Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[singhvivek141]

5 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Add 6 to 7K - thats what his reading will show on an international speedometer. domestic speedometers show at least 6 to 7K low. if Saini is bowling 143k, he is touching 150K actually. is kaverappa is 135K in domestic matches , he is 142K in international and he can improve.

I had the same thought, but after watching the spell of Kaverappa live...I doubt he is touching 140's...as in comparison to Prasidh (who is as tall as Kaverappa) he is visibly slower.

 

Kaverappa was as quick as Unadkut..who was around 130 and bowls at same pace in internationals.

[Suhaan]

46 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

 

Sani-His time is gone now

Dayal- Not sure if he is intnl. quality.

 

Very less thoughts are given in selecting the promoting fast bowlers. Looks like noting changed under Agarkar as well

They don't have any clue about others,the data analyst operating in domestics are also freeloaders,they too don't have many names beyond the ones which are floating already besides there are some 'given' selections for eg Nagarwala,Mukesha etc they keep floating

Agarkar and co. hasn't put any effort to look beyond the regulars

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I had the same thought, but after watching the spell of Kaverappa live...I doubt he is touching 140's...as in comparison to Prasidh (who is as tall as Kaverappa) he is visibly slower.

 

Kaverappa was as quick as Unadkut..who was around 130 and bowls at same pace in internationals.

 

Unadkat was bowling 127 k to 136 k / 139 k in tests.

[singhvivek141]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Unadkat was bowling 127 k to 136 k / 139 k in tests.

Ye Kab hua ?

When I saw he was oscillating from 128 to 134.

I was like, he touched 134..now he will trundle at 120 to compensate for that extra effort.

[express bowling]

13 hours ago, Suhaan said:

They don't have any clue about others,the data analyst operating in domestics are also freeloaders,they too don't have many names beyond the ones which are floating already besides there are some 'given' selections for eg Nagarwala,Mukesha etc they keep floating

Agarkar and co. hasn't put any effort to look beyond the regulars

 

Harshit Rana and Kuldeep Sen are known names too.

 

Both play the IPL.

 

Sen has played a ODI .. been a net bowler in the Asia Cup.

 

Harshit played in the Emerging Asia Cup.  Plus his batting has grabbed eyeballs. 

 

The 4 pacers chosen are 1 per zone 

 

Saini .. North

Akashdeep .. East

Kaverappa .. South

Dayal .. Central  + Left arm quota 

Saurashtra is West Zone.

 

Basically quota picking going on. 

 

One good thing is there are no short medium pacers.  And 3 of the 4 pacers are either fast or fast medium. 

Edited October 3, 2023 by express bowling

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Ye Kab hua ?

When I saw he was oscillating from 128 to 134.

I was like, he touched 134..now he will trundle at 120 to compensate for that extra effort.

 

He bowled quite a few at 137 k to 139 k in Bangladesh. 

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Harshit Rana and Kuldeep Sen are known names too.

 

Both play the IPL.

 

Sen has played a ODI .. been a net bowler in the Asia Cup.

 

Harshit played in the Emerging Asia Cup.  Plus his batting has grabbed eyeballs. 

 

The 4 pacers chosen are 1 per zone 

 

Saini .. North

Akashdeep .. East

Kaverappa .. South

Dayal .. Central  + Left arm quota 

Saurashtra is West Zone.

 

Basically quota picks going on. 

 

One good thing is no short medium pacers.  And 3 of the 4 pacers are either fast or fast medium. 

IPL is mostly for entertainment,I don't think they remember any uncapped performer

The evidence is there,which proves my allegations

Offcourse there are exceptions,but bowlers are mostly ignored

Umran had express pace which had him pushed  leapfrogging his competitors,but he was dropped like a fly out of milk later

You need a Donald like coach or mentor to prepare breeding ground for next crop of genuine pacers

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

IPL is mostly for entertainment,I don't think they remember any uncapped performer

The evidence is there,which proves my allegations

Offcourse there are exceptions,but bowlers are mostly ignored

Umran had express pace which had him pushed  leapfrogging his competitors,but he was dropped like a fly out of milk later

You need a Donald like coach or mentor to prepare breeding ground for next crop of genuine pacers

 

Kuldeep Sen took 8 wicketd in the last Irani Cup.  Dropping him just shows that the selectors are not objective.

 

And Harshit Rana was a big performer with the ball in the last Ranji season and scored a century too.

Edited October 3, 2023 by express bowling

[MediumPacer]

12 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

If he doesnt have inward movement to lefty..in that case he may come round the wkt..and try to occasionally cut the bowl so it moves away from the leftie..and mix straight angled bowls in between..

He does get inward movement but that's not enough.

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Kuldeep Sen took 8 wicketd in the last Irani Cup.  Dropping him just shows that the selectors are not objective.

 

And Harshit Rana was a big performer with the ball in the last Ranji season and scored a century too.

Once a newcomer is dropped his comeback becomes stiff no matter how well he does in the meantime

Recent record of selectors across criy associations and NS indicates that

[MediumPacer]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Kuldeep Sen took 8 wicketd in the last Irani Cup.  Dropping him just shows that the selectors are not objective.

 

And Harshit Rana was a big performer with the ball in the last Ranji season and scored a century too.

Kuldeep didnt play Ranji last year

 

 

 

all wicket takers

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/ranji-trophy-2022-23-14934

 

mp bowlers

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/ranji-trophy-2022-23-14934?team=1992

 

 

 

He could have been picked in place of saini who didnt play last season either but on this pitch he would have had similar returns as saini ,no need for pacers in such conditions they are a waste of space.

Edited October 3, 2023 by MediumPacer

[Need4Speed]

6 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

He does get inward movement but that's not enough.

okay..need to keep working..atleast he has height and accuracy..to begin with

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

Kuldeep didnt play Ranji last year

 

 

 

all wicket takers

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/ranji-trophy-2022-23-14934

 

mp bowlers

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/ranji-trophy-2022-23-14934?team=1992

 

 

 

He could have been picked in place of saini who didnt play last season either but on this pitch he would have had similar returns as saini ,no need for pacers in such conditions they are a waste of space.

See this, 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/irani-cup-2022-23-1332469/saurashtra-vs-rest-of-india-1332470/full-scorecard

 

It was also on Rajkot, the same pitch where you say pace won't help.

On the same flat pitch, Sen was able to take out the life courtesy of his pace and bounce..Mukesh was economical while Umran bowled as an enforcer.

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by singhvivek141

[MediumPacer]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

See this, 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/irani-cup-2022-23-1332469/saurashtra-vs-rest-of-india-1332470/full-scorecard

 

It was also on Rajkot, the same pitch where you say pace won't help.

On the same flat pitch, Sen was able to take out the life courtesy of his pace and bounce..Mukesh was economical while Umran bowled as an enforcer.

 

Chalk and cheese,that one was one of quickest pitches in domestic cricket although it wouldn't be that quick by international standards.

[singhvivek141]

22 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

Chalk and cheese,that one was one of quickest pitches in domestic cricket although it wouldn't be that quick by international standards.

It wasn't quick, maybe some help for initial 5-6 overs due to cool weather, but post that it was a complete patta in first inns. Not as spin friendly as this one but was still a patta pitch.

It took herculeaun effort by pacers to take wickets once new ball shine was gone, you have to be quick in air. Mukesh wasn't and hence he struggled with old ball..Sen & Umran were quick enough to beat the batsman with pace.

 

Rajkot, by nature is always a patta pitch, a graveyard for quick bowlers. Only way to succeed here is maintain line & length and wait for the batters to make mistake (something which Saurashtra bowlers are exceptional at)...Sen destroyed that notion with his ferocious bowling, he leaked few runs but was always at the ribs of the batters. I watched few of his overs and he was in a different zone, equally devastating with new & old ball both.

[Nikhil_cric]

16 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Ye Kab hua ?

When I saw he was oscillating from 128 to 134.

I was like, he touched 134..now he will trundle at 120 to compensate for that extra effort.

Recently in Bangladesh. Not his average speed but top end. 

[express bowling]

Arshdeep Singh went at almost 11 runs an over against rookie Nepal.

 

Not a good sign for a bowler who has become a T20I regular for us. He is getting hit regularly in the last few months, even against minnows. 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2023 by express bowling

[MediumPacer]

11 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

It wasn't quick, maybe some help for initial 5-6 overs due to cool weather, but post that it was a complete patta in first inns. Not as spin friendly as this one but was still a patta pitch.

It took herculeaun effort by pacers to take wickets once new ball shine was gone, you have to be quick in air. Mukesh wasn't and hence he struggled with old ball..Sen & Umran were quick enough to beat the batsman with pace.

 

Rajkot, by nature is always a patta pitch, a graveyard for quick bowlers. Only way to succeed here is maintain line & length and wait for the batters to make mistake (something which Saurashtra bowlers are exceptional at)...Sen destroyed that notion with his ferocious bowling, he leaked few runs but was always at the ribs of the batters. I watched few of his overs and he was in a different zone, equally devastating with new & old ball both.

That pitch had lots of moisture and grass ,it was damp and slow early on and helped likes of mukesh , later it dried up and got harder and quicker and helped kuldeep.

 

Again all of this by Indian standards, it wasn't as quick or bouncy as Perth or gabba at their quickest.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Arshdeep Singh went at almost 11 runs an over against rookie Nepal.

 

Not a good sign for a bowler who has become a T20I regular for us. He is getting hit regularly in the last few months, even by minnows. 

 

 

Arshadeep since long has a habit of serving juicy fulltosses in his last two overs

His pace also doesn't allow him to be effective in last overs

[Suhaan]

42 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

That pitch had lots of moisture and grass ,it was damp and slow early on and helped likes of mukesh , later it dried up and got harder and quicker and helped kuldeep.

 

Again all of this by Indian standards, it wasn't as quick or bouncy as Perth or gabba at their quickest.

You are again talking for a complete change,it can't happen

We have to entirely change our doctrine to lay such pitches