kabira Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 and this one will be hard to break. Today he was involved in 100 run partnership for 4th time, when India was 0/1 I still wonder why he doesnt want to open?? Link to comment
head coach Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Well that's why he's called Well that's why he's called as "The Wall" One of the most consistent batsmen. As an opener Jaffer and Karthick should continue with Gambir as a backup. Give the job to the specialists I say :yeah: Link to comment
Predator_05 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Don't kid yourself about Don't kid yourself about Karthik. Sure, he has two fifties to his name so far but both of them were scored on dead pitches which offered nothing for the bowlers. I wouldn't give him a chance in hell of surviving an opening spell from Harmison or Flintoff. The guy is very loose in his strokeplay and is better as a middle order batsman than an opener. Hopefully Dravid and co. realise this and aren't lulled into a false sense of security. Bring back Sehwag and he can open alongside Jaffer. Link to comment
kabira Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 is he all time great one is he all time great one down batsman?? We always had problem with opening...never ever found consistent pair for long time...So is Dravid better than Don Bradman in this regard? Link to comment
head coach Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Quote: Predator_05 Don't kid yourself about Karthik. Sure' date=' he has two fifties to his name so far but both of them were scored on dead pitches which offered nothing for the bowlers. I wouldn't give him a chance in hell of surviving an opening spell from Harmison or Flintoff. The guy is very loose in his strokeplay and is better as a middle order batsman than an opener. Hopefully Dravid and co. realise this and aren't lulled into a false sense of security. Bring back Sehwag and he can open alongside Jaffer. [/quote'] Sure dead pitch in South Africa. Go figure... He'll take Harmison and Flintoff to the cleaners. Just watch this space until then. Bring back Sehwag(lol). I heard call for his head just few days ago and now he is being worshipped. What a poppycock! Link to comment
Predator_05 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Admit it head coach, you Admit it head coach, you never watch a ball of cricket do you ? Karthik's 50 at Cape Town was on a BENIGN, subcontinental type pitch. Especially on that first day, when it had absolutely nothing in it for the bowlers. You obviously didn't watch the match, so i don't expect you to know this. Secondly, i have always said that Sehwag is a worthless ODI batsman but in Test cricket he is still worth a shot. There is a difference. I'll leave the "worshipping" up to guys like you. Link to comment
kabira Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 Preds, To be fair on Preds, To be fair on Karthik..there was some help early on in Cape Town...which most opening batsman have to encounter... Link to comment
Predator_05 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 kabira wrote:Preds, To be Preds, To be fair on Karthik..there was some help early on in Cape Town...which most opening batsman have to encounter... That first hour. After that there was nothing in it. Balls weren't even bouncing above knee height, it was a pancake - to be fair. Karthik won't last long against guys like Harmison or Hoggard on an English pitch as he never be able to to settle down and block for hours like he did at Cape Town. Aggressive batsmen who go for their shots always prosper in England, at least that has always been the case with Indian batsmen. Link to comment
yoda Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Dravid should never open. Dravid should never open. You lose him early, you are sealed. Probability of one of the opening bowlers bowling one peach early in the innings is higher than them bowling two such. If the openers can see off the new ball and then even if you lose a wicket, you are giving your best bat a decent chance than throwing him to the new ball right away. Link to comment
kabira Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 The first hour is what most The first hour is what most of the time tough... thats what Gavaskar used to say..Give 1st hour to bowlers and next 5 hours are yours...Sehwag did that in Australia.. Karthik scored 50 on 1st day pitch in SA..It will always have something for bowler atleast for an hour...England is not much different..although it also depends on atmospheric conditions.. I would also want Sehwag to open in England..But lets not take any credit away from Karthik.. Link to comment
Predator_05 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Karthik is no Sehwag and he Karthik is no Sehwag and he sure is no Gavaskar. Trust me, no English pitch will be as bare as that Cape Town wicket was on day 1. Besides, do you want an opener who can score hundreds for you or do you want some nobody to block pointlessly for hours on end ? Link to comment
kabira Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 >Besides, do you want an >Besides, do you want an opener who can score hundreds for you or do you want some nobody to block pointlessly for hours on end ? His SR has been good...so I dont know why you say blocking pointlessly?? Link to comment
Predator_05 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I was referring to his Cape I was referring to his Cape Town innings. Link to comment
head coach Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Please watch his innings in Please watch his innings in the 20-20 match against SA. For God's sake please dont watch a ball of cricket and comment, watch the entire game and see how someone contibuted towards the team's success :shrug: Link to comment
yoda Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Quote:Karthik is no Karthik is no Sehwag Thank goodness. Link to comment
apocalypse Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 He is good at one down. No He is good at one down. No need to open Link to comment
Rahul Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 Predator_05 wrote:Don't kid Don't kid yourself about Karthik. Sure' date=' he has two fifties to his name so far but both of them were scored on dead pitches which offered nothing for the bowlers. I wouldn't give him a chance in hell of surviving an opening spell from Harmison or Flintoff. The guy is very loose in his strokeplay and is better as a middle order batsman than an opener. Hopefully Dravid and co. realise this and aren't lulled into a false sense of security. Bring back Sehwag and he can open alongside Jaffer. [/quote'] MUAHAHAHAHA. and yeah, before i fall down laffing, pls repeat that sehwag is very tight in his strokeplay, as opposed to the "very loose strokeplay" of KKD. lunfakir cant even play a decent ODI innings against minnows... thanks for the laugh. Link to comment
Rahul Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 Predator_05 wrote:kabira Preds, To be fair on Karthik..there was some help early on in Cape Town...which most opening batsman have to encounter... That first hour. After that there was nothing in it. Balls weren't even bouncing above knee height, it was a pancake - to be fair. Karthik won't last long against guys like Harmison or Hoggard on an English pitch as he never be able to to settle down and block for hours like he did at Cape Town. Aggressive batsmen who go for their shots always prosper in England, at least that has always been the case with Indian batsmen. ermm... i think u are second-guessing yrself. make up yr mind. is KKD a loose, flashy strokeplayer (who will, by yr theory, prosper on english wickets) or is he a blocker? FYI, i dont think sehwag would have lasted that first hour... he has lost his brains and will. Link to comment
MundaPakistani Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 we all know what he did when we all know what he did when he walked in at 0/1 at Rawalpindi :reddot: Link to comment
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