sandtest Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 While surfing CIA website, just came across a very important de-classified document about India.....there was a news a few months back that CIA has declassified documents of it's own assessment of India-China 1962 war which CIA investigated and prepared for US policymakers that contains some disturbing facts about Nehru's idiotic and un-realistic policymaking. Incidentally UPA government swept this report under carpet to protect so called Chaa Chaa Nehru's image and his goody-good portryal in our history books. For info. sake, POLO and EASU seriese documents carry very realistic and practical expert analysis of CIA operatives worldwide with first hand evidences/intelligence analysis from those who have actually worked in this field unlike our armchair, lifafaa gathering, agneda carrying dhimmi Indian analysts and historians. Indo-China war POLO documents (in pdf attachment) (1) http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/POLO/polo-07.pdf (2) http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/POLO/polo-08.pdf (3) http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/POLO/polo-09.pdf EASU document titled -- "Indian communist parties and Sino-Soviet dispute" http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/ESAU/esau-15.pdf CIA website - http://www.foia.cia.gov/
sandtest Posted February 9, 2008 Author Posted February 9, 2008 CIAs archive contains several such papers for various countries, a very well made intelligence report i should say. It understood the then Indian politics very well and the insights are good. Should I say predicted the future?? So this is the level of research which CIA undertakes before providing arms to country, I am impressed.!!:hatsoff:
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Latest article of Tarun Vijaya details Nehru's idiocy over security matters viz a viz China
sandtest Posted February 9, 2008 Author Posted February 9, 2008 Latest article of Tarun Vijaya details Nehru's idiocy over security matters viz a viz China The thing is, this is CIA, a third party source confirming the facts about Nehrus totally impractical and stubborn nature driven by his ego and ideology fetish. Had it been an Indian our p-sec world of intellectuals, would have been quick to ridicule him by branding him as a right winger and what not!! Just read the part dealing with in pages 50-59. Had it not been Nehru, but rather more military-minded man who occupied the post of prime minister in late October 1959, a priority program to prepare I n d i a eventually to f i g h t would have been started. In the course of two months, India had been humiliated by two military defeats *and the public and government officials had been aroused to anger against the nation's enemy as never before in its short history , But Nehru insisted that war with China was out of the question, and apparently did not think the challenge justified the economic burden of increased military spending. A man of different temperament and background, no less aware of the hard facts of Indian military inferiority , might nevertheless have felt that the country must be mobilized to prepare for long due military revenge against the Chinese at all costs. Guts and action , not words, was the military man's attitude in late October. This was not Nehru's way, however, and his authority and prestige in the country (although questioned more extensively than ever before) were still sufficiently great to reject preparedness for an eventual recourse to arms. This beautifully sums it all up. Basically its a pretty damming revelation and it certainly is not fun to read it . Wonder whats changed in the corridors of power today ? Laymans impression doesn't make me feel that MMS has anymore spine than Nehru to tackle similar situations today.:((
sandtest Posted February 9, 2008 Author Posted February 9, 2008 IMHO, the question is not about whether an individual (Nehru or MMS) has "spine" or not... but to what degree the institutions are functioning. Nehru, for all his bluster about democracy/anti-colonialism/power-to-the-people yada yada, was extremely dictatorial in his functioning. His back-to-back series of blunders came about because he and Krishna Menon subverted and bypassed established institutions and procedures... much like Hitler post 1943. Especially so in foreign affairs which ministry Nehru kept with himself until the end. His dictatorial trends put him in direct confrontation with such great leaders as Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, Prasad, Rajaji. It makes me sick when today I find that our sons/daughters will be forced to read the same history books of Congress fabricated NCERT which has all praise and goody-good words for Nehru when in fact Nehru did more damage to India's National interests as a autocratic PM. Today, when great leaders like Sardar Patel deserves more praise and following in history books for our next generation youth, we have no option but to be forced to chew this Nehru Praise -- thanks to our distorted history by Congressi+Marxian nexus of History writers in last 50 years after independence.:((
Guest dada_rocks Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Manmohan Wud go sthg like thsi in his whispering tone like he was cooing to hsi wife: IF we win war agasint Pakistan it's good but even if we losehalf of india to them it's not the end of the world..:D I guess sthg similar he said when communazis cornered him on nuclear deal
kumble_rocks Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Disgusting thread ! Only a two bit google ninja moron SKC will take the word of Americans over an Indian ....
Guest HariSampath Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Nehru was called "Lotus eater from Kashmir" for very good reasons....not only was he a anti Hindu man, he was a complete and total fool, whose policies on Jammu & Kashmir has now led to this current situation with the terrorist state of Pakistan ...Nehru referred the J&K issue to the UN...to appease the psec people and minorities of India. Nehru himself was a half muslim ...Nehru's blunders on J & K had been recently referred to by LK Advani again as a historic blunder. Also, lets not forget the huge blunder of "hindi chini bhai bhai" by Nehru....
kumble_rocks Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Nehru was called "Lotus eater from Kashmir" for very good reasons....not only was he a anti Hindu man' date=' he was a complete and total fool, whose policies on Jammu & Kashmir has now led to this current situation with the terrorist state of Pakistan ...Nehru referred the J&K issue to the UN...to appease the psec people and minorities of India. Nehru himself was a half muslim ...Nehru's blunders on J & K had been recently referred to by LK Advani again as a historic blunder. Also, lets not forget the huge blunder of "hindi chini bhai bhai" by Nehru....[/quote'] Boy , you upper caste folks think alike .... :D This is right out of the RSS mouthpiece . Blame Nehru and praise Patel. Why can't both be praised ?
Guest HariSampath Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Why should Nehru be praised for "sake of praise", and why shouldnt Sardarji not be praised , just because he wasn't a psec ?
CC1981 Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 .not only was he a anti Hindu man Nothing more than fundamentalist hinduvta propaganda. Nehru referred the J&K issue to the UN...to appease the psec people and minorities of India He was 100% right in doing so, i wish he had followed it up and the decision of the Kashmiri people respected. It is not about appeasement, it is about ETHICS- something that Hinduvta have very little concept of and i am not surprised, either. If people of Kashmir want to break away/join Pakistan, they have the moral and ethical RIGHT to do that by all means- so long as the votes of the KPs are also taken into account. The hypocrite Hinduvta, who thump their chest in 'India's moral/governmental superiority' are the same fools who try to take a Pakistani-esque totalitarian attitude towards Kashmir. Sad, ironic and sick, really. Nehru himself was a half muslim There is no such thing as a half-muslim. You are either a muslim or you are not. But hey, trust a hindu to come up with terms like half-muslims, quarter-muslim, 3/4th muslim etc. Afterall, discrimination- be it on caste or religion, runs in every lahoo of most hindus, innit ? just because he wasn't a psec ? Do you even know the meaning of the word 'psec' or are you one of the zillions of semi-educated Hinduvta fanatics who misuse that word as some sort of mantra ?
TheBoyPlunger Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Boy ' date=' you upper caste folks think alike .... :D [/quote'] That is casteist and offensive :angry_smile:
Grim Reaper Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 Disgusting thread ! Only a two bit google ninja moron SKC will take the word of Americans over an Indian .... ^And only a foolish and disgusting retarded Indian would believe that.
kumble_rocks Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 ^And only a foolish and disgusting retarded Indian would believe that. Quit talking from arse , you pathetic disgusting bigot .Your knowledge or the lack of it is baffling to say the least .
Grim Reaper Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 Quit talking from arse ' date=' you pathetic disgusting bigot Your knowledge or the lack is baffling to say the least .[/quote'] How about you quit talking, you cretin stricken fool. Your pitiful and pathetic attempts of displaying you ape equivalent intellect is simply disgusting.
kumble_rocks Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 How about you quit talking' date=' you cretin stricken fool. Your pitiful and pathetic attempts of displaying you ape equivalent intellect is simply disgusting.[/quote'] :hysterical::hysterical: Moron , stop being a SKC ...
Grim Reaper Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 :hysterical::hysterical: Moron ' date=' stop being a SKC ...[/quote'] How about you stop displaying your immense and pitiful case of the downs syndrome.
kumble_rocks Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 How about you stop displaying your immense and pitiful case of the downs syndrome. Jesus ! looks like you forget to take your medication again...
Grim Reaper Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 Jesus ! looks like you forget to take your medication again... Looks like you forgot to use your brains again, but then again you never had one.
kumble_rocks Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 Looks like you forgot to use your brains again' date=' but then again you never had one.[/quote'] Quit your brain farts will ya ! looks like you have been schooled by posters here and like the typical brown red neck that you are , resorted to cheap abuses ... Anyways , continue with your tirades .. better still crawl back to your rock ...:hysterical::hysterical:
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