Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[tapandrun]

18 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

India has been producing tall fast bowlers for quite some time. But coaches like Dravid used to say that we don't have any advantage of tall fast bowlers.

 

Sen, Simarjeet, Harshit, Prasidh, Tyagi, Yudhvir, Mayank...so many pacers are 6.1 or above and can clock 140+ speed. 

 

Mohsin, Vidwath Kaverappa, Umar Nazir, Arshdeep, Khaleel, Himanshu, Akashdeep are tall but dont have that much pace. But they are still serviceable enough.

 

Umran, Mukesh Choudhary aren't that tall but have skillsets. One has extreme pace with decent accuracy on line, other has ability to move the bowl at a skiddy pace.

 

It's upto BCCI now to ensure these bowlers don't fall off the track. 

 

Yes, but no investing in rt. personal. Intnl sports is about producing and investing x-factor players. Run of the mill player does not cut out.

Yes some run of the mill can make it big but they are super hardworking and have a lot of smarts.

 

Inplace of investing in high potential bowlers Ind  kept on investing low potential bowlers in last 3/4 years that got to a place that Ind have been playing with just 1 fast bowler in t20is and had to take 3 bowler who had less than 5 test to aus for a series of 5 tests.

 

Agree with every name on the list mentioned. Some of these bowlers should be told that they have to pulll their socks. Think kahleel, tyagi , mohsin have been talking it lightly and are good and confortable  being picked by some side in IPL , they are not pushing hard for Ind call-up.

 

Take khaleel he is only few LAF in Ind who has height and got the ingredients have been in Ind cricketing system yet he is not making anything out of it. When Arash is nt playing he should be the 1st person Ind should go for but he does not look intnl quality often.

 

Yudhvir should have been tried in t20is already, bowls 140 kmph, tall hits the wkt hard, can contribute with bat batting at 8/9/10, looked a committed fielder in deep.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tapandrun]

On 2/6/2025 at 5:38 AM, express bowling said:

Harshit. 149 kph in his debut ODI

 

After the 151 k in his debut T20I.

 

 

 

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Thats the difference between rana and krishna both are essentially same bowlers, yes rana has shown the smarts but rana is constantly bowling 140 -145 kmph.

Krishna does not bowl close to 145 kmph regularly or even 140 kmph regularly hence he is not that effective.

 

Ind pacer does not know what is their best pace bracket to be effective or they take is v.lightly 

[singhvivek141]

54 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Thats the difference between rana and krishna both are essentially same bowlers, yes rana has shown the smarts but rana is constantly bowling 140 -145 kmph.

Krishna does not bowl close to 145 kmph regularly or even 140 kmph regularly hence he is not that effective.

 

Ind pacer does not know what is their best pace bracket to be effective or they take is v.lightly 

There is a vast difference in their mental skill though.

 

Harshit in his limited career has shown that he has the mental strength to bounce back from the lows, Prasidh on the other hand still bowls nervously. I am not worried about a young bowler going for runs as long as he has the self belief in himself. Shardul, Shami, Bumrah too were similar when started.

 

Harshit is younger, fitter comparatively and stronger as well...kinda like Umesh Yadav. Though he need to get rid of some extra fat. Prasidh has injury concerns and need to seriously muscle up a bit. Its not easy to sustain 140-145 kph with that physique.

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

There is a vast difference in their mental skill though.

 

Harshit in his limited career has shown that he has the mental strength to bounce back from the lows, Prasidh on the other hand still bowls nervously. I am not worried about a young bowler going for runs as long as he has the self belief in himself. Shardul, Shami, Bumrah too were similar when started.

 

Harshit is younger, fitter comparatively and stronger as well...kinda like Umesh Yadav. Though he need to get rid of some extra fat. Prasidh has injury concerns and need to seriously muscle up a bit. Its not easy to sustain 140-145 kph with that physique.

if pradish does not bowl 142+ kmph regularly he is not the bowler team would want. Then all he is doing is bowling just 1 length and not the pace for that length.

It would be chest height bouncer ball after ball, not many top batter would find it hard to get 4s not leave the ball which they  donot want to play

To be effective his kind bowling he needs to be close to 145 kmph pace bracket

 

Just for an example take Naseem when he was bowling in 145 bracket he was a different bowler, seeming in and out. Nw he looks ordinary bowler as he is hardly bowling 140+ consistently

 

Edited February 8 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

Saw some pak vs nz highlights, rourke was bowling 140+ consistently hitting bat hard and getting bounce, keeper was standing deep on an easy pace and easy bounce wkt.

Was bit expensive for the match but good pace and carry on relatively easy wkt

 

[singhvivek141]

12 hours ago, tapandrun said:

if pradish does not bowl 142+ kmph regularly he is not the bowler team would want. Then all he is doing is bowling just 1 length and not the pace for that length.

It would be chest height bouncer ball after ball, not many top batter would find it hard to get 4s not leave the ball which they  donot want to play

To be effective his kind bowling he needs to be close to 145 kmph pace bracket

 

Just for an example take Naseem when he was bowling in 145 bracket he was a different bowler, seeming in and out. Nw he looks ordinary bowler as he is hardly bowling 140+ consistently

 

You're correct. But Prasidh has slowed down.

 

I remember when he debuted in 2021 he was easily clocking 140-147kph effortlessly against England & WI. But he isn't putting that much effort these days, though he can still bowl 136-143k..but very few delieveries above 144-145. 

 

Bowlers actually will bowl quicker if you pair them with a faster one. As they will feel the heat. Shami has always bowled quicker if he has to bowl alongside Umesh & Bumrah, while when we pair him with Bhuvi and he will oscillate in 136-141 range.

[Suhaan]

10 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Saw some pak vs nz highlights, rourke was bowling 140+ consistently hitting bat hard and getting bounce, keeper was standing deep on an easy pace and easy bounce wkt.

Was bit expensive for the match but good pace and carry on relatively easy wkt

 

tall  SENA bowlers tend to hit the pitch hard to extract whatever little bounce is there especially against SC sides

They use shoulder more

[express bowling]

Sharp bouncing indipper from Harshit hits Salt in the midriff.

Edited February 9 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Harshit 144.3 k outswinger to LHB.

 

Play and miss.

 

142 k later in the over.

Edited February 9 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Gavaskar is the only Indian commentator in this panel who promotes Indian quicks and their pace.

[express bowling]

Shami bowling 131 tk 138 k in his first 3 overs.

 

His usual zip off the deck is missing too.

[singhvivek141]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Shami bowling 131 tk 138 k in his first 3 overs.

 

His usual zip off the deck is missing too.

Pitch is garbage.

Low & variable bounce.

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Gavaskar is the only Indian commentator in this panel who promotes Indian quicks and their pace.

 

While Murali Karthick is taking sly digs at quick bowlers and their pace. Saying, " too much of it ( pace ) and too predictable and you will get slaughtered ".

Edited February 9 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

While Murali Karthick is taking sly digs at quick bowlers and their pace. Saying, " too much of it ( pace ) and too predictable and you will get slaughtered ".

Pitches are the biggest culprit.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Pitch is garbage.

Low & variable bounce.

 

Shami of 2015 to 2023 was a master of slow and low pitches with variable bounce.

 

Bowled skiddg quick stump directed balls with some seam movement and mixed this with some suddenly bouncing balls which became difficult to handle due to variable bounce. 

 

This 130 to 140 k avatar of his is looking innocuous like Philander in Asia.

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Pitches are the biggest culprit.

 

True.

[express bowling]

Harshit getting regular seam movement. Hitting the bat / body hard too.

 

But needs to target the stumps regularly on such a slow and low pitch.

 

 

[express bowling]

Shreyas drops Duckett's catch off a Harshit bumper. 

[Lord]

43 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Shami bowling 131 tk 138 k in his first 3 overs.

 

His usual zip off the deck is missing too.

 

He hit 141. Pace is okay. Zip is missing due to the pitch. Hope we see him bowl under lights next game

[express bowling]

43 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

He hit 141. Pace is okay. Zip is missing due to the pitch. Hope we see him bowl under lights next game

 

 

Mostly mid 130s. 

 

Shami, even in 2023, was hovering around the 139 or 140 k mark in ODIs with fastest of 143 / 144 k.

 

Zip off the deck used to be more on slower decks too.