Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[rkt.india]

24 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

In Indian conditions it's easier to bowl back of a length and still hit the stumps or get lbws,outside Asia such lengths become too defensive unless you get the batsman to edge the ball.

That's just a perception. Half volley will go for runs everywhere.

[Rightarmfast]

38 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

That's just a perception. Half volley will go for runs everywhere.

Back of a length not equal to half volley!

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Back of a length not equal to half volley!

He was talking about Saini bowling full length, not back of length. Back of length or even good length ball is fine.

[rkt.india]

45 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

??

Full length is half volley. It's the good length that works everywhere in tests even in India.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

In Indian conditions it's easier to bowl back of a length and still hit the stumps or get lbws,outside Asia such lengths become too defensive unless you get the batsman to edge the ball.

 

Not talking about back of a length but proper good length.

 

In Asian conditions, a pacer may have to bowl on the shorter side of good length to hit the stumps ... but outside Asia he may have to bowl on the fuller side of good length to hit the stumps. Maybe some balls on the shorter side of full length.

 

Saini sometimes starts bowling fuller side of full length in Asia too.

 

 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, MultiB48 said:

I  prefer  agressive length pacers if he is young,most young pacers aren't patient nor accurate.They are better of trying wicket taking ball ,if they don't get wickets they will struggle to maintain discipline and bowl like experienced pacers.

 

If a pacer is hitting the top of off stump then it is the perfect aggressive length.

 

Moreover, a good pacer cannot have a floaty full ball. Both Bumrah and Shami can bowl full without being floaty.

 

 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

That's too high a bar .If you are bowling full then every ball can hit the stumps if you aren't straying in line,if he has pace and can just straighten the odd ball then that's good enough. Though if you keep bowling full you will be picked for runs specially on flat wickets,but a couple of wickets can change everything.Difference between s/r of 100 and 50 is only 1 wicket taking ball.

 

Outside of matches in England OR when the ball is reversing, show me a pacer who keeps bowling full and keeps picking lots of wickets.

 

Without consistent swing, almost all full deliveries get driven.  (  Only the wide and full sucker ball, after a series of shorter deliveries work as a part of a setup on occasions  )

 

And Saini has the worst full delivery among all top Indian pacers when he is going for conventional swing. Not talking about yorkers.

 

P.s -- Hitting the top of off stump, or somewhere close, is not that difficult for professional bowlers. Which is why it has been benchmarked as the target ball.

Edited February 15, 2020 by express bowling

[Malcolm Merlyn]

We may play 4 fast bowlers, if Jadeja is the no.7 AR.

Cant play two spinners.

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[Vilander]

10 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

We may play 4 fast bowlers, if Jadeja is the no.7 AR.

Cant play two spinners.

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Some one needs to roll their arm over amoung the rest. 

[express bowling]

Ishant playing.

 

Is he really match fit and what would happen if he breaks down !!

 

Is a semi fit Ishant better than a fit Saini  ?

[Suhaan]

30 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Ishant playing.

 

Is he really match fit and what would happen if he breaks down !!

 

Is a semi fit Ishant better than a fit Saini  ?

A semi fit Ishant is definitely better than "bowl at the legs"Umesh anyway

But hey dont name Saini here,he is miles behind Umesh , according to some

[Forward Defence]

Rabada bowling at 147

[vishalvirsingh]

on the first day ..pitch was green, if the pitch is like that we can also roll the new zeland team under 160.

 

ishant can also get dangerous bounce and shammi n bumrah could run through newzealand.

[Rightarmfast]

Ishant and Bumrah were not getting their lengths right. It was almost like they kept on experimenting for the right length. Ishant in particular looked like there were times he could get the line right, but more often he did not. 

I thought it was silly not to let Shami open the bowling. He hurries on to the batsmen and whenever he has the ball in his hand, it looks like something could give way. Kohli needs to understand that its not written in stone Ishant has to take the new ball. I see too much of tried and tested pattern which the captain is too scared to deviate from or experiment. 

 

One of the other things I do not understand is, why is it that the slip fielders and wk are not proactive. A couple of times, the catches did not carry. Now, I understand you cant keep changing your position based on each delivery, but I dont see why they cant come 2 steps up and see how it goes for a few overs.

[Gollum]

Slip cordon take its lead from the keeper. Unfortunately keeper here isn't Saha, so everyone is a couple of steps back. 

[Rightarmfast]

9 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Slip cordon take its lead from the keeper. Unfortunately keeper here isn't Saha, so everyone is a couple of steps back. 

Captain needs to step in and dictate. I think it should be the captains call. Other thing is, this is a problem which has plagued India for year.s

[Gollum]

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

Captain needs to step in and dictate. I think it should be the captains call. Other thing is, this is a problem which has plagued India for year.s

Not when Saha was keeper. I remember how against Aus in the 2017 home series our cordon was so close that sometimes we were slow to react rather than ball not carrying. Commentators made this point in the Dharamsala test when Nair dropped Warner on day 1, session 1. 

[Rightarmfast]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Not when Saha was keeper. I remember how against Aus in the 2017 home series our cordon was so close that sometimes we were slow to react rather than ball not carrying. Commentators made this point in the Dharamsala test when Nair dropped Warner on day 1, session 1. 

I take your word for it. Although I dont recall.

[express bowling]

What speeds have Bumrah and Shami bowled at ?

[express bowling]

Ishant dismisses Latham.

 

Very next ball ... hits Williamson on the gloves with a rising snorter. He had to get treatment