Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

SENA countries mostly favour tall bowlers.

 

Its the problem with Asian countries where tall bowlers don't get much purchase in the domestics and hence arent considered (unless they do well in IPL or have some x factor).

 

Unless, Indian domestic system find a way to reduce the dependency on swing and produce bouncy pitches, tall bowlers will have to fight the odds to get selected.

Teams moved away from v.tall high release bowlers because of no-ball and introduction that bowlers can not ball above head height which almost crushed fast bouncy bowlers. Then the emergence of pak bowlers who were tall but not v.tall they were fast and came up with reverse swing.

 

there was no need to have extra bounce, think this was the reason wi moved away from v.tall high release bowlers. Impact of pak bowler and reverse swing with new rules around no-ball.

 

And now with t20 right now only non-hitable ball is show bouncer bowled by v.tall bowler , plus if bowler has extra bounce they can still be v.effective in dew condition batters are already stuggling to drive due to extra bounce and then add skiddiness 

Edited February 25 by tapandrun

[Mariyam]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah is good 5-6 years away from retiring. Has good fitness levels too.

To CT khel kyu nahi rha hai?

[singhvivek141]

52 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Teams moved away from v.tall high release bowlers because of no-ball and introduction that bowlers can not ball above head height which almost crushed fast bouncy bowlers. Then the emergence of pak bowlers who were tall but not v.tall they were fast and came up with reverse swing.

 

there was no need to have extra bounce, think this was the reason wi moved away from v.tall high release bowlers. Impact of pak bowler and reverse swing with new rules around no-ball.

 

And now with t20 right now only non-hitable ball is show bouncer bowled by v.tall bowler , plus if bowler has extra bounce they can still be v.effective in dew condition batters are already stuggling to drive due to extra bounce and then add skiddiness 

I think quality was also not that good in between
England tried Chris Tremlett and Steve Finn, both were avg. We had Ishant and Pankaj, SA tried Nel & Morkel (Morkel was decent), quality was definitely not upto the level of Ambrose, Garner.
Only Australia has been able to produce good tall pacers courtesy of their strong domestics...McGrath, Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins, Boland all are 6.2 and above.

[Vk1]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I think quality was also not that good in between
England tried Chris Tremlett and Steve Finn, both were avg. We had Ishant and Pankaj, SA tried Nel & Morkel (Morkel was decent), quality was definitely not upto the level of Ambrose, Garner.
Only Australia has been able to produce good tall pacers courtesy of their strong domestics...McGrath, Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins, Boland all are 6.2 and above.

Short or avg height bowlers need to be special to become great bowlers.. 6'3 bowlers can be decent and still end up with good returns. Likewise for batsmen. I am hoping we produce really tall batsmen in the coming years.

[express bowling]

Australia and South Africa always prefer very tall pacers and so did the WI when they were a great team.

 

Jansen

Starc 

Ngidi

Hazlewood 

Burger

Rabada 

Cummins

 

All these current day Australian and SA pacers are very tall. 

 

[express bowling]

20 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

 

as far as Rana is concerned..whatever is the result..I am happy he is getting good learninge xperience..as we need to groom him..

 I am sure he will develop some good wrist position\flick of the wrist  to generate outward movement too to make him effective in PP.and even work on his yorkers for death as well..

 

 

Even now Harshit gets seam movement both ways when he bowls good length / back of a length at full pace, after the first 4 overs.

 

In the first 4 overs ( his first 2 overs ) he goes for swing at lesser pace and bowls just inswingers. 

 

Needs to practice his yorkers more as he has the pace and indip to make it lethal. 

[express bowling]

On 2/24/2025 at 9:49 AM, singhvivek141 said:

Whatever little I saw 

 

1. Pace is up and down...sometimes he will bowl an entire over in 140-146, next over he will bowl 130-135. Siraj type vibes

 

 

One difference with Siraj is that Siraj bowls quick in some matches and medium pace in others.

 

While Harshit, till now, has bowled 145 k in some spells and 135 k in others in some matches. And typically, this has happened on slower or sluggish pitches in LOIs.

 

I get the feeling that he is not sure of bowling flat out on such slow pitches in LOIs except with the semi new ball. 

 

In red ball cricket, he needs to play more FC matches to enable him to bowl more spells at full pace. 

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Australia and South Africa always prefer very tall pacers and so did the WI when they were a great team.

 

Jansen

Starc 

Ngidi

Hazlewood 

Burger

Rabada 

Cummins

 

All these current day Australian and SA pacers are very tall. 

 

was talking in regards to bowlers like orourke and rana, think this is only kind of pace bowling style that can counter dew conditions and not letting easy drives flicks.

against a bowler like them drives and flick are cut down, batter would need to play cuts and pulls. And if you really look not many batters plays cut these days and when they play it its in the air and pull and hooks will always remain a high risk shot.

And with dew on pitch the ball will skid giving less time for batter.

 

Plus with such bowler add surprise yorkers and then that slow bouncer which is the only delivery batter are finding hard to hit. 

Edited February 25 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

One difference with Siraj is that Siraj bowls quick in some matches and medium pace in others.

 

While Harshit, till now, has bowled 145 k in some spells and 135 k in others in some matches. And typically, this has happened on slower or sluggish pitches in LOIs.

 

I get the feeling that he is not sure of bowling flat out on such slow pitches in LOIs except with the semi new ball. 

 

In red ball cricket, he needs to play more FC matches to enable him to bowl more spells at full pace. 

Yeah, possibly that maybe the reason. He is still learning the tricks so maybe going a bit conservative when he starts (or maybe coaches ask him to go light with the new ball).

 

Although, I hope that Harshit will work on it and sort out the optimum pace. As in general Harshit is more accurate when he is quick. He started as a new ball bowler in FC/List A and bowls quick with the new ball as well, his USP is sharp movement in to the batter and even a delivery which straightens at 142-145k as well can hit the wickets or take the edge to the keeper.

[Suhaan]

10 hours ago, Mariyam said:

To CT khel kyu nahi rha hai?

Waise hi jaise Cummins,Starc, Hazalwood, Coetzee,Nortje nahi khel rahe hain

[tapandrun]

10 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I think quality was also not that good in between
England tried Chris Tremlett and Steve Finn, both were avg. We had Ishant and Pankaj, SA tried Nel & Morkel (Morkel was decent), quality was definitely not upto the level of Ambrose, Garner.
Only Australia has been able to produce good tall pacers courtesy of their strong domestics...McGrath, Hazelwood, Starc, Cummins, Boland all are 6.2 and above.

Think smarter teams will go back to v.tall high release bowlers seeing this with NZ all are v.tall 3/4 bowlers with v.high release. This is the only kind of bowling which is effective on these flat wkts and if they have good control even dew becomes helpful, add a yorker from high release and plus cummins style slow bouncer do not think batter can get into any power stance against that may be some kind of reverse ramp but that too is v.high risk

[Need4Speed]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Even now Harshit gets seam movement both ways when he bowls good length / back of a length at full pace, after the first 4 overs.

 

In the first 4 overs ( his first 2 overs ) he goes for swing at lesser pace and bowls just inswingers. 

 

Needs to practice his yorkers more as he has the pace and indip to make it lethal. 

so in short will improve as he gets more games under his belt and comfort level improves..

[tapandrun]

9 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

so in short will improve as he gets more games under his belt and comfort level improves..

he needs to work on fitness, sort pp bowling. rest looks good.

only bowler in recent induction who does not look run of the mill, has brains and wkt taking ability

[Frustrated]

When our CT squad was finalised, there was too much criticism on why they went with 4 spinners.  But looking at how Dubai pitches have behaved, it's quite obvious that spinners (especially in the middle overs ie 11th to 40th over) are going to be the deciding factor in every game.  There is no lateral movement for pacers even with the new ball.  So, playing 3 genuine pacers (who are a liability with the bat) makes no sense.  Our overall squad selection (unlike Pak) has been spot on, considering the resources available. 

[Chamsi]

Breaking News, Eden Apple Tom bowling 140 km/h peaches

[Suhaan]

22 minutes ago, Chamsi said:

Breaking News, Eden Apple Tom bowling 140 km/h peaches

Launda ko bahut dhunda maine ,aj aaya

[Mosher]

21 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Launda ko bahut dhunda maine ,aj aaya

Yeah. Looks like Kerala were hiding him lol.

[Mosher]

Watched one over. Eden's build is like Nagarkoti. Thin wiry and not that tall. Skiddy pace with good outswingers.

[express bowling]

In his 2nd spell. Eden was bowling 130 k to 140 k. 

 

Decent line and length.

 

Was trying to hit the deck. Tried some decent bumpers too.

 

As @Mosher bro said, he looks wiry and is probably not too tall.

 

 Not too exciting ATM but he is just 19. 

[rkt.india]

On 2/25/2025 at 11:07 AM, Mariyam said:

To CT khel kyu nahi rha hai?

He has work load related injury, stress injury and not a fitness related one. Good fitness helps come back well after an injury.  If a bowler can bowl 150 overs in a test series taking most wickets, then certainly has good fitness levels. Fitness levels refers to bowling fitness and able to be effective.

Edited February 27 by rkt.india