'AB de Villiers is going to be more popular than Sachin Tendulkar'

[express bowling]

Sachin's ability to play genuine pace and genuine spin on challenging tracks was better than ABDV. During his peak years, he did not have the super bats that batsmen like ABDV have now.

ABDV is a better ODI batsman than Sachin.

In tests, Sachin is still better than ABDV.

[cric_fan]

AB is a monster

[CG]

Not only did AB save a test and score quick runs to help his team win a series in Aus , but he was also the best Test batsman at home when South African batsmen were destroyed by Mitchel Johnson . He averaged 56 in that series loss.

IMO , He is a better player of fast bowling than sachin ever was.

Just look at the quality of fast bowlers abdv faced and compare that to sachin u will get the answer.90's is regarded as one of the best decades for fast bowling.Imo the bowling standard was best of alltime.

Edited November 3, 2015 by CG

[putrevus]

AB isn't even close to Amla as a test batsman, and we have comparisons with Bradman going on...

How is Amla better test batsman than AB, AB played one fourth of his tests purely as wicket keeper and still has  same average as Amla.

When all formats are combined AB is better than Amla.

Edited November 3, 2015 by putrevus

[Asim]

Whether or not he will be more popular but he will/already is wayyy more Effective...!!!

[vvvslaxman]

To digress Sreesanth has dismissed AB 5 times in 9 matches!! Just knew.

[BlueBee]

To digress Sreesanth has dismissed AB 5 times in 9 matches!! Just knew.

Same can be said about Sachin who was Cronje's bunny

[beetle]

My  six year old is a big ABDV fan.

[rising]

If ABD was Indian definitely he would have been more popular than Sachin by now  he is better player then Sachin in 20/20 or ODI which more  watched format  although Sachin is better batsmen  with Technique ABD is more of athlete and more exiting too watch  

If I was given choice to watch ABD best innings and Sachin  best innings live I would go for ABD  because its going to be more exiting 

[Laaloo]

If ABD was Indian definitely he would have been more popular than Sachin by now  he is better player then Sachin in 20/20 or ODI which more  watched format  although Sachin is better batsmen  with Technique ABD is more of athlete and more exiting too watch  

If I was given choice to watch ABD best innings and Sachin  best innings live I would go for ABD  because its going to be more exiting 

ABD is definitely more 'exiting' than Sachin that's for sure

[New guy]

If ABD was Indian definitely he would have been more popular than Sachin by now  he is better player then Sachin in 20/20 or ODI which more  watched format  although Sachin is better batsmen  with Technique ABD is more of athlete and more exiting too watch  

If I was given choice to watch ABD best innings and Sachin  best innings live I would go for ABD  because its going to be more exiting 

Sachin scored a 20 something ball 50 in the an exhibition 20/20 in the 80s. Are you really suggesting that Desert storm, etc was not super exciting during their time? Sachin too redefined cricket in his time, just because times have changed you cannot compare one with another. You are comparing AB in his prime with Sachin of a couple of years ago. 

[New guy]

Whether or not he will be more popular but he will/already is wayyy more Effective...!!!

Aapke effectiveness ka definition thoda different hai shayad. Sachin ka one of the criticism was he scored great first innings 100 in ODIs which won matches but not 2nd innings and same can be said for AB. And in both their cases often it is their team letting them down

[jusarrived]

 

 

There will hardly be any body more talented than tendulkar.Natural talent be it hand eye coordination or time to play fast bowlers or ability to play on backfoot or front foot,Technique against spin.Sachin is vastly superior to Most only lara comes close ,

AB is a freak . I never thot I will see a batsmen who would have more time to play a shot than Tendulkar did , in that regard only hes better . Otherwise Sachin is more correct and complete batsmen . 

Lara was attractive , talented and good to watch but his game was not versatile like Sachin or AB .   

[jusarrived]

Whether or not he will be more popular but he will/already is wayyy more Effective...!!!

AB is only effective when there is no pressure on . He hasnt done enough in Test cricket , in ODIs all his good innings are batting first & hes a flop in T20 internationals . 

[putrevus]

Sachin's ability to play genuine pace and genuine spin on challenging tracks was better than ABDV. During his peak years, he did not have the super bats that batsmen like ABDV have now.

ABDV is a better ODI batsman than Sachin.

In tests, Sachin is still better than ABDV.

What genuine pace bowlers did Sachin face and what were his stand out knocks against them  fast pitches in 1990s.

He never scored 100 when both Walsh and Ambrose played together in four tests.He played five tests scored one hundred when both Pollock and Donald played but in same match 4 other hundreds were scored including one by Azhar.

He played four tests against Waqar and Wasim for his Chennai 100.It is not like Sachin was tormented by 1980s WI pacemen throughout his career.

Compare Steve Waugh , he had  to play 23 tests with both Walsh and Ambrose scored 4 hundreds, 14 tests with both Pollock and Donald scored 2 hundreds, 7 tests with both Akram and Waqar.Steve Waugh was not better player but he had to play more against the best fast bowlers together in 1990s.

Sachin played great Australian team once in 1999 and scored one hundred, he did well in that series. 

Spinners I don't think any spinners have dominated Indian batsmen in India except Swann and Panessar.

Sachin was a great player but like Kapil Dev said he did not full fill his potential as he never learnt to dominate by scoring big hundreds.

Another excuse thrown out for Sachin "yea but Sachin played with weak teams " no Sachin played with one of strongest batting line ups in home conditions, which along with Sachin never found a way to support its weaker bowling when playing overseas.

Edited November 3, 2015 by putrevus

[zen]

Sachin's ability to play genuine pace and genuine spin on challenging tracks was better than ABDV. During his peak years, he did not have the super bats that batsmen like ABDV have now.

ABDV is a better ODI batsman than Sachin.

In tests, Sachin is still better than ABDV.

Not so long ago people used to say Sachin is a better batsman in ODIs, Lara is a better batsman in Tests .... 

[TheWall]

ABDV is far far far better than entire paki players from past present and future put together

[HippoSucks]

What genuine pace bowlers did Sachin face and what were his stand out knocks against them  fast pitches in 1990s.

He never scored 100 when both Walsh and Ambrose played together in four tests.He played five tests scored one hundred when both Pollock and Donald played but in same match 4 other hundreds were scored including one by Azhar.

He played four tests against Waqar and Wasim for his Chennai 100.It is not like Sachin was tormented by 1980s WI pacemen throughout his career.

Compare Steve Waugh , he had  to play 23 tests with both Walsh and Ambrose scored 4 hundreds, 14 tests with both Pollock and Donald scored 2 hundreds, 7 tests with both Akram and Waqar.Steve Waugh was not better player but he had to play more against the best fast bowlers together in 1990s.

Sachin played great Australian team once in 1999 and scored one hundred, he did well in that series. 

Spinners I don't think any spinners have dominated Indian batsmen in India except Swann and Panessar.

Sachin was a great player but like Kapil Dev said he did not full fill his potential as he never learnt to dominate by scoring big hundreds.

Another excuse thrown out for Sachin "yea but Sachin played with weak teams " no Sachin played with one of strongest batting line ups in home conditions, which along with Sachin never found a way to support its weaker bowling when playing overseas.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;player_involve=10280;player_involve=1765;player_involve=1775;player_involve=1884;player_involve=1924;player_involve=1935;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2101;player_involve=2166;player_involve=2228;player_involve=2286;player_involve=4073;player_involve=47154;player_involve=5649;template=results;type=batting

[express bowling]

What genuine pace bowlers did Sachin face and what were his stand out knocks against them  fast pitches in 1990s.

He never scored 100 when both Walsh and Ambrose played together in four tests.He played five tests scored one hundred when both Pollock and Donald played but in same match 4 other hundreds were scored including one by Azhar.

He played four tests against Waqar and Wasim for his Chennai 100.It is not like Sachin was tormented by 1980s WI pacemen throughout his career.

Compare Steve Waugh , he had  to play 23 tests with both Walsh and Ambrose scored 4 hundreds, 14 tests with both Pollock and Donald scored 2 hundreds, 7 tests with both Akram and Waqar.Steve Waugh was not better player but he had to play more against the best fast bowlers together in 1990s.

Sachin played great Australian team once in 1999 and scored one hundred, he did well in that series. 

Spinners I don't think any spinners have dominated Indian batsmen in India except Swann and Panessar.

Sachin was a great player but like Kapil Dev said he did not full fill his potential as he never learnt to dominate by scoring big hundreds.

Another excuse thrown out for Sachin "yea but Sachin played with weak teams " no Sachin played with one of strongest batting line ups in home conditions, which along with Sachin never found a way to support its weaker bowling when playing overseas.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;orderby=default;player_involve=10280;player_involve=1765;player_involve=1775;player_involve=1884;player_involve=1924;player_involve=1935;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2101;player_involve=2166;player_involve=2228;player_involve=2286;player_involve=4073;player_involve=47154;player_involve=5649;template=results;type=batting

 

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1989-2013	200	329	33	15921	248*	53.78	29437+	54.04*	51	68	14	2058+	69	Profile
filtered	1989-2011	44	73	8	3212	241*	49.41	6284	51.11	11	13	4	420	8

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
v Australia	1999-2004	6	11	2	617	241*	68.55	1101	56.03	2	3	2	73	1
v New Zealand	2002-2002	2	4	0	100	51	25.00	179	55.86	0	1	0	15	0
v Pakistan	1989-2006	10	13	1	483	194*	40.25	964	50.10	1	2	0	58	0
v South Africa	1992-2011	15	28	3	1161	169	46.44	2348	49.44	5	3	2	172	5
v Sri Lanka	1997-2008	6	11	1	562	143	56.20	1001	56.14	3	1	0	68	1
v West Indies	1997-1997	5	6	1	289	92	57.80	691	41.82	0	3	0	34	1
in Australia	1999-2004	6	11	2	617	241*	68.55	1101	56.03	2	3	2	73	1
in New Zealand	2002-2002	2	4	0	100	51	25.00	179	55.86	0	1	0	15	0
in Pakistan	1989-2006	10	13	1	483	194*	40.25	964	50.10	1	2	0	58	0
in South Africa	1992-2011	15	28	3	1161	169	46.44	2348	49.44	5	3	2	172	5
in Sri Lanka	1997-2008	6	11	1	562	143	56.20	1001	56.14	3	1	0	68	1
in West Indies	1997-1997	5	6	1	289	92	57.80	691	41.82	0	3	0	34	1
in Africa	1992-2011	15	28	3	1161	169	46.44	2348	49.44	5	3	2	172	5
in Americas	1997-1997	5	6	1	289	92	57.80	691	41.82	0	3	0	34	1
in Asia	1989-2008	16	24	2	1045	194*	47.50	1965	53.18	4	3	0	126	1
in Oceania	1999-2004	8	15	2	717	241*	55.15	1280	56.01	2	4	2	88	1
away	1989-2011	44	73	8	3212	241*	49.41	6284	51.11	11	13	4	420	8

Hipposucks has given some nice stats here showcasing what I was saying.

We were not comparing Sachin with Waugh here but with ABDV.

The point I was primarily making was...in the 90s the quality of bats were far inferior to what it is now.  The batting style ( pre T20s ) was much more sedate too...many shots played nowadays were not played by anybody then. In such a scenario, in TEST matches, the way Sachin dominated the bowlers and scored loads of runs for the first 13 years of his career against really good quality pace and spin was very exciting compared to most other test batsmen of that time. His tennis elbow and unwillingness to quit at the proper time changed the,way he is perceived as a batsman nowadays. ABDV...with the modern super bats and T20 ) playing experience...may seem more  destructive and exciting than Sachin in tests but, if we correct for the period factor, then that is not the case.

Sachin demolished Warne in tests played in India too during the 90s.

 

 

Edited November 4, 2015 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

SRT only faced 2 genuine fast bowlers in 90s Brett Lee and Akhtar and to some extent Donald though he wasnt as quick. Wasim and Waqar, he didnt face at their peak.