Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Need4Speed]

11 hours ago, Suhaan said:

None BD pacer is better than Mukesh Avesh

we both are now able to see the geniuses of our selectors..they know how to unearth the diamonds..

[MK55]

21 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nahid Rana 

149.1 k... Woohoo 

Hmmm so looks like barring Bumrah, we are probably the slowest bowling attack in Asia. 
Great accomplishment, going back to our roots. I’m sure many people would be proud.

[singhvivek141]

23 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Hmmm so looks like barring Bumrah, we are probably the slowest bowling attack in Asia. 
Great accomplishment, going back to our roots. I’m sure many people would be proud.

Even Bumrah these days don't clock above 147.

He mostly oscillates in 138-147 range. 

 

We are more happy playing Avesh, Mukesh type trundlers who will be content bowling at 128-135 range.

[MK55]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Even Bumrah these days don't clock above 147.

He mostly oscillates in 138-147 range. 

 

We are more happy playing Avesh, Mukesh type trundlers who will be content bowling at 128-135 range.

100 percent right about Bumrah. 
That’s why I keep harping on the fact that we need enforcers in the side. A vast cricket playing nation like ours should be slotting at least a couple of 150k bowlers in the squad at will. No compromises here like 90 mph is fine blah blah blah. 

[singhvivek141]

15 hours ago, Suhaan said:

None BD pacer is better than Mukesh Avesh

Phaast bowling leak runs

By the legendary Sri Jaydev Unadkut fan.

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, MK55 said:

100 percent right about Bumrah. 
That’s why I keep harping on the fact that we need enforcers in the side. A vast cricket playing nation like ours should be slotting at least a couple of 150k bowlers in the squad at will. No compromises here like 90 mph is fine blah blah blah. 

 

Based on what I have seen..we only have 2 proper 150kph bowlers at the moment

 

Mayank & Umran

 

For some reason I doubt if Tyagi will be able to get back his pace.

 

We have few more quicks in 144-150 range we can use them as well as an enforcer. Sen, Tyagi & hopefully Simarjeet may bowl even quicker..not sure about Harshit.

 

Sen

Tyagi

Simarjeet

Harshit probably

 

 

[MK55]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Based on what I have seen..we only have 2 proper 150kph bowlers at the moment

 

Mayank & Umran

 

For some reason I doubt if Tyagi will be able to get back his pace.

 

We have few more quicks in 144-150 range we can use them as well as an enforcer. Sen, Tyagi & hopefully Simarjeet may bowl even quicker..not sure about Harshit.

 

Sen

Tyagi

Simarjeet

Harshit probably

 

 

Also, this stupid management and the way they’ve treated potential express quicks, is going to have a massive negative impact on the next generation of talent. The entire system is rotten starting from the captain and the chief selector.

 

These morons don’t understand or are bothered of that.  Had they successfully managed to groom guys like Umran and Tyagi, we would have had 5 more such bowlers in the next 3 years. 

[Adamant]

There is no place for 150 kph bowlers in test cricket until they are as good as Akhtar or Thomson.

 

The likes of Lee, Wood are all ordinary bowler whos job was to give opposition free runs by bowling garbage, and that why they avg 32+.

 

Need more bowlers in 135-145 range and that would be ideal.

 

UnIronically Nahid was the easiest to handle amongst all the Bangladesh pacers

[Lone Wolf]

29 minutes ago, Adamant said:

There is no place for 150 kph bowlers in test cricket until they are as good as Akhtar or Thomson.

 

The likes of Lee, Wood are all ordinary bowler whos job was to give opposition free runs by bowling garbage, and that why they avg 32+.

 

Need more bowlers in 135-145 range and that would be ideal.

 

UnIronically Nahid was the easiest to handle amongst all the Bangladesh pacers

Not easy to take 20, wickets on this dead pitch.  Once early moisture was gone there was nothing in it.

BD guys don't know the art of reverse swing though 

[Lone Wolf]

41 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Based on what I have seen..we only have 2 proper 150kph bowlers at the moment

 

Mayank & Umran

 

For some reason I doubt if Tyagi will be able to get back his pace.

 

We have few more quicks in 144-150 range we can use them as well as an enforcer. Sen, Tyagi & hopefully Simarjeet may bowl even quicker..not sure about Harshit.

 

Sen

Tyagi

Simarjeet

Harshit probably

 

 

Recent Indian express article suggested that Mayank is still not 100% & NCA is working on his back muscles & strength and conditioning.  They said his body isn't able to take load of him bowling that fast yet.

 

I reckon Harshit will play sooner or later.  Tyagi is lost cause.

Sen has a shot still provided he is fit.

 

Simarjeet won't be seen until Next IPL.. dude has to work on his PR probably.  It sucks as he looks most complete of the lot.

 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

There is no place for 150 kph bowlers in test cricket until they are as good as Akhtar or Thomson.

 

The likes of Lee, Wood are all ordinary bowler whos job was to give opposition free runs by bowling garbage, and that why they avg 32+.

 

Need more bowlers in 135-145 range and that would be ideal.

 

UnIronically Nahid was the easiest to handle amongst all the Bangladesh pacers

135-145 with ability to crank 147-150 when needed is what we need for Tests.

Steyn had the ability, Morkel too was easily quick. Bond was another one, 

 

A bowler who bowls 132-138 in T20's will most probably average lower than 130's in Tests, coz he will have to bowl more overs.

 

Australian quicks are pretty much in 135-145 range, no matter how many overs they bowl. Cummins has cranked upto 147-148 many times, so does Starc until few years back. Hazelwood too touched 145 often and he is slowest of the three.

[Adamant]

14 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

135-145 with ability to crank 147-150 when needed is what we need for Tests.

Steyn had the ability, Morkel too was easily quick. Bond was another one, 

 

A bowler who bowls 132-138 in T20's will most probably average lower than 130's in Tests, coz he will have to bowl more overs.

 

Australian quicks are pretty much in 135-145 range, no matter how many overs they bowl. Cummins has cranked upto 147-148 many times, so does Starc until few years back. Hazelwood too touched 145 often and he is slowest of the three.

Touching 147 or 145 doesn’t matter.

We need bowlers in the rang of 135-145 thats more than enough, there should be no need of anyone bowling above that coz there is absolutely no facts and history to suggest that bowlers bowling above 145 have done better in test cricket.

 

90% of the legendary bowlers operated in thi range only or maybe even slower.

Only Steyn , Donald and Michael Holding are three ATGs who consistently broke 145 barrier (and that too at their peak), I don’t see anyone apart from them.

Cummins is usually slower than 145 with average speed around 139

Marshall also was a 135-145 kph bowler

Mcgrath also was in this range and sometimes even slower

Pollock too

Curtly Ambrose too

Rabada, Garner,Walsh, Wasim, Imran, Lillee, Croft, Roberts, Hadlee, Anderson, Broad ALL Belonged in this range or slower.

 

Dont get the hype around this 150 koh mark

 

[singhvivek141]

44 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Touching 147 or 145 doesn’t matter.

We need bowlers in the rang of 135-145 thats more than enough, there should be no need of anyone bowling above that coz there is absolutely no facts and history to suggest that bowlers bowling above 145 have done better in test cricket.

 

90% of the legendary bowlers operated in thi range only or maybe even slower.

Only Steyn , Donald and Michael Holding are three ATGs who consistently broke 145 barrier (and that too at their peak), I don’t see anyone apart from them.

Cummins is usually slower than 145 with average speed around 139

Marshall also was a 135-145 kph bowler

Mcgrath also was in this range and sometimes even slower

Pollock too

Curtly Ambrose too

Rabada, Garner,Walsh, Wasim, Imran, Lillee, Croft, Roberts, Hadlee, Anderson, Broad ALL Belonged in this range or slower.

 

Dont get the hype around this 150 koh mark

 

A bowler who can clock 135-145 can hit 150 and above.

These skills are effectively useful if one has to reverse the bowl. Problem is it's really tough to control the ball at this pace consistently..and there are a very few who can do that. 

 

Mitchell Johnson is one example...he was considered at finished in 2010-11 and was dropped..he was bowling at 130-140 range.

MJ went back, worked on his fitness and returned as a fearsome bowler who was hitting 142-152 at a fearsome accuracy & precision.

 

Every English batter was jumping and hopping against his deliveries. Someone like Kevin Pietersen who can play the pace well too was uncomfortable facing MJ and his raw pace. For next 2-3 years he was literally a force to be dealt with.

[Adamant]

30 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

A bowler who can clock 135-145 can hit 150 and above.

These skills are effectively useful if one has to reverse the bowl. Problem is it's really tough to control the ball at this pace consistently..and there are a very few who can do that. 

 

Mitchell Johnson is one example...he was considered at finished in 2010-11 and was dropped..he was bowling at 130-140 range.

MJ went back, worked on his fitness and returned as a fearsome bowler who was hitting 142-152 at a fearsome accuracy & precision.

 

Every English batter was jumping and hopping against his deliveries. Someone like Kevin Pietersen who can play the pace well too was uncomfortable facing MJ and his raw pace. For next 2-3 years he was literally a force to be dealt with.

Mitchell Johnson was a good bowler and not an ATG.

The reason behind his performance in Ashes 13 was not his speed, he always had that.

Checkout his speed in the Ashes when he played in England, he was still spraying it all around.

 

 

[Adamant]

32 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

A bowler who can clock 135-145 can hit 150 and above.

These skills are effectively useful if one has to reverse the bowl. Problem is it's really tough to control the ball at this pace consistently..and there are a very few who can do that. 

 

Mitchell Johnson is one example...he was considered at finished in 2010-11 and was dropped..he was bowling at 130-140 range.

MJ went back, worked on his fitness and returned as a fearsome bowler who was hitting 142-152 at a fearsome accuracy & precision.

 

Every English batter was jumping and hopping against his deliveries. Someone like Kevin Pietersen who can play the pace well too was uncomfortable facing MJ and his raw pace. For next 2-3 years he was literally a force to be dealt with.

When was the last time Bumrah, Rabada, Cummins hit 150? 

[Suhaan]

40 minutes ago, Adamant said:

When was the last time Bumrah, Rabada, Cummins hit 150? 

They can up their speeds well above 145when required

Someone like Mukesh,Woakes,Boult can't do zilch when nothing goes for them ie no swing,seam,bounce

If there is reverse on offer specially in red ball cricket when there is no scoreboard pressure,upping the ante more often than not works which above names have it in them

[Adamant]

44 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

They can up their speeds well above 145when required

Someone like Mukesh,Woakes,Boult can't do zilch when nothing goes for them ie no swing,seam,bounce

If there is reverse on offer specially in red ball cricket when there is no scoreboard pressure,upping the ante more often than not works which above names have it in them

Why are you mentioning Mukesh or Woakes here? They don’t belong to 135-145 category.

 

No, the reason why they do well is definitely not because they can crank a couple of balls above 145, Shami is one of the best exponent of reverse swing he hardly bowls above 145.

 

Also Well above 145? What does that mean? Pick up the last 5fer spell of Bumrah, Cummins, Rabada and tell me how many times they breached 145.

[singhvivek141]

59 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Why are you mentioning Mukesh or Woakes here? They don’t belong to 135-145 category.

 

No, the reason why they do well is definitely not because they can crank a couple of balls above 145, Shami is one of the best exponent of reverse swing he hardly bowls above 145.

 

Also Well above 145? What does that mean? Pick up the last 5fer spell of Bumrah, Cummins, Rabada and tell me how many times they breached 145.

Both Shami & Bumrah have clocked 145 plus multiple times, Bumrah has been hitting 147-148k in third session as well in a Test. 

 

Shami was his fastest during 2016-2021...there were several spells where he actually clocked 146-147k as well, he hit those speeds post his surgery after 2015 WC when he reduced the length of his strides.

 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

When was the last time Bumrah, Rabada, Cummins hit 150? 

Cummins bowled 149k in WC 2023...not sure if he clocked 150 in that tournament. 

 

Rabada has bowled fiery speeds for many years...it's last 2-3 years where he has became a sub 140 bowler...else both Nortje & Rabada were competing quite well with each other in matter of speeds.

 

Nortje is another quick who has good numbers across formats and he is a 150k pacer.

[Adamant]

13 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Both Shami & Bumrah have clocked 145 plus multiple times, Bumrah has been hitting 147-148k in third session as well in a Test. 

 

Shami was his fastest during 2016-2021...there were several spells where he actually clocked 146-147k as well, he hit those speeds post his surgery after 2015 WC when he reduced the length of his strides.

 

I know and have seen enough of them.

How many times do you think Bunrah cracked 145+ in the last test series he played?

 

Bumraj's best spell is the one he bowled against West Indies and he hardly bowled a ball above 145 kph.

 

Shami was never a consistent 145+ kph bowler and I can bet on it with my bottom dollar, you are just exaggerating here for the sake of it