

Avesh is in intnl quality ....??