Where Kohli is better than Tendulkar

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Bhai yeh 2016 ka hai 

 

This is where the panauti started 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, Bigg Brother said:

I was also die hard bhakt in 2016.. guilty indeed 

 

My views changed in 2017 after the 2017 CT final.

[vvvslaxman]

17 minutes ago, Lord said:

Poor article even in 2016

 

Sachin definitely gave the vibes of certainty until he was there. 

 

Boland openly told after 1st innings how they plan to get him out. He did exactly that in the 2nd innings lol

[Laaloo]

On 3/23/2016 at 8:51 AM, adi B said:

Wont compare till another 3 years

How about after 9 years?

[The Hound]

Kohli's peak was so good he was touted as a top 2 ODI batsman ever along with Viv Richards. The decline after covid era ruined it though he scored 700+ runs in the last world cup. 

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, The Hound said:

Kohli's peak was so good he was touted as a top 2 ODI batsman ever along with Viv Richards. The decline after covid era ruined it though he scored 700+ runs in the last world cup. 

 

There were some quetionable statpadding tendencies in that 700 runs accumulation. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, Bigg Brother said:

I was also die hard bhakt in 2016.. guilty indeed 

And nothing wrong with that. The numbers at that time justified being a bhakt.

 

The problem (not with you, but fans in general) is - once a bhakt, always a bhakt. We cannot accept change or decline in our heroes. As it is, players' egos stand in the way of a dignified exit, but fans reinforce that self-exaltation with "kya hoga aapke bina ..." crap.

[vvvslaxman]

How is KOhli escaping from this dismissal in the ODIs? Is it because they don't bowl that wide as it could be called wide? or white ball stops swinging after 6 overs.

[Lord]

23 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

How is KOhli escaping from this dismissal in the ODIs? Is it because they don't bowl that wide as it could be called wide? or white ball stops swinging after 6 overs.

 

no swing,no slips

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

no swing,no slips

White ball swings a bit. I think they will try with 3 slips for Kohli

[StraightDrive26]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

White ball swings a bit. I think they will try with 3 slips for Kohli

White ball does not swing for long and also most of the games are D/N as well in ODIs. Matches starting in the afternoon unless they are in England/NZ etc will not have to much of swing. Even if it does it will only last for 2-3 overs. Sometimes under lights it may swing longer but it does not last as long as the red ball. In ODIs the field is also defensive and teams cannot afford 3 slips/gully etc. The pitches are flat as well so no movement off the surface to trouble Virat when the bowlers bowl back of a length. It mostly will come straight so easy to negotiate. The problem for Virat is that his ability to play spin has declined as well so basically he cannot bat in Tests in Asia as well. Even in ODIs if you look at his dismissals over the past few years, Adam Zampa and Adil Rashid have gotten him out quite a bit. He has overall declined as a player over the years but it shows more in Tests due to the pitches, attacking fields and the red ball. 

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, StraightDrive26 said:

White ball does not swing for long and also most of the games are D/N as well in ODIs. Matches starting in the afternoon unless they are in England/NZ etc will not have to much of swing. Even if it does it will only last for 2-3 overs. Sometimes under lights it may swing longer but it does not last as long as the red ball. In ODIs the field is also defensive and teams cannot afford 3 slips/gully etc. The pitches are flat as well so no movement off the surface to trouble Virat when the bowlers bowl back of a length. It mostly will come straight so easy to negotiate. The problem for Virat is that his ability to play spin has declined as well so basically he cannot bat in Tests in Asia as well. Even in ODIs if you look at his dismissals over the past few years, Adam Zampa and Adil Rashid have gotten him out quite a bit. He has overall declined as a player over the years but it shows more in Tests due to the pitches, attacking fields and the red ball. 

 

Actually he got succumbed to left arm seamers a few times. Boult, Amir. Ball catching the outer edge. Sometimes leg before or bowled.  

[Ultimate_Game]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

How is KOhli escaping from this dismissal in the ODIs? Is it because they don't bowl that wide as it could be called wide? or white ball stops swinging after 6 overs.

 

1 hour ago, StraightDrive26 said:

White ball does not swing for long and also most of the games are D/N as well in ODIs. Matches starting in the afternoon unless they are in England/NZ etc will not have to much of swing. Even if it does it will only last for 2-3 overs. Sometimes under lights it may swing longer but it does not last as long as the red ball. In ODIs the field is also defensive and teams cannot afford 3 slips/gully etc. The pitches are flat as well so no movement off the surface to trouble Virat when the bowlers bowl back of a length. It mostly will come straight so easy to negotiate. The problem for Virat is that his ability to play spin has declined as well so basically he cannot bat in Tests in Asia as well. Even in ODIs if you look at his dismissals over the past few years, Adam Zampa and Adil Rashid have gotten him out quite a bit. He has overall declined as a player over the years but it shows more in Tests due to the pitches, attacking fields and the red ball. 

 

3 hours ago, Lord said:

 

no swing,no slips

 

 

It's not as if Kohli is breaking records in shorter formats. In WT20 he was a walking wkt before he crawled to a 50 off 48 balls in the final and Bumrah had to eke out a miracle to win us the trophy. In ODIs, he was made to look like a tailender by SL.

 

In ODIs the "King" has patented a different way to get dismissed - either LBW or Bowled. Kohli has so many issues at the moment that he gets dismissed multiple ways. All the bowler has to do is be consistent with any one approach and they're bound to dismiss Kohli.

[Texan]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

 

 

 

It's not as if Kohli is breaking records in shorter formats. In WT20 he was a walking wkt before he crawled to a 50 off 48 balls in the final and Bumrah had to eke out a miracle to win us the trophy. In ODIs, he was made to look like a tailender by SL.

 

In ODIs the "King" has patented a different way to get dismissed - either LBW or Bowled. Kohli has so many issues at the moment that he gets dismissed multiple ways. All the bowler has to do is be consistent with any one approach and they're bound to dismiss Kohli.

Also, bowlers are content with his scoring rate so they may not feel too incentivized to get him out and face another batsman who may score much quicker.

[Ultimate_Game]

33 minutes ago, Texan said:

Also, bowlers are content with his scoring rate so they may not feel too incentivized to get him out and face another batsman who may score much quicker.

 

Yup, "strategic drop" is a thing and letting the "King" continue on is a valid strategy. It's not as if the so called "King: is gonna make a difference like Travis Head.

Edited January 7, 2025 by Ultimate_Game

[New guy]

7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

White ball swings a bit. I think they will try with 3 slips for Kohli

Our openers usually do a good job of seeing off the new ball. When openers grt dismissed early like CT 2017, he also goes same way.

 

Anyways as you said, more teams will try this now.

[Bigg Brother]

22 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

My views changed in 2017 after the 2017 CT final.

Yeah got to know that his "Chase mastery" is only limited to Bilaterals and in subcontinent only. 2015 SF and 2017 CT final's single digit's score were enough to convince me that this stat padder wont make India win another ODI tournament and it turned out to be true.

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, Bigg Brother said:

Yeah got to know that his "Chase mastery" is only limited to Bilaterals and in subcontinent only. 2015 SF and 2017 CT final's single digit's score were enough to convince me that this stat padder wont make India win another ODI tournament and it turned out to be true.

 

I gave him a pass for 2015 WC but 2017 is when I saw that it's not just his batting at the crunch, but even his decision making leaves a lot to be desired. E.g., deciding to bowl first on a patta and that too against Pak who're poor chasers. And 2019 WC SF simply confirmed it.

[Bigg Brother]

18 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I gave him a pass for 2015 WC but 2017 is when I saw that it's not just his batting at the crunch, but even his decision making leaves a lot to be desired. E.g., deciding to bowl first on a patta and that too against Pak who're poor chasers. And 2019 WC SF simply confirmed it.

2015 wc was big blow specially after openers had given needed platform to chase 330 on flat deck. From 2012-2015, it was all about his Chase mastery and how chasing 300 for India is cheat code with Kohli in side but he did zilch after platform was set. Then getting out twice in 3 balls in CT-17 Final..

[Lord]

30 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I gave him a pass for 2015 WC but 2017 is when I saw that it's not just his batting at the crunch, but even his decision making leaves a lot to be desired. E.g., deciding to bowl first on a patta and that too against Pak who're poor chasers. And 2019 WC SF simply confirmed it.

 

not playing Shami both games