Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Lone Wolf]

6 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

think age grp is increased to u25

CK Naidu is U23 for 2024

[Mosher]

39 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Looks tall too.

 

Start of his run up reminds me of Tyagi.

Yes bro. That was the 1st thing that came to my mind when I saw his run-up.

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, Mosher said:

Yes bro. That was the 1st thing that came to my mind when I saw his run-up.

hope he is more accurate and fitter than him

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

@express bowling another potential express pacer SRH eyeing him

 

Starts like Tyagi, action is like Saini.

Don't seem like 145...more of late 130's

[Lone Wolf]

33 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Starts like Tyagi, action is like Saini.

Don't seem like 145...more of late 130's

More on this guy... From Rajouri & recommended by Samad 

 

[tapandrun]

10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

More on this guy... From Rajouri & recommended by Samad 

 

nt sure if these are same guy but in other yt video does not look that tall:

 

 

[vishalvirsingh]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

Akashdeep not getting a 2nd spell yet despite picking a wicket and 53 overs are done.

 

Why pick him if captain can't trust him ?

 

 

siraj was called in for a second spell but akash was not called in for a second spell.

in australia , akash may be bowling 18 to 20 overs in a day. india A v/s australia A , manav suthar who i rate very highly is not getting any over at all as pitches in australia do not support spinners at all. i still feel washington will suceed in australia as he has capability to bowl at 110k 

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, tapandrun said:

nt sure if these are same guy but in other yt video does not look that tall:

 

 

He is around 6'2

[MK55]

Usually when we lose this badly, there’s some silver lining. This has got to be the lowest point from a pace bowling perspective.

 

Siraj proving how moronic the selectors were in wasting time and not developing other bowlers.

 

Mayank getting injured with stress fractures. Even when he came back, he looked messed up with run up change nonsense. 
 

Abject non sense and unacceptable from the coach to not give Harshit even a single game after so many months.   Also wtf is Morkel even doing?? Can’t he see even notice or sort  basic stuff such as run ups? 

 

Akash Deep is such a f downgrade over Shami and Umesh. Hes an outright trundler. Dont understand the hype. I understand to an extent as his first test showed a lot of promise. At least Siraj had a year or so where he bowled with more intensity.

 

Im sad to say but Bumrah has declined in this series and his pace ain’t the same. Question is that is this reversible?? At least to some extent? Can he even bowl at some spells with the old ball cranking it up to 145-148k in Australia?? 

Edited November 7 by MK55

[vignesh12345]

3 hours ago, MK55 said:

Usually when lose this badly, there’s some senior lining. This has got to be the lowest point from a pace bowling perspective.

 

Siraj proving how moronic the selectors were in wasting time and not developing other bowlers.

 

Mayank getting injured with stress fractures. Even when he came back, he looked messed up with run up change nonsense. 
 

Abject non sense and unacceptable from the coach to not give Harshit even a single game after so many months.   Also wtf is Morkel even doing?? Can’t he see even notice or sort  basic stuff such as run ups? 

 

Akash Deep is such a f downgrade over Shami and Umesh. Hes an outright trundler. Dont understand the hype. I understand to an extent as his first test showed a lot of promise. At least Siraj had a year or so where he bowled with more intensity.

 

Im sad to say but Bumrah has declined in this series and his pace ain’t the same. Question is that is this reversible?? At least to some extent? Can he even bowl at some spells with the old ball cranking it up to 145-148k in Australia?? 

Bumrah is now Indian. His genes have become contaminated since his injury in August 2019.

Before the injury in August 2019, he wasn't even Indian. He was a West Indian or an Australian. His balls zipped off the deck with extra bounce like he was a white guy or a black guy. 

Since the injury and return in January 2020, his genes have become contaminated and he has bowled liked a stereotypical Indian bowler - reliant on swing, full balls, and unable to obtain extra bounce and zip off the deck. Such contamination of genes is generally irreversible. 

[tapandrun]

Saw some Aus vs Pak highlights, Aus pacer looks in good form, yes not as fast as they use to be but still good enough.

Husnain (pak intnl)does not seem to have the kind of pace that yt video claimed to be hardy have touched 140 kmph.

 

 

Its not looking good for Ind in bgt with Siraj being #2 pacer and Pradish being #3/4 bowler along with Struggling batting line-up 

Edited November 4 by tapandrun

[Suhaan]

On 11/3/2024 at 1:37 PM, MK55 said:

Usually when lose this badly, there’s some senior lining. This has got to be the lowest point from a pace bowling perspective.

 

Siraj proving how moronic the selectors were in wasting time and not developing other bowlers.

 

Mayank getting injured with stress fractures. Even when he came back, he looked messed up with run up change nonsense. 
 

Abject non sense and unacceptable from the coach to not give Harshit even a single game after so many months.   Also wtf is Morkel even doing?? Can’t he see even notice or sort  basic stuff such as run ups? 

 

Akash Deep is such a f downgrade over Shami and Umesh. Hes an outright trundler. Dont understand the hype. I understand to an extent as his first test showed a lot of promise. At least Siraj had a year or so where he bowled with more intensity.

 

Im sad to say but Bumrah has declined in this series and his pace ain’t the same. Question is that is this reversible?? At least to some extent? Can he even bowl at some spells with the old ball cranking it up to 145-148k in Australia?? 

Mid level success has gone into Siraj's head and messes with it

He's not working hard,taking things lightly,also to do with mediocre supply chain

He knows longer the time pacers like Mukesh Avesh and Arshdeep are around,the better ,he's safe and secure

Noone is there in the horizon after Bumrah and selectors are equally helping him

Also,the new crop of pacers aren't interested in red ball labour they all want quick money which is what I have observed

The ones who want to play are getting grounded and are left uncapped for dear IPL franchises

Edited November 5 by Suhaan

[express bowling]

In the 2nd innings, Akashdeep bowled a fastest of 141.4 k with lots of balls above 137 k. 

 

This is closer to his normal speeds. 

 

Picked up a wicket on this turning track too. 

[tweaker]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Mid level success has gone into Siraj's head and messes with it

He's not working hard,taking things lightly,also to do with mediocre supply chain

He knows longer the time pacers like Mukesh Avesh and Arshdeep are around,the better ,he's safe and secure

Noone is there in the horizon after Bumrah and selectors are equally helping him

Also,the new crop of pacers aren't interested in red ball labour they all want quick money which is what I have observed

The ones who want to play are getting grounded and are left uncapped for dear IPL franchises

What are the Selectors for.Our superstars have big ego.If they would have been dropped after the loss in 1st test we may have seen a totally different team .

[vishalvirsingh]

53 minutes ago, express bowling said:

In the 2nd innings, Akashdeep bowled a fastest of 141.4 k with lots of balls above 137 k. 

 

This is closer to his normal speeds. 

 

Picked up a wicket on this turning track too. 

akash is definitely one of the good ones that we have.

i agree he is not an express bowler like Mayank yadav and he is always below 144k and mostly under 140k. i kind of have faith that he will bowl 135 to 145k in australia. i mean to say he is bowling perfect Line & length and at a pace which is definitely not trundling - 131 to 141.5 k in india and that will be 136 to 146k in australia.

siraj has slowed down and his swing skills also are deserting him but i just hope he gets his Skills back as Siraj can get back into form and if he does , he is dangerous.

at this stage i would call Gautan very UNLUCKY- mayank, kuldeep sen, umraan , Hardik are unfit for tests and pacers like gurnoor brar and others have not yet proved that they are good enough. on indian pitches and even in australia against weaker batting line ups- mukesh is proving that he is in form. but i kind of trust GUATAM that he is honest and he will pick up good guys , yes he may not be able to ask rohit or virat not to play a TEST but he will definitely push them to perform

[Nikhil_cric]

Shami now has a side strain. Dude's body has given up.  

[tapandrun]

6 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Mid level success has gone into Siraj's head and messes with it

He's not working hard,taking things lightly,also to do with mediocre supply chain

He knows longer the time pacers like Mukesh Avesh and Arshdeep are around,the better ,he's safe and secure

Noone is there in the horizon after Bumrah and selectors are equally helping him

Also,the new crop of pacers aren't interested in red ball labour they all want quick money which is what I have observed

The ones who want to play are getting grounded and are left uncapped for dear IPL franchises

Do not think is the case of success getting in tho his head, looks like he just lost the gas.

His pace comes from fast run and quick-arm action and looks like he has still not perfected his action where everything does comes naturally thats why there has always been peak and lows in speeds raging from 133 kmph --145+ kmph

As some suggested he has reduced the run-up and arm speed has also reduced.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 5 by tapandrun

[Suhaan]

28 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Do not think is the case of success getting in tho his head, looks like he just lost the gas.

His pace comes from fast run and quick-arm action and looks like he has still not perfected his action where everything does comes naturally thats why there has always been peak and lows in speeds raging from 133 kmph --145+ kmph

As some suggested he has reduced the run-up and arm speed has also reduced.

 

 

 

 

He still is not that old,he certainly is not working hard

Bowlers like him need long run up to,his approach to the crease is Haris Raufesque,needs more from his runup,that is where he's taking the convenient route

[tapandrun]

5 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

akash is definitely one of the good ones that we have.

i agree he is not an express bowler like Mayank yadav and he is always below 144k and mostly under 140k. i kind of have faith that he will bowl 135 to 145k in australia. i mean to say he is bowling perfect Line & length and at a pace which is definitely not trundling - 131 to 141.5 k in india and that will be 136 to 146k in australia.

siraj has slowed down and his swing skills also are deserting him but i just hope he gets his Skills back as Siraj can get back into form and if he does , he is dangerous.

at this stage i would call Gautan very UNLUCKY- mayank, kuldeep sen, umraan , Hardik are unfit for tests and pacers like gurnoor brar and others have not yet proved that they are good enough. on indian pitches and even in australia against weaker batting line ups- mukesh is proving that he is in form. but i kind of trust GUATAM that he is honest and he will pick up good guys , yes he may not be able to ask rohit or virat not to play a TEST but he will definitely push them to perform

Ind tm and selectors kept investing in low-potential even to some -extent non-intnl quality bowlers have lead into this situation. 

Are there any good bowlers who graduated from A sides or A tours ?? how many high potential bowlers played in recent duleep trophy??--2, max 3

 

Right now one has to question even the ranji system, can selectors go to ranji teams and get any proper 140+ kmph bowler who has played a atleast 2 seasons ?? -- No.

Bcci needs to put speedometer in every ranji game atleast one would know what pace the bowlers are bowling is their pace good enough for intnl cricket ??

 

The options Ind has as #3/4 bowlers are -- Saini, Mukesh, Avesh, Khaleel (he is back in reckoning just because he is LAF), A.singh, Rana, Akash deep

Edited November 5 by tapandrun

[express bowling]

Harshit Rana should have played for India A today.

 

He should have been given the opportunity to learn what lengths to bowl in Australia.