What's the problem with the subcontinent?

[cameron_black]

all SC teams seem to be in a heap of problems these days, while all white teams seem to prosper somehow. even those NZers won a test in AUS. is there a common reason?

[Pak_Fan_4_Eva]

Not all of them are, yet :winky:

[cameron_black]

Not all of them are' date=' yet :winky:[/quote'] bashing another struggling team doesn't mean much. you've had your share of failures in the recent past.

[deathmonger]

Not all of them are' date=' yet :winky:[/quote'] Pakistan is. Don't let these recent wins fool you. Even we defeated WI twice. And before you say it's only WI remember what you guys did in WI with a full strength team.

[Pak_Fan_4_Eva]

bashing another struggling team doesn't mean much. you've had your share of failures in the recent past.

Not with this team,no. We won comprehensively on our last two overseas tours save for that draw against WI. Like I said before, this team can not be considered a failure by any measure. Let the England series end first.

[Sid]

Some Paki delusions to end next month.

[special K]

They choke outside of home conditions.

[Pak_Fan_4_Eva]

They choke outside of home conditions.

And the other teams do that in the Sub continent.:winky:

[special K]

And the other teams do that in the Sub continent.:winky:

They don't get thrashed away from home though. How often does a subcontinent side at home thrash Aus, England or South Africa? The reverse happens a lot.

[Pak_Fan_4_Eva]

Aah but thrashing is not choking. But I get your point. S.C teams, historically, have been dreadful overseas. There's no denying this fact.

[deathmonger]

Not with this team,no. We won comprehensively on our last two overseas tours save for that draw against WI. Like I said before, this team can not be considered a failure by any measure. Let the England series end first.

bangladesh and zimbabwe?

[deathmonger]

They don't get thrashed away from home though. How often does a subcontinent side at home thrash Aus' date=' England or South Africa? The reverse happens a lot.[/quote'] http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63598.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/225443.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/464518.html

[Sundar88]

Subcontinent teams play well when it matters most (World cups, Champions Trophies, world T20's) whereas most of the white teams (barring Australia) are pretenders who do reasonably well in bilateral series but flop on the world stage.

[special K]

Nice try. But apart from the England away 92/93, none of the others were thrashings. The 2-0 in Pakistan, if England had batted their 2nd innings properly in the first test would be a drawn series. Aus away back in 2010. They had India 9 down in one of those matches. Last time England toured India we made you chase 367. They way India have folded in England and now Aus, does not happen when the likes of SA, Aus and England tour the subcontinent. We usually make you earn your wins.

[deathmonger]

Subcontinent teams play well when it matters most (World cups' date=' Champions Trophies, world T20's) whereas most of the white teams (barring Australia) are pretenders who do reasonably well in bilateral series but flop on the world stage.[/quote'] hardly. england have been sucky for last two decades now. they had even become the worst team in the world, below zimbabwe in the late 90s.

[special K]

hardly. england have been sucky for last two decades now. they had even become the worst team in the world' date=' below zimbabwe in the late 90s.[/quote'] This is where India's headling now. Below Bangladesh.:om:

[special K]

Subcontinent teams play well when it matters most (World cups' date=' Champions Trophies, world T20's) whereas most of the white teams (barring Australia) are pretenders who do reasonably well in bilateral series but flop on the world stage.[/quote'] Choking when it matters and believe shits and giggles cricket counts.

[Sundar88]

They don't get thrashed away from home though. How often does a subcontinent side at home thrash Aus' date=' England or South Africa? The reverse happens a lot.[/quote'] England were thrashed 5-0 in ODI's the last two times they toured India whereas India lost a closely fought ODI series 3-4 in England in 2007. India beat England 1-0 in a 3 test series in 2007 whereas England haven't won a series of any kind in India since 1985. I cannot speak for the other subcontinent teams because I don't follow them but as far as India are concerned, they do struggle in Australia and South Africa but against England they have done better both in India and in England for a long time. In fact it's just the two recent tours against England and Australia that have been terrible for India, on their previous tours to England, South Africa and Australia they were very competitive and when they played these teams at home they beat them convincingly. As for why subcontinent teams tend to lose more matches in western countries compared to how often western teams lose in the subcontinent, it's because pitches in western countries are more result oriented whereas in the subcontinent there are more draws.

[special K]

England were thrashed 5-0 in ODI's the last two times they toured India whereas India lost a closely fought ODI series 3-4 in England in 2007. India beat England 1-0 in a 3 test series whereas England haven't won a series of any kind in India since 1985. I cannot speak for the other subcontinent teams because I don't follow them but as far as India are concerned, they do struggle in Australia and South Africa but against England they have done better both in India and in England for a long time. In fact it's just the two recent tours against England and Australia that have been terrible for India, on their previous tours to England, South Africa and Australia they were very competitive and when they played these teams at home they beat them convincingly.

In tests since 2000 you've only beaten Aus pretty well back in 08. Other then that you have drawn with England and narrowly beaten us 1-0 twice. You drawn a couple of series with SA and lost one. You've lost to Aus and also drawn a series. Your greatest test side ever has failed at home. ODI series don't matter much. Still we thrashed you at home the last time you played us. And thumped you at the 20/20 at home and then away.

[deathmonger]

Nice try. But apart from the England away 92/93, none of the others were thrashings. The 2-0 in Pakistan, if England had batted their 2nd innings properly in the first test would be a drawn series. Aus away back in 2010. They had India 9 down in one of those matches. Last time England toured India we made you chase 367. They way India have folded in England and now Aus, does not happen when the likes of SA, Aus and England tour the subcontinent. We usually make you earn your wins.

Win is a win. You didn't bat properly in Pakistan because they bowled well. Aus had India 9 down and could not finish the match. Isn't that more embarrasing. That 387 we chased down without a sweat. Let's not talk about England's ODI trips to India. Thing is yes, Saffers and Oz have been consistently good. But England have been total rubbish for a long time. They should not be lumped together with Oz and SA. I mean wasn't England ranked the worst team in the world once? :hysterical: