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Re: Salil at His Best Boss, I don't believe in discussing umpiring bias. Mistakes maybe, but not bias. Never have, never will. If a team wins a Test match, they deserve to. End of story. Pleading bias is an excuse for losing. If bias exists, we have to win despite it. Much of India's home record that you quoted, was in the era before neutral umpires, and would have disappeared in smoke had the current arrangements prevailed. We don't find ourself minimizing our proud home record, do we?

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so losing in sports means cowardice?????? and even go onto further infer cowardice in the entire countrymen is not self-loathing???????
No Gator, losing cravenly when you have the skill to win is cowardice. Not believing in yourself when the situation cries out for just that is cowardice. To let your team down through factors not beyond your control is cowardice.
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Re: Salil at His Best Am not sure how much is cowardice & how much is lack of ability. I guess its a combination of both in most of our under performances. But not attacking Paul Harris in the last innings in the 3rd test & scoring at 1.25 runs per over over a 20 over period, is surely not lack of ability. It is cowardice. Typical case of fear of failure!

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No Bumps remember the umps started the match on Day 5 under flood flights well before it was fit enuff to start ? Now when has that happened before (i.e a Test Match starting under flood lights ) in the end that extra one hour or so that they got prooved to be crucial .. not to forget the other muggings that happened on Day 5.
Here are some stats for you: 1) Day 1 (17 overs lost due to bad light) - But Saffies took the light, so this wont count. 2) Day 2: Overs bowled 53 (bad light stopped play) - 37 overs lost after Indians took the light 3) Day 3: 60 overs bowled (bad light stopped play) - 30 overs lost 4) Day 4: 61 overs bowled (bad light) - 29 overs lost 5) Day 5: Game was interrupted for a few hours. And there was threat of bad light beyond 30 mins after tea. Effectively, 96 overs were lost until Day 5 and few hours interrupted on day 5. Thats close to loss of play of 5 sessions.
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BTW there is a lot of difference between being Mugged by Harami umpires and getting on the wrong side of Weather ... one is injustice the other is a act of God over which no team has any influence ... but the facking haramis did their best to overcome even that by starting the match under flood flights. :mad:
Thats one difference, to me the bigger difference is the attitude of the respective teams. SA were desperate to win and they were sure of winning if there were 50 overs of play (Boucher's statement that 50 overs is enuff to bowl us out). We on the otherhand had a better probability of saving it. We had 8 wickets in hand, going into day 5, knowing weather & bad light would interrupt enuff play for us to just survive 50 overs to ensure a draw. We couldnt quite manage even that much. Umpiring errors or not, we would have lost that test, we deserved to lose it. There are other games, where umpiring may have made a difference, not this one.
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Re: Salil at His Best The sad thing is that even intelligent, reasonable persons would rather dwell on umpiring errors than on the fact that we simply couldn't withstand the heat. Talk about God, he gave us every chance, but we still couldn't do it, as Bumps has demonstrated. Couldn't bat out 50 miserable overs. Couldn't cross 160 in the decider. Why oh why can't you guys face reality?

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Re: Salil at His Best If u argue that umpiring errors need to be reversed, I'd argue that the bad light be reversed. If bad light is reversed, u got 96 more overs to survive, as i showed u above. Saffies would have had two FULL DAYS to bowl us out. When was the last time we batted two full days to save a test match ?

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1) Day 1 (17 overs lost due to bad light) - But Saffies took the light, so this wont count. 2) Day 2: Overs bowled 53 (bad light stopped play) - 37 overs lost after Indians took the light 3) Day 3: 60 overs bowled (bad light stopped play) - 30 overs lost 4) Day 4: 61 overs bowled (bad light) - 29 overs lost 5) Day 5: Game was interrupted for a few hours. And there was threat of bad light beyond 30 mins after tea.
So Saffies Taking bad light offer is OK and fine but Indians taking bad light offer under same conditions is bad and it puts the saffies at a disadvantage ... ? How does this logic work ?
U miss the point. Am saying Saffies taking bad light & therefore resulting in loss of overs, which they could have used to bowl us out, shouldnt be counted against the Indians. Am actually giving credit for India here. The point is on day 1, Saffies didnt know they would need the extra time come day 5 to bowl us out. Hence the loss in overs cannot be used by them as an excuse.
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