Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[singhvivek141]

19 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No captain can sustain a fast bowler  who leaks runs too. Ishant Sharma's greatest abilities were staying fit and  bowling 20 plus overs in a day at reasonable economy.

 

The spinners  provide cover for fast bowlers in India.But once they reach in SENA, they don't get the cover and tests are lost in day when they keep leaking boundary or more  per over.

Ishant's economy and accuracy couldn't save us during 0-8 drubbing.
During 2011-12 Australia tour, an erratic Umesh Yadav had more impact than economical Ishant Sharma, who simply didn't pick up enough wickets and failed to provide any support to Zak and Umesh. Another accurate candidate Vinay Kumar became a laughing stock post that game in Perth.
Ishant only became really effective when his pace, skill and accuracy came together from 2017 onwards. 

I am not saying that line and length isn't important. But that can be improved upon, it's in our control. Natural pace isn't, either you have it or you don't. And if you don't, then you either have to be exceptional in your art or carry a secondary skill.

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

He said bowl at pace but be accurate,inaccuracy too won't lead you anywhere

That is why Tyagi and Umran have struggled,they are way too inaccurate especially Tyagi

Yes. India genuine quicks get carried away and try too many things thinking they have pace they can get away but that doesn't happen.

[putrevus]

9 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Ishant's economy and accuracy couldn't save us during 0-8 drubbing.
During 2011-12 Australia tour, an erratic Umesh Yadav had more impact than economical Ishant Sharma, who simply didn't pick up enough wickets and failed to provide any support to Zak and Umesh. Another accurate candidate Vinay Kumar became a laughing stock post that game in Perth.
Ishant only became really effective when his pace, skill and accuracy came together from 2017 onwards. 

I am not saying that line and length isn't important. But that can be improved upon, it's in our control. Natural pace isn't, either you have it or you don't. And if you don't, then you either have to be exceptional in your art or carry a secondary skill.

 

I understand where you are coming from .I agree pace cannot be taught .The mindset needs to be changed in two ways. Selectors/media  cannot be thinking only trundlers  can be accurate plus fast bowlers need to develop mindset , bowling fast without any control is useless too.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

46 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Ishant's economy and accuracy couldn't save us during 0-8 drubbing.
During 2011-12 Australia tour, an erratic Umesh Yadav had more impact than economical Ishant Sharma, who simply didn't pick up enough wickets and failed to provide any support to Zak and Umesh. Another accurate candidate Vinay Kumar became a laughing stock post that game in Perth.
Ishant only became really effective when his pace, skill and accuracy came together from 2017 onwards. 

I am not saying that line and length isn't important. But that can be improved upon, it's in our control. Natural pace isn't, either you have it or you don't. And if you don't, then you either have to be exceptional in your art or carry a secondary skill.

Ishant was not accurate at that point in time(2011) He was constantly overpitching and getting driven.

 

His accuracy improved a lot around 2015 when all of our bowlers improved after some biomechanics work. I think some Saffer coach worked with them.

 

He was hitting good length harder and more often and getting more bounce, seam and swing than any of our other bowlers 

 

[MK55]

I think Ishants transformation took place when he started bowling fiery spells at high pace.

 

I remember how excited I got when he bowled like a maniac with long hair against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka making those comical faces in early 2016 lol.

Edited October 1 by MK55

[tapandrun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0fgeUCnE2o&ab_channel=cricket.com.au

 

Steve waugh explaining how eng preferes consistent bowlers over match winners.

[Mosher]

Shami has injured his knee and will most likely miss BGT.

https://crictoday.com/cricket/news/india-suffer-injury-blow-as-mohammed-shami-picks-up-knee-injury-ahead-of-border-gavaskar-trophy-2024/

 

[putrevus]

Wow, Shami's news is very bad news.Siraj's bowling is impotent, who is there to shoulder the burden.

 

Was he not there to repair his ankle,now he has issues with knees. He is getting old.

[Suhaan]

5 hours ago, Mosher said:

Shami has injured his knee and will most likely miss BGT.

https://crictoday.com/cricket/news/india-suffer-injury-blow-as-mohammed-shami-picks-up-knee-injury-ahead-of-border-gavaskar-trophy-2024/

 

Shami should inject his some testeronic fluids into his injured parts he may heal.faster for we need him asap for Aussie as Siraj has gone mad

@express bowling always talks about the prowess of Shamis hormonal chromosomal strength

Edited October 2 by Suhaan

[Gollum]

Harshit time? Blood him against NZ, else Mukesh/Avesh/Khaleel will come to haunt us.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Harshit time? Blood him against NZ, else Mukesh/Avesh/Khaleel will come to haunt us.

 

Bumrah

Harshit

Akashdeep 

Ashwin

Jaddu 

 

Problem would arise if it's a turning track and they can't play 3 quicks. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Harshit time? Blood him against NZ, else Mukesh/Avesh/Khaleel will come to haunt us.

One among Mukesh Prasidh will be there.

Edited October 2 by Lone Wolf

[Mosher]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

One among Mukesh Prasidh will be there.

Gutkesh most likely . Prasidh hasn't bowled well in recent domestic games. Harshit can get in. He has performed well and hope he performs in T20's too, that will push his selection.

[Lone Wolf]

13 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Gutkesh most likely . Prasidh hasn't bowled well in recent domestic games. Harshit can get in. He has performed well and hope he performs in T20's too, that will push his selection.

Shami claiming fake news

 

[vishalvirsingh]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:02 AM, express bowling said:

Akashdeep hits the batter's gloves with a 139 k snorter. 

i remember when i was hit by an opening bowler on my fingers and gloves . i had a RED NAIL after that and then i could hardly bat and got out soon.

Point i wish to make is fast bowlers SOFTEN a BATSMAN by hitting him and after that they get him OUT.

[vishalvirsingh]

On 10/1/2024 at 12:04 PM, express bowling said:

 

True. But Akashdeep impressed too apart from Harshit. 

 

And it is partially due to the fact that Mayank, Sen snd Umran were all missing due to rehab / illness. 

exactly AKASH, Harshit, sen , Umraan , Mayank are all SPECIAL and I have hopes that PRASIDH will get back into full form ( 3/4th Length and good line) and 137 to 145k Speed. His height of 6 5" can be very helpful in australia if he gets back his form.

YASH and arshdeep are not suited for TEST cricket, i consider KHALEEL better for long form of cricket.

i have a feeling that HARSHIT and MAYANK are going to IMPRESS in the t20's against BANGLA and may get ticket to Australia and chance against NEWZEALAND too. already they have said that MAYANK will be brought into odi and tests too but slowly.

[tweaker]

5 wicket haul for Mukesh

[tapandrun]

If rana does well in the t20 series will he be selected in NZ test series ?? and if he does well there too will he be a head of siraj for bgt ??

[tapandrun]

On 10/1/2024 at 9:37 AM, Nikhil_cric said:

Ishant was not accurate at that point in time(2011) He was constantly overpitching and getting driven.

 

His accuracy improved a lot around 2015 when all of our bowlers improved after some biomechanics work. I think some Saffer coach worked with them.

 

He was hitting good length harder and more often and getting more bounce, seam and swing than any of our other bowlers 

 

Ishant ahd many phases to his bowling career, its like 3/4 different bowlers.

 

1. when he 1st got in and toured Aus he was getting fast , touching 150 kmph.

2.They he became way ward not a single ball will hit the stumps, bowling rubbish whole day

3.Then he became a sub 135 bowler who can hold off-stump line

4.Then he became economical and some 1 who can bowl longer spells

5.At the end of his career he gained back some speed and was hitting upto 144 kmph when needed of him

 

 

 

[Need4Speed]

3 hours ago, tapandrun said:

If rana does well in the t20 series will he be selected in NZ test series ?? and if he does well there too will he be a head of siraj for bgt ??

if he is selected for NZ series then..it will make things interesting..

however..see our bowlers..

1-Boom

2-Siraj

3-Akashdeep

 

4 fast bowlers:

if Rana makes the cut..then he can only play if we play 4 fast bowlers..that means..we have a long tail..unless..he convinces TM he can bat like Shardul :D..

Hence you see why Shardul had so mych value..and why Nitish Kumar Reddy has a good chance too..if not in BGT but in 1/2 years..if he improves soon enough..

 

3 fast bowlers:

A)one of Siraj or Akashdeep has to be dropped..or B) Boom takes rest..

 

No need to discuss about B)

 

in case of A) it will be unfair to drop Akashdeep..and if they drop Siraj..it will be a bold decision for their sake..then in that case Rana is already ahead of Siraj :D