Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, vayuu1 said:

No I don't think Kamboj is a trundler if u are judging him on the basis of ranji speeds then u are wrong,i  think he bowls at lively pace 

In test cricket, he will mostly operate in 130-135 range which is trundling. He is not 6'4. But England is a place where trundlers can pick wickets with new ball if they bowl well.

Edited July 23, 2025 by rkt.india

[vayuu1]

22 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

In test cricket, he will mostly operate in 130-135 range which is trundling. He is not 6'4. But England is a place where trundlers can pick wickets with new ball if they bowl well.

On what basis is this assumption being made I am curious to know  as he is yet to bowl a single ball 

Edited July 23, 2025 by vayuu1

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, vayuu1 said:

On what basis is this assumption being made I am curious to know  as he is yet to bowl a single ball 

He bowls 132-138 in T20s. So only going to be slower than that in tests.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

He bowls 132-138 in T20s. So only going to be slower than that in tests.

 

Kamboj bowled 132 k to 142 k in this IPL.

 

I was going through Hawkeye ball by ball and saw quite a few overs where 2 to 3 balls were at 140 k / 141 k.

 

I expect 127 k to 138 k type speeds in tests from him. 

[express bowling]

18 hours ago, rkt.india said:

In England, pace alone doesn't work unless you are 150+ with control. If he can move the ball around 135 with accuracy, he can do the job.

 

Currently, we have only 2 pacers, Bumrah and Harshit, who can regularly trouble batters with pace in red ball cricket. [ Shami did too till 2023 but unlike to do so any more ].  Siraj may qualify only when he bowls flat out. 

 

If extra pace is missing among other pacers, I would rather choose tall, accurate pacers who get a bit of bounce and seam movement.

 

Kamboj would interest me only if he gets bounce from time to time ( like I saw in some of his videos ). 

 

He must hit the pitch hard and extract life, even if he is releasing thd ball at an average pace of early 130s. Can't afford to be floaty.

 

Kamboj is around 6'3" or 6'2" and so there is some potential regarding bounce if he puts in the effort.

 

Angling the ball in and seaming the ball away zippily, has been one of the key weapons of Indian pacers. Hope he is good regarding using angles. 

 

 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Kamboj would interest me only if he gets bounce from time to time ( like I saw in some of his videos ). 

 

He must hit the pitch hard and extract life, even if he is releasing thd ball at an average pace of early 130s. Can't afford to be floaty.

 

Kamboj is around 6'3" or 6'2" and so there is some potential regarding bounce if he puts in the effort.

 

Angling the ball in and seaming the ball away zippily, has been one of the key weapons of Indian pacers. Hope he is good regarding using angles. 

 

 

 

This is the bounce I was talking about from Kamboj  [ in the video below ]

 

Want to see it in this test.

 

 

 

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @Lone Wolf, @rkt.india, @tapandrun, @rollingstoned

Edited July 24, 2025 by express bowling

[rollingstoned]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

This is the bounce I was talking about from Kamboj

 

Want to see it in this test.

 

 

 

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @Lone Wolf, @rkt.india, @tapandrun, @rollingstoned

I had said he could be a poor man's - or maybe even more - Kyle Abbott for us who got bounce and seam movement but wasn't express. Very good bowler but didn't play much for Saf because of Kolpak rule. 

[express bowling]

5 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

I had said he could be a poor man's - or maybe even more - Kyle Abbott for us who got bounce and seam movement but wasn't express. Very good bowler but didn't play much for Saf because of Kolpak rule. 

 

Unless a pacer can bowl atleast 135 k to 145 k / 147 k with zip off the deck in tests [ like Bumrah, Shami, Umesh ], pace won't make much difference.

 

Pacers operating in the 130s must have accuracy + either bounce or skid off the deck.

 

Medium height Akashdeep is skiddy.

 

Tall Kamboj must aim for steep bounce and bowl with effort. Hit the deck hard. Otherwise he will be a nothing bowler.

Edited July 24, 2025 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Currently, we have only 2 pacers, Bumrah and Harshit, who can regularly trouble batters with pace in red ball cricket. [ Shami did too till 2023 but unlike to do so any more ].  Siraj may qualify only when he bowls flat out. 

 

If extra pace is missing among other pacers, I would rather choose tall, accurate pacers who get a bit of bounce and seam movement.

 

Kamboj would interest me only if he gets bounce from time to time ( like I saw in some of his videos ). 

 

He must hit the pitch hard and extract life, even if he is releasing thd ball at an average pace of early 130s. Can't afford to be floaty.

 

Kamboj is around 6'3" or 6'2" and so there is some potential regarding bounce if he puts in the effort.

 

Angling the ball in and seaming the ball away zippily, has been one of the key weapons of Indian pacers. Hope he is good regarding using angles. 

 

 

Kamboj is 6'1 at best

[express bowling]

33 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kamboj is 6'1 at best

 

Kamboj was standing beside Prasidh yesterday and looked marginally taller.

 

He is either 6'3" or 6'2" or somewhere in between.

Edited July 24, 2025 by express bowling

[RAZPOR]

22 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Kamboj was standing beside Prasidh yesterday and looked marginally taller.

 

He is either 6'3" or 6'2" or somewhere in between.

how old is he?  , if he is young there is always a chance to work on pace &  bowl around 138-142 thats good enough with his height imo

Edited July 24, 2025 by RAZPOR

[Suhaan]

43 minutes ago, RAZPOR said:

how old is he?  , if he is young there is always a chance to work on pace &  bowl around 138-142 thats good enough with his height imo

Irrespective of his official age he looks older but then Northies do look older than their true age

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

This is the bounce I was talking about from Kamboj  [ in the video below ]

 

Want to see it in this test.

 

 

 

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @Lone Wolf, @rkt.india, @tapandrun, @rollingstoned

 

Have seen him in emerging cup and IPl but not much, he seems to be fairly accurate but has tendency to drift few balls into batter legside.

In IPl he was bowling mid to high 130s and 1-2 effort ball touching 141-142 kmph. As suggested by others he will be bowling early to mid 130s in tests. They all look similar - Avesh, Mukesh, Anshul.

 

They were billing him as allrounder where he can hardly bat so he has some backing.

 

Looked like a version of Munaf who would be accurate but still bowl some bad balls.

 

Edited July 24, 2025 by tapandrun

[Vk1]

In extreme overcast conditions time and again we pick two spinners..  2019 SF.. bglr test against NZ.. this series  

[Forward Defence]

Kamboj doesn't look very good so far.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, RAZPOR said:

how old is he?  , if he is young there is always a chance to work on pace &  bowl around 138-142 thats good enough with his height imo

 

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[express bowling]

Kamboj has floated the ball up so far. 

 

Not bowling with effort.

 

Poor lines too.

[express bowling]

Bumrah bowling around 7 kph slower than earlier tests.

 

No zip so far.

 

Poor lines too.

[tweaker]

Kamboj.130 k

[tweaker]

Kamboj 133 k