Guest dada_rocks Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Just_8_years_left_to_fight_global_warming/articleshow/2005665.cms This issue needs attention for sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way This should've started in the 1960s. But no..we Indians were just pre-occupied with feeding as many mouths as we can without thinking how India would support a population that huge in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way This should've started in the 1960s. But no..we Indians were just pre-occupied with feeding as many mouths as we can without thinking how India would support a population that huge in the long term. U might have ben sleepign that's what u had till 90 and I won't bother reporting the fall-out of that we all know how it panned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birbal3 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Dada scare mongering is right... I think China and India should reach the same economic level as Europe or USA then we can talk about Global Warming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakin Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way This is not scare mongering (I'm not saying the 8 years prediction is correct, but there isn't much time left either, the recent study shows ice is melting even faster than previously thought) perhaps you're not aware that Ind will suffer much more badly than USA or Europe whether Ind and China have reached the same economic level or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way I think China and India should reach the same economic level as Europe or USA then we can talk about Global Warming... why ? That would be laughably narrow-minded and selfish at the expense of our future generations. What you yanks don't get is there is no if and or buts in this. Economic concern, whatever it may be, is secondary and about as laughable as a man standing outside his burning house indiffrent because he cannot afford to buy water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way I think China and India should reach the same economic level as Europe or USA then we can talk about Global Warming... why ? That would be laughably narrow-minded and selfish at the expense of our future generations. What you yanks don't get is there is no if and or buts in this. Economic concern, whatever it may be, is secondary and about as laughable as a man standing outside his burning house indiffrent because he cannot afford to buy water. What are ur suggestions..What would u say to all those hungyr mouth. u are trying to save their future.. who the hell cares about future when present is fcuked.. Waise bhi India is not the biggest culprit by any stretch of imagination in this matter.. Keep in mind ur favouritte system has been tried tested and dropped for obvious utter failure so what's the solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
head coach Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way What would u say to all those hungyr mouth. u are trying to save their future.. Man you have no clue about this threat do you? Rising temperatures will cause decreases in agricultural productivity in the tropics and sub-tropics including India(areas where we already have hunger).Each global increase of 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) around the world will reduce grain yields like rice and wheat by at least 10%. Go read some books on Global warming soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way What would u say to all those hungyr mouth. u are trying to save their future.. Man you have no clue about this threat do you? Rising temperatures will cause decreases in agricultural productivity in the tropics and sub-tropics including India(areas where we already have hunger).Each global increase of 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) around the world will reduce grain yields like rice and wheat by at least 10%. Go read some books on Global warming soon! This is where I think global warming cheer-leaders have painted doomsday picture much before its time. Do u want me to put the productivity data over the years from India and show what the trend is. Every years has seen rise no matter how miniscule with an exception of here and there so how do u reconcile this with doomsday picturaization u have done. No doubt global warming is happening but my point is that can be arrested without stalling the industrializtion process. India contributes a very miniscule percentage and even in that percentage lion's share comes from inefficient burning of woods and other fuels. I was surprised to find Bihar's skyline looks darker than the rest in India . Now Bihar is anything but industrialized state so what's the culprit then. As it stands there is tradition of ghura (wet hay green wood everythign being collected and burnt during evening we call it ghura) in every house and that's what is contributing towards the black skyline. So education to this effect is welcome but am not sold on the leftist barb of whole reversal of industrialization process. Americans need to go easy no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way u are trying to save their future.. who the hell cares about future when present is fcuked.. Spoken like a truely narrow-minded fundie that you are. Who cares about the future when the present is fucked ? What kind of a moronic message is that ? That is like saying 'a 10% improvement in the present is worth it if it means 100% destruction of the future'. What would u say to all those hungyr mouth. India generates enough food to feed itself and the first thing India should do is say fack you to America and start farm subsidizing. You have no facking idea how much your maalik nation (America) is responsible for starvation and suicides in India TODAY. Waise bhi India is not the biggest culprit by any stretch of imagination in this matter.. I know. Which is good. But Indian govt. should start pouring money and emphasis into renewable sources of energy because India is booming and the energy niche must be filled. If the govt. doesnt act in the nation (and the whole WORLD's) best interests, soon India will be amongst the top 3 pollutants and then India will finish what Britain started : killing off the world through overindustrialization and zero population control dynamics. Keep in mind ur favouritte system has been tried tested and dropped for obvious utter failure so what's the solution Why do you have the urge to misrepresent me ? My 'favourite system' is a proven winner and everybody who is not a capitalism bootlicker like yourself says so- Denmark,Sweden,Norway,Holland, etc. are all stunning success stories of 'my way'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way This is where I think global warming cheer-leaders have painted doomsday picture much before its time. Do u want me to put the productivity data over the years from India and show what the trend is. Every years has seen rise no matter how miniscule with an exception of here and there so how do u reconcile this with doomsday picturaization u have done. A classic case of denial, ignorance and lack of understanding is potrayed in your above comment. First, the 'doomsday picture' may not come true in your lifetime but left unchecked, it most definitely will in your son's lifetime, provided he lives a long enough life(60+). Second, productivity in India is rising because India is relatively un-industrialized and the scope is huge. The impact of global warming is already being felt in both ecology and economy but one needs to be educated enough to see the pluses and minuses and see which ones wins out in the long term. The impact on ecology is plain to see - India is losing biodiversity at an alarming rate. The poaching of rare animals, disappearance of continuous habitat etc. are threatening even 'widespread' species like Elephants today. Duffers will say ' look at that idealistic fool- worrying about nature/animals when people are starving'. But what duffers do not know is that these very same 'animals and forests' are the engines of this world. Kill them off to feed the 200 million hungy today = everyone dies when the ecology collapses. The impact on economy is also plain to see. The most obvious industry is farming. On the surface, duffers will claim that farm productivity is increasing so all this is fear-mongering. What duffers do not know is that productivity in farming is a set of two factors : nature and practice. Nature meaning accessibility to the water table, fertility, etc etc. So while various farming practices have been improved massively, production has risen. But fertility is falling, the water table is falling and ultimately, when fertility is falling, you have a problem that is irreversable. One of the key indication of global warming is the rising salinity in the cauvery-godavery & ganges delta region. Salinity rises when water temp. rises because of better diffusion of salts. The rising sea temperature is already evident by increasing salinity in the deltaic soils in India. And i am sorry but no amount of fertilizers,manures and irrigation is going to solve the problem of salinity- salinity is the universal death knell of farmland/pastures/forests(except of mangrove variety). Widespread destruction of forestland in northern India has meant that the gangetic plain experiences a net loss of over 5 billion tonnes of top-soil everyday as the unprotected riverbanks are eroded away and wide swathes of tree-less farmlands results in loose soil cohesion ( soil cohesion is provided by deep roots from trees- known fact) and thus get lost to wind erosion. All these are categoric proof of the impending disaster facing India but only an ignorant fool in denial will look the other way. Instead, they find lesser stuff like religion and religious debates/warmingering to keep themselves occupied with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Why do you have the urge to misrepresent me ? My 'favourite system' is a proven winner and everybody who is not a capitalism bootlicker like yourself says so- Denmark,Sweden,Norway,Holland, etc. are all stunning success stories of 'my way'. they are anythign but communazi never heard some voice of opposition being curtailed there unlike ur nazi pipedream states. I know. Which is good. But Indian govt. should start pouring money and emphasis into renewable sources of energy because India is booming and the energy niche must be filled. If the govt. doesnt act in the nation (and the whole WORLD's) best interests, soon India will be amongst the top 3 pollutants and then India will finish what Britain started : killing off the world through overindustrialization and zero population control dynamics. See what can be done is afoot like jathropa tree planataion (BTW not communazi but bjp ruled chhatisgarh state is the leader here), use of mixture of ethaanol and oil as gas etc etc.. BTW not all renewable enery sources are as efficient as one makes it out to be but then it's another topic. India generates enough food to feed itself and the first thing India should do is say fack you to America and start farm subsidizing. You have no facking idea how much your maalik nation (America) is responsible for starvation and suicides in India TODAY. ALL I know since my maalik nation ( if u say so) has entered India starvation has become anachronism and don't even get me started about fruits of the semi communazi policies. Thank god it was just semi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way From Lurker's a picture is worth a thousand words thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way I was surprised to find Bihar's skyline looks darker than the rest in India . Now Bihar is anything but industrialized state so what's the culprit then. Again, nothing more than ignorance and misunderstanding that leads to views like these. Smog and air pollution due to dust/carbon particulates etc. are subject to weather patterns that causes coalescence. Vancouver produces 50 times more carbon particulates than Abbottsford ( a little town 50 km away) but Abbottsford's air quality is significantly worse. Why ? The answer is simple : the wind blowing in from the pacific blows the particulates away from vancouver and into the interior towards abbottsford, where they get opportunity to coalesce due to the mountain barrier present immediately around Abbottsford. This is a microscopic example utilizing local weather patterns but why Bihar is more polluted/sooty is easily explained by a cursory understanding of the prevailing wind patterns in the gangetic valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumble_rocks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way We need Al Gore in this debate ! :hic: Imagine coconut palms in Sweden thanks to global warming ! :hic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way they are anythign but communazi never heard some voice of opposition being curtailed there unlike ur nazi pipedream states. You have a tendency to believe what you think rather than facts. Its common knowledge that i am a socialist, not a communist and my idea of best form of governance is from the scandinavian nations, not communist states. You dimwittedly thought me to be a communazi because of your open hatred towards CPM was bordering towards ludicrous misrepresnation and deliberate over-demonisation of the organization, which is where i stepped in and corrected you. BTW not all renewable enery sources are as efficient as one makes it out to be but then it's another topic When the life of the planet is at stake, efficiency of economics is not an issue. Only narrowminded cash-hungry retards will see it that way. ALL I know since my maalik nation ( if u say so) has entered India starvation has become anachronism and don't even get me started about fruits of the semi communazi policies Err..NO. Ever since your maalik nation has entered India, starvation and farm-related suicides have become FAR more commonplace. You have no facking idea of the american pressure-induced famines and deaths in the farming sector all around India over the past few years then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way We need Al Gore in this debate ! :hic: Imagine coconut palms in Sweden thanks to global warming ! :hic: Coconut palms in sweden might sound good to you but coconut palms in sweden would mean raging-hot sahara desert conditions in your beloved Karnatak. That is how the heat equation works out, sorry to say. So be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumble_rocks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way We need Al Gore in this debate ! :hic: Imagine coconut palms in Sweden thanks to global warming ! :hic: Coconut palms in sweden might sound good to you but coconut palms in sweden would mean raging-hot sahara desert conditions in your beloved Karnatak. That is how the heat equation works out, sorry to say. So be careful what you wish for. I will move to beloved Sweden then ! :hic: Seriously though , I am with you on this one. This needs to be addressed immediately . I was actually listening to Al Gore the other day and he made lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way We need Al Gore in this debate ! :hic: Imagine coconut palms in Sweden thanks to global warming ! :hic: Coconut palms in sweden might sound good to you but coconut palms in sweden would mean raging-hot sahara desert conditions in your beloved Karnatak. That is how the heat equation works out, sorry to say. So be careful what you wish for. I will move to beloved Sweden then ! :hic: IF they let you in. I dont think Sweden will let in zillions of people fleeing India and the tropics which are now the newly formed deserts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Common knowldege is u are delusional fool. You defend marauding comunazis then very next moment ur heart bleeds for ganagsters.. u are basically lost cause. Again find mean instance of communazi behaviour whihc u defdn being perpetrated in any of those states on which u have so convenienetly ridden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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