Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[singhvivek141]

35 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Is Mayank at some rehab center with expert doctors being consulted?

or is he just at home chilling?

NCA is what I heard/read.

Anyway doesn't make sense, the "expert" doctors at NCA are even pathetic than a tribal doctor.

[express bowling]

29 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

, the "expert" doctors at NCA are even pathetic than a tribal doctor.

 

They insert pins in clay models of the human form of the injury sustained and hope that it will leave the player being treated. Special treatment includes wild dancing by the doctor too after the previous treatment. 

 

Mayank is getting special treatment. 

[tapandrun]

13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

They insert pins in clay models of the human form of the injury sustained and hope that it will leave the player being treated. Special treatment includes wild dancing by the doctor too after the previous treatment. 

 

Mayank is getting special treatment. 

Seeing Mayank going Munaf's way,if he plays again then he will come as some who can touch 150ish kmph may 1-2 effort ball here or there.

Then reduce the pace to touching 145 kmph and then settling down to 140+ kmph bowler who can occasionally touch 145 kmph if able to settle down into the team. And that too in t20s, can expect further reduction in pace in ODIs and test in case he plays those formats.

 

The remedy NCA coaches,staff,doctor,etc has is reduce the pace. do not think they knw any better. they can further complicate the case but improvements.....???? are questionable. 

Edited January 11 by tapandrun

[Suhaan]

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[MK55]

https://cricket.one/cricket-news/mayank-yadav-injury-update-is-lsgs-11-crore-star-ruled-out-of-ipl-2025/67836d87e58fb45f9539b0c4
 

With the way things are going, I won’t be surprised if Mayank misses the ipl season too or probably at least half of it.

 

He hasn’t even got back to any bowling yet which means it’s some serious injury. I hope it’s not what happened to Bumrah where they kept mismanaging the injury and then eventually he had to get a surgery and miss more than a year. 
 

And what happened to that elite fast holding contract BS? At least get Umran ready by giving him opportunities. Else what’s the point of it? And here we have these morons getting back and putting their eggs on a 40 year old Shami with chronic knee problems. I don’t mind Shami but first they should start getting the next gen ready simultaneously.

[Lord]

 

[singhvivek141]

14 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

This trend was started by Lord Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. Who told he is not interested in Tests.

 

Followed by Hardik Pandya.

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

This trend was started by Lord Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. Who told he is not interested in Tests.

 

Followed by Hardik Pandya.

Deepak chahar is king of it.

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

This trend was started by Lord Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. Who told he is not interested in Tests.

 

Followed by Hardik Pandya.

Think it started with IPL itself, then superstars who rather admitting that their power game is not good enough for upcoming t20 format they deemed t20 as a format not worthy of them.

The kept bcci away for having T20I games on the series when all other teams were having couple of t20i games.

 

And when IPL came they all became the Icon player and knowing that they can score some runs as it is not a full intnl cricket and winning is not essential and it start fresh every season.

 

Now there are bunch of player who know they are not good enough fr Intnl cricket and/or they would need to work alot harder to get to Intnl level, these player have taken it easy are good with playing IPL, some are even content getting IPL contract they do not care if they play a single game in a season.

 

Some understood the cycle of slection and picking of player by IPL teams like if there LAF start doing well then some of these domestic LAF would have chance to be picked by IPL team.

If leg-spinner start getting success at intnl level some domestic leg-spinner have chances at IPL.

 

Its reluctance towards test cricket amongst the newer player is nt only with Ind player but its with every1 , Alastair cook once said he would not like his son to be a test player. There is no mony in playing test cricket, there is no future after that no one wants a coaches who are not upto modern day cricket, they do not add much to commentary when they have not played the format themselves.

 

They can do anything but test is a doomed format, there is no uptake amongst the player, the player who are not good enough for modern day white-ball cricket are opting as test cricket as their last choice, audiences have never liked this format ever since ODI came in. The only way to be selected in intnl cricket team now id through the league cricket, get into t20i side perform there get to ODI side and may be get into test side if there is any opening or a spot. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vishalvirsingh]

6 hours ago, MK55 said:

https://cricket.one/cricket-news/mayank-yadav-injury-update-is-lsgs-11-crore-star-ruled-out-of-ipl-2025/67836d87e58fb45f9539b0c4
 

With the way things are going, I won’t be surprised if Mayank misses the ipl season too or probably at least half of it.

 

He hasn’t even got back to any bowling yet which means it’s some serious injury. I hope it’s not what happened to Bumrah where they kept mismanaging the injury and then eventually he had to get a surgery and miss more than a year. 
 

And what happened to that elite fast holding contract BS? At least get Umran ready by giving him opportunities. Else what’s the point of it? And here we have these morons getting back and putting their eggs on a 40 year old Shami with chronic knee problems. I don’t mind Shami but first they should start getting the next gen ready simultaneously.

BCCI has loads of money, i am kind of sure that some MISMANAGEMENT is happening regards Mayank.

 

if he is required to be flown to some other part of the world and he gets better treatment - DO it....he can become a BOOM level bowler , he has the ingredients to become a demon bowler- r they serious about him or they want to spoil his career like Varun aroon and to certain extent Umesh yadav's career was.

 

i trust both these guys should have played along with ZAK and the in between trundlers except BHUVI were never required to represent India.

from my perspective bhuvi was the only trundler who had the skills to play for india - all others no....

zak ,irfan ,srinath ,shammi ,ishant, boom were good enough to represent india, even venky, manoj prabhakar and even kapildev should have been dropped after his leg injury.

 

[vignesh12345]

India will never dominate cricket like Australia. if at all they become best, it will be only through spin bowling and batting. 

[Need4Speed]

2 hours ago, vignesh12345 said:

India will never dominate cricket like Australia. if at all they become best, it will be only through spin bowling and batting. 

chomu BCCI

[Need4Speed]

On 1/11/2025 at 12:58 PM, tapandrun said:

Seeing Mayank going Munaf's way,if he plays again then he will come as some who can touch 150ish kmph may 1-2 effort ball here or there.

Then reduce the pace to touching 145 kmph and then settling down to 140+ kmph bowler who can occasionally touch 145 kmph if able to settle down into the team. And that too in t20s, can expect further reduction in pace in ODIs and test in case he plays those formats.

 

The remedy NCA coaches,staff,doctor,etc has is reduce the pace. do not think they knw any better. they can further complicate the case but improvements.....???? are questionable. 

if they know reduce pace is the way to go about it..

why cant bcci reduce the NCA staff too due to lack of their performance and delivery too.it should help them become efficient and effective too.

[tapandrun]

24 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

if they know reduce pace is the way to go about it..

why cant bcci reduce the NCA staff too due to lack of their performance and delivery too.it should help them become efficient and effective too.

There are not many sport science experts and especially not many in cricket, they got what they got. plus there is v.less accountability.

there is v.less accountability of the cricket team forget about back-office.

 

you can build infra, throw in mony but with lack of accountability nothing produce the results, can see the quality of fast bowling in domestic cricket that Ind has to travel to Aus with 1 bowler making his debut another bowler returning after injury that too not having exp. of playing much of test or 4-day cricket, thy completely risked the only top draw bowler they had. Ind does not have a bowler in domestic cricket that they can say okay you are going to aus and play in 11 and we trust in your skills to perform in those conditions with 28 or more teams they can not get a stop-gap high quality domestic test bowler with experience.

 

There was fast bowling contract given to 5 fast bowler who does not feature in any series domestic, A, emerging tours nowhere..., they just randomly picked five guys to fill every criteria.

 

How can they lose so many fast bowlers -- Mavi is bowling sub 135 kmph, nagarkothi hardly played anything apart from this season, umran, mayank, sen, tyagi, etc.

rt now there should be emergency call-out to all 140+ kmph  bowler to a special camp, tell them you are the ones we are looking for next 5/6 years, will give you chances in domestic, A tours, ind side and we need you to work on that direction, keep the strength and conditioning and fitness at top level and you are going to get picked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tapandrun]

On 1/11/2025 at 12:46 PM, Nikhil_cric said:

Once again, the lack of bounce in the Indian attack was exposed just like it was in South Africa 2020-21.

 

Apart from Bumrah, 52 % of our bowlers' deliveries were in the 5-8 m region but they could only get 16 wickets at 36 ish. 

 

Australian seamers bowled similar lengths to take 38 wickets at 24.

 

And Bumrah has the highest release height in our first choice attack anyway.

 

We need taller seamers. There's just no 2 ways about it. 

 

Everybody is sub 2m release height range. 

There are v.few options, ind messed up with the selection and promotion of fast bowler in last 3/4 years.

 

Its time to fast-track few bowlers, no need to waste time with Avesh, mukesh,  Chahar, etc....

 

 

[Need4Speed]

4 hours ago, tapandrun said:

There are not many sport science experts and especially not many in cricket, they got what they got. plus there is v.less accountability.

there is v.less accountability of the cricket team forget about back-office.

 

you can build infra, throw in mony but with lack of accountability nothing produce the results, can see the quality of fast bowling in domestic cricket that Ind has to travel to Aus with 1 bowler making his debut another bowler returning after injury that too not having exp. of playing much of test or 4-day cricket, thy completely risked the only top draw bowler they had. Ind does not have a bowler in domestic cricket that they can say okay you are going to aus and play in 11 and we trust in your skills to perform in those conditions with 28 or more teams they can not get a stop-gap high quality domestic test bowler with experience.

 

There was fast bowling contract given to 5 fast bowler who does not feature in any series domestic, A, emerging tours nowhere..., they just randomly picked five guys to fill every criteria.

 

How can they lose so many fast bowlers -- Mavi is bowling sub 135 kmph, nagarkothi hardly played anything apart from this season, umran, mayank, sen, tyagi, etc.

rt now there should be emergency call-out to all 140+ kmph  bowler to a special camp, tell them you are the ones we are looking for next 5/6 years, will give you chances in domestic, A tours, ind side and we need you to work on that direction, keep the strength and conditioning and fitness at top level and you are going to get picked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sums it up!

[Suhaan]

8 hours ago, tapandrun said:

How can they lose so many fast bowlers -- Mavi is bowling sub 135 kmph, nagarkothi hardly played anything apart from this season, umran, mayank, sen, tyagi, etc.

rt now there should be emergency call-out to all 140+ kmph  bowler to a special camp, tell them you are the ones we are looking for next 5/6 years, will give you chances in domestic, A tours, ind side and we need you to work on that direction, keep the strength and conditioning and fitness at top level and you are going to get picked.

India allows far more pacers to go trundler route/decrease pace for longevity(because of poor coaches,bio mechanics,workload analysts,nutritionists,)than SENA pacers

Nor they care either as if pacers like Bumrah,Shami,Umesh,Ishant have been sent by God's

They are part of the system,they come from there itself for every pacer we perhaps loose 4 pacers due to poor infra and management

They don't look at the bigger picture,they only do it that too for a brief period when situation gets horrible

Once the weather gets fair,they again start ignoring it,the cycle goes on and one

We wait for miracles not efforts and planning

Edited January 13 by Suhaan

[tapandrun]

16 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

India allows far more pacers to go trundler route/decrease pace for longevity(because of poor coaches,bio mechanics,workload analysts,nutritionists,)than SENA pacers

Nor they care either as if pacers like Bumrah,Shami,Umesh,Ishant have been sent by God's

They are part of the system,they come from there itself for every pacer we perhaps loose 4 pacers due to poor infra and management

They don't look at the bigger picture,they only do it that too for a brief period when situation gets horrible

Once the weather gets fair,they again start ignoring it,the cycle goes on and one

We wait for miracles not efforts and planning

At this point it looks like selectors and bcci has some kind of agenda against faster bowler, domestic is stacked with sub 135 kmph bowlers, any1 tries to bowl fast they are ridiculed, once they go for some runs they donot play the next game even when the other bowlers too went for runs.

 

Sub 140 kmph bowler make into A or emerging side, there should be some reason behind it. ..... And its not  like 1/2 TM every tm are like this apart from Kolhi and Shastri

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[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, tapandrun said:

At this point it looks like selectors and bcci has some kind of agenda against faster bowler, domestic is stacked with sub 135 kmph bowlers, any1 tries to bowl fast they are ridiculed, once they go for some runs they donot play the next game even when the other bowlers too went for runs.

 

Sub 140 kmph bowler make into A or emerging side, there should be some reason behind it. ..... And its not  like 1/2 TM every tm are like this apart from Kolhi and Shastri

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I used to sometimes laugh when people said BCCI don't want to treat pacers and batsmen in equal terms for they fear their darling batsmen will be ignored by fans

But there seems no other reason perhaps they get inputs from suppastaa batsmen getting beaten/hurt by new pacers their ego in well fed by BCCI and state boards

[vignesh12345]

Australia's cricketing dominance shall never be repeated.

There will never be a repeat of Mcgrath, Warne, Gillespie and express pace LEE