Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Adamant]

30 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

A bowler who can clock 135-145 can hit 150 and above.

These skills are effectively useful if one has to reverse the bowl. Problem is it's really tough to control the ball at this pace consistently..and there are a very few who can do that. 

 

Mitchell Johnson is one example...he was considered at finished in 2010-11 and was dropped..he was bowling at 130-140 range.

MJ went back, worked on his fitness and returned as a fearsome bowler who was hitting 142-152 at a fearsome accuracy & precision.

 

Every English batter was jumping and hopping against his deliveries. Someone like Kevin Pietersen who can play the pace well too was uncomfortable facing MJ and his raw pace. For next 2-3 years he was literally a force to be dealt with.

Mitchell Johnson was a good bowler and not an ATG.

The reason behind his performance in Ashes 13 was not his speed, he always had that.

Checkout his speed in the Ashes when he played in England, he was still spraying it all around.

 

 

[Adamant]

32 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

A bowler who can clock 135-145 can hit 150 and above.

These skills are effectively useful if one has to reverse the bowl. Problem is it's really tough to control the ball at this pace consistently..and there are a very few who can do that. 

 

Mitchell Johnson is one example...he was considered at finished in 2010-11 and was dropped..he was bowling at 130-140 range.

MJ went back, worked on his fitness and returned as a fearsome bowler who was hitting 142-152 at a fearsome accuracy & precision.

 

Every English batter was jumping and hopping against his deliveries. Someone like Kevin Pietersen who can play the pace well too was uncomfortable facing MJ and his raw pace. For next 2-3 years he was literally a force to be dealt with.

When was the last time Bumrah, Rabada, Cummins hit 150? 

[Suhaan]

40 minutes ago, Adamant said:

When was the last time Bumrah, Rabada, Cummins hit 150? 

They can up their speeds well above 145when required

Someone like Mukesh,Woakes,Boult can't do zilch when nothing goes for them ie no swing,seam,bounce

If there is reverse on offer specially in red ball cricket when there is no scoreboard pressure,upping the ante more often than not works which above names have it in them

[Adamant]

44 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

They can up their speeds well above 145when required

Someone like Mukesh,Woakes,Boult can't do zilch when nothing goes for them ie no swing,seam,bounce

If there is reverse on offer specially in red ball cricket when there is no scoreboard pressure,upping the ante more often than not works which above names have it in them

Why are you mentioning Mukesh or Woakes here? They don’t belong to 135-145 category.

 

No, the reason why they do well is definitely not because they can crank a couple of balls above 145, Shami is one of the best exponent of reverse swing he hardly bowls above 145.

 

Also Well above 145? What does that mean? Pick up the last 5fer spell of Bumrah, Cummins, Rabada and tell me how many times they breached 145.

[singhvivek141]

59 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Why are you mentioning Mukesh or Woakes here? They don’t belong to 135-145 category.

 

No, the reason why they do well is definitely not because they can crank a couple of balls above 145, Shami is one of the best exponent of reverse swing he hardly bowls above 145.

 

Also Well above 145? What does that mean? Pick up the last 5fer spell of Bumrah, Cummins, Rabada and tell me how many times they breached 145.

Both Shami & Bumrah have clocked 145 plus multiple times, Bumrah has been hitting 147-148k in third session as well in a Test. 

 

Shami was his fastest during 2016-2021...there were several spells where he actually clocked 146-147k as well, he hit those speeds post his surgery after 2015 WC when he reduced the length of his strides.

 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

When was the last time Bumrah, Rabada, Cummins hit 150? 

Cummins bowled 149k in WC 2023...not sure if he clocked 150 in that tournament. 

 

Rabada has bowled fiery speeds for many years...it's last 2-3 years where he has became a sub 140 bowler...else both Nortje & Rabada were competing quite well with each other in matter of speeds.

 

Nortje is another quick who has good numbers across formats and he is a 150k pacer.

[Adamant]

13 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Both Shami & Bumrah have clocked 145 plus multiple times, Bumrah has been hitting 147-148k in third session as well in a Test. 

 

Shami was his fastest during 2016-2021...there were several spells where he actually clocked 146-147k as well, he hit those speeds post his surgery after 2015 WC when he reduced the length of his strides.

 

I know and have seen enough of them.

How many times do you think Bunrah cracked 145+ in the last test series he played?

 

Bumraj's best spell is the one he bowled against West Indies and he hardly bowled a ball above 145 kph.

 

Shami was never a consistent 145+ kph bowler and I can bet on it with my bottom dollar, you are just exaggerating here for the sake of it 

[Adamant]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Cummins bowled 149k in WC 2023...not sure if he clocked 150 in that tournament. 

 

Rabada has bowled fiery speeds for many years...it's last 2-3 years where he has became a sub 140 bowler...else both Nortje & Rabada were competing quite well with each other in matter of speeds.

 

Nortje is another quick who has good numbers across formats and he is a 150k pacer.

No he didn't bowl 149 kph in WC 23

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.crictracker.com/fastest-deliveries-in-cricket-world-cup/%3famp=1

[Adamant]

2 minutes ago, Adamant said:

No he didn't bowl 149 kph in WC 23

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.crictracker.com/fastest-deliveries-in-cricket-world-cup/%3famp=1

Starc was Australias fastest in that WC and he bowled 148 kph.

So obviously none of Bunrah, Cummins, Rabada touched 148.

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

Mitchell Johnson was a good bowler and not an ATG.

The reason behind his performance in Ashes 13 was not his speed, he always had that.

Checkout his speed in the Ashes when he played in England, he was still spraying it all around.

 

 

Not exactly, Johnson was quick but not that quick. In 2007 T20 WC too he was bowling 135-145k...he worked on his action post injury in 2011 with Dennis Lillee and after that he became the rowdy demon which burned down the entire English team.

 

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/3793921/mitchell-johnson-comeback-ashes-2013-14-origin-gabba-australia-england-scared-feature-broad-trott-pietersen

[singhvivek141]

8 minutes ago, Adamant said:

I know and have seen enough of them.

How many times do you think Bunrah cracked 145+ in the last test series he played?

 

Bumraj's best spell is the one he bowled against West Indies and he hardly bowled a ball above 145 kph.

 

Shami was never a consistent 145+ kph bowler and I can bet on it with my bottom dollar, you are just exaggerating here for the sake of it 

Why you are stuck with last series only ?

 

Bumrah has bowled upto 147-148kph historically...do you agree ? So he is able to crank up the pace is he wants to. Bumrah is a 137-144k bowler in general. Here he gets his 5th wicket with a 146k delivery.

 

https://youtu.be/svJkadBf8Z4?si=NAEqvxrJuzl04xte

 

Shami wasn't a speed demon..but he was someone who can always hit those speeds when rhythm. Shami hitting 146-147 is not a surprise when his recorded speed in above 150k. Though he is mostly a 133-140kph bowler now...he was easily a 135-142k bowler from 2016-2020/21.  You can see him bowling so many 138-142 deliveries in the below video...

 

 

When u use the word consistently, the meaning can easily change and go in different direction. Except Mark Wood & Nortje I don't think anyone can hit 145k consistently..not even Ferguson.

[Need4Speed]

8 hours ago, MK55 said:

Hmmm so looks like barring Bumrah, we are probably the slowest bowling attack in Asia. 
Great accomplishment, going back to our roots. I’m sure many people would be proud.

but we are the topmost in Grunting(Avesh) and run up(Mukesh)..those are also important factors for selections

[singhvivek141]

32 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Starc was Australias fastest in that WC and he bowled 148 kph.

So obviously none of Bunrah, Cummins, Rabada touched 148.

Thanks,

I think I mixed up Coetzee & Cummins.

Though historically Cummins has bowled quicker. As per this article his fastest is ~154kph

 

https://cricketaddictor.com/top-5-10/top-5-current-bowlers-who-can-break-shoaib-akhtars-record-of-the-fastest-delivery/

[tapandrun]

13 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Based on what I have seen..we only have 2 proper 150kph bowlers at the moment

 

Mayank & Umran

 

For some reason I doubt if Tyagi will be able to get back his pace.

 

We have few more quicks in 144-150 range we can use them as well as an enforcer. Sen, Tyagi & hopefully Simarjeet may bowl even quicker..not sure about Harshit.

 

Sen

Tyagi

Simarjeet

Harshit probably

 

 

Its rare to find proper 150 kmph bowlers, would not say Mayank and Umran are proper 150 kmph bowlers just yet.

They need to play more games and need to bowl more balls in that kind of pace bracket.

 

Since the speedometers are being used would say only Akthar, Lee and Tait and now Wood are proper 150 kmph bowlers.

Few have bowled 150 or 150+ kmph but they didnt do it for a sizeable amount of time.

 

Akash deep, Sen and Rana looks good option to be included in the team, Its up-to TM and selectors if they want bowlers with bit of extra pace or some1 like Avesh/Mukesh.

Last 3/4 years TM and selectors were inclined towards ~140 kmph (white-ball speed) bowlers who does not look intnl quality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tapandrun]

5 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Thanks,

I think I mixed up Coetzee & Cummins.

Though historically Cummins has bowled quicker. As per this article his fastest is ~154kph

 

https://cricketaddictor.com/top-5-10/top-5-current-bowlers-who-can-break-shoaib-akhtars-record-of-the-fastest-delivery/

Cummins was v.quick when he made his debut and even after injury he did nt lose much pace. All 3 Aus pacers have cut down their pace for longevity and work load.

This is the longest serving trio of fast bowlers of Aus cricket.

 

Cummins and then there was another bowler (forgetting his name) were both v.qucik able to hit 150 kmph 

 

Starc came is as ~140 kmph bowler but with time he kept increasing his pace and in last 3/4 years he has slowed down as the 2 other Aus pacers for the same reason   longevity and workload. They have been playing all big games/tournaments in all 3 format.

 

If any1 has such a long career they wont remain 145+ kmph bowler for ever. Only Akthar and Lee were able to do so. Now what wood is doing is something special coming after injury being 30+ yo and getting quicker every season is never seem before

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

On 8/16/2024 at 2:19 AM, rkt.india said:

No. He will say 95 mph whole day.

I have LITERALLY only said this about Michael Holding, the most consistently fast fast bowler ever. 

 

[Jaydev_Unadkat]

15 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

 

Shami was never a consistent 145+ kph bowler and I can bet on it with my bottom dollar, you are just exaggerating here for the sake of it 

Thats what most of these people do  A random tom dick or harry bowls a couple of random deliveries touching 141 kph in a random “premier league” in some random corner and the axeeeperts of this forums will proclaim him as the next Shane Bond and start abusing selectors for not selecting him

[ind_hyd1]

What are the speeds of  Pakistan bowlers in the test versus bangladesh

[Sgattick10]

12 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Cummins was v.quick when he made his debut and even after injury he did nt lose much pace. All 3 Aus pacers have cut down their pace for longevity and work load.

This is the longest serving trio of fast bowlers of Aus cricket.

 

Cummins and then there was another bowler (forgetting his name) were both v.qucik able to hit 150 kmph 

 

Starc came is as ~140 kmph bowler but with time he kept increasing his pace and in last 3/4 years he has slowed down as the 2 other Aus pacers for the same reason   longevity and workload. They have been playing all big games/tournaments in all 3 format.

 

If any1 has such a long career they wont remain 145+ kmph bowler for ever. Only Akthar and Lee were able to do so. Now what wood is doing is something special coming after injury being 30+ yo and getting quicker every season is never seem before

 

 

 

 

 

 

James Pattinson

[Lone Wolf]

Nahid bowling quick again 148.5k