Sehwag, the bowler

[Lurker]

Aaah! Some more random stuff. It's a given that part timers are not going to be able to bowl long spells with control and Sehwag is a part timer. But he gets very good drift, turn, and bounce over a 5-10 over spell which he obviously is not able to sustain over longer periods because of lack of practice, being a part timer. I have not seen Harris get any loop or drift whatsoever. Yes, he can keep chugging in and aim outside leg stump from over the wicket. That makes him a good spinner, I suppose?

So let me get this straight. You in your infinite wisdom are comparing 2 bowlers, one of which is full time spinner and the other who in your word is part-timer. Do I need to explain further the hollowness of your argument?

Put your money where your mouth is- let's see how Harris will be raped in Australia later this year and comparre it to Sehwag's performance against the same team on same tracks. What's unfari about that?

Wow insanity strikes again :hysterical::hysterical: If Harris is raped against Australia he would be a worse spinner than Sehwag? Isnt that the argument of highest order. Lets dig out Sehwag's stats shall we: 2003/04 vs Australia 71 runs 0 wickets 2004/05 vs Australia 45 runs 0 wickets 2007/08 vs Australia 75 runs 4 wickets. One good series and see how the blind-as-bat-Indian-fans start the comparison :hysterical::hysterical: And pay do tell us all what would you have done if 2007/08 series had not happened? :hysterical: You do realize that Sehwag till date has half the number of wickets in 4 times more test as Paul Harris. If that doesnt settle this argument please continue speaking from you-know-where.

[The Outsider]

You do realize that Sehwag till date has half the number of wickets in 4 times more test as Paul Harris. If that doesnt settle this argument please continue speaking from you-know-where.

Just putting inane smilies is not going to get you anywhere. Let me put it in more cricket specific terms - Sehwag has more loop, drift, and turn than Harris and if I wanted a breakthrough I would rather give Sehwag a 5-10 over spell than Harris. If I wanted someone to keep plugging away down the leg stump to stop the runs for a couple of sessions I would choose Harris. If you still don't understand how Sehwag, over short spells is a more effective bowler than Harris, you never will.

[f.b.m]

Exactly. As a spin enthusiast, I'd rather watch Sehwag bowl over Harris anyday. Or even Michael Clarke for that matter (if the wicket has a bit in it) Sehwag gets a lot more drift, turn and bounce and is quite accurate with his line and length.

[sachinlaxman]

One of his most important wickets in recent memory was his wicket against Australia at Perth where he dismissed Gilchrist with an identical ball to the one that got Smith out here. Australia still had a sniff of winning back then but I remember that being the nail in the coffin

[Lurker]

Just putting inane smilies is not going to get you anywhere. Let me put it in more cricket specific terms - Sehwag has more loop, drift, and turn than Harris and if I wanted a breakthrough I would rather give Sehwag a 5-10 over spell than Harris. If I wanted someone to keep plugging away down the leg stump to stop the runs for a couple of sessions I would choose Harris.

Thats not how bowlers are picked. Okay I take it back, that must be how bowlers were picked in your team! :hysterical: Bowlers are picked who take wickets. End of story. Else Kumble is the worst leggie ever. Flight, loop, drift yeah sure tell that to Kumble (or Mcgrath for that matter).

If you still don't understand how Sehwag, over short spells is a more effective bowler than Harris, you never will.

Yes thats because you have proved it 10 times by now eh :hysterical: Sehwag is great in short spells. Sure. Sehwag must be faster than Frank Tyson and Jeff Thomson combined. Whatever you say blind-as-a-bat-Sir. xxx

[The Outsider]

Thats not how bowlers are picked. Okay I take it back, that must be how bowlers were picked in your team!

And where did I say I would pick Sehwag as a specialist bowler. Boy, you are getting delusional!:hysterical:

Sehwag is great in short spells. Sure. Sehwag must be faster than Frank Tyson and Jeff Thomson combined. Whatever you say blind-as-a-bat-Sir.

And Harris is Bedi and Mankad rolled into one and some more, Sir-ji. Thanks for the highly enlightening discussion.

[Lurker]

And where did I say I would pick Sehwag as a specialist bowler. Boy, you are getting delusional!:hysterical:

Then what are you arguing here?? YOu sure you are typing what you want to convey?

And Harris is Bedi and Mankad rolled into one and some more, Sir-ji. Thanks for the highly enlightening discussion.

Never said, but hey full marks for insinuating a drunk response. :two_thumbs_up:

[The Outsider]

Then what are you arguing here?? YOu sure you are typing what you want to convey?

That over a short 5-10 over spell Sehwag is more likely to get you a wicket than Harris. That he does not have the consistency to give you steady 25 overs a day(which is quite understandable since he is not a full time bowler) but with his loop, drift, and turn is more likely to provide a breakthrough than Harris. He demonstrated it in WI, Australia, and then again in India. It's a pretty straightforward argument in simple enough English.

[Lurker]

That over a short 5-10 over spell Sehwag is more likely to get you a wicket than Harris. That he does not have the consistency to give you steady 25 overs a day(which is quite understandable since he is not a full time bowler) but with his loop' date= drift, and turn is more likely to provide a breakthrough than Harris. He demonstrated it in WI, Australia, and then again in India. It's a pretty straightforward argument in simple enough English.

Sorry you are either not aware of what you write, or just plain lie to hold an argument. Yep. Your very first post in this thread argues, and I quote - I remembered him being very effective to the point of thinking he should put in more effort in his bowling so that we can do away with Harbhajan on away tours altogether. Harbhajan Singh replaced by Sehwag who bowls 5-10 overs?? Harbhajan Singh replaced by Sehwag who, again your words, cant give you steady 25 overs?? Again what the hell are you on about. Yes its simple English, but are you sure you understand it very well?? xxxx

[The Outsider]

Harbhajan Singh replaced by Sehwag who bowls 5-10 overs?? Harbhajan Singh replaced by Sehwag who, again your words, cant give you steady 25 overs?? Again what the hell are you on about.

What part of, "he should put in more effort, so......" you do not understand? If he does this, then he can do this. Causality. Did I say Sehwag in his current form is good enough to replace Harbhajan? No. I said and implied, he has the right ingredients and if he works on them can play Harbhajan's role of a spinner, so we can play an extra seamer. Now what part do you not understand in the above?

[Lurker]

What part of, "he should put in more effort, so......" you do not understand? If he does this, then he can do this. Causality. Did I say Sehwag in his current form is good enough to replace Harbhajan? No. I said and implied, he has the right ingredients and if he works on them can play Harbhajan's role of a spinner, so we can play an extra seamer.

Okay so I see now you are cornered by your own words. Good! Pray do tell, to me and all, how in your infinite idiotic wisdom did you think of Sehwag to put extra time/effort and become a full-time bowler(this when he was struggling for a place in the team as a batsman)? Yes I would really be interested in seeing your plan of action...which honestly are quite dumb. Whats next? Kumble has a century overseas, if he puts more effort as batsman we can drop VVS!! Let me make it simple for you. Sehwag is a batsman who can bowl from time to time. He is not the first cricketer in the world to do so. Everyone from Wally Hammond to Dough Walters have done that. But to be a smarta$$ and comment that Sehwag should "put in more effort" and become a great test bowler smacks of cricketing ignornance. And of course now you have started singing how he is a great 5 over spell bowler. Man one must marvel at your cricketing insights :hatsoff:

[Holysmoke]

Lurker, I have noticed that most of your big debates are on Mondays. Are you thoda zyada free on Mondays? :haha:

[Mr. Wicket]

I don't think Shwetabh was saying "Sehwag should put in more effort so he can be a specialist full-time bowler". I think his point was more along the lines of "If Sehwag can work on his bowling a bit more, we can consistently go into games playing Kumble + 3 quicks and use Veeru as a support second spinner rather than having to pick 5 bowlers or Kumble + Harbhajan + 2 spinners, especially abroad". (Correct me if I'm wrong, shwetabh) If it is the latter, I fully agree. Sehwag has the all traits of a very good spinner - guts, a cool head, ability to keep it consistent on a good length, ability to exploit conditions or alter his bowling method for less helpful situations, and the brains to outsmart opposition batsmen (which IMO a lot of other spinners around still lack). Having him in a role where he could bowl say 10-12 overs a day in a test in a couple of spells on a regular basis (not unlike a Gayle or Styris) could be very good for the test side.

[Lurker]

Lurker' date=' I have noticed that most of your big debates are on Mondays. Are you thoda zyada free on Mondays? :haha:[/quote'] :hysterical::hysterical: or maybe that I just work a little less on Mondays, considering I am still in weekend mood Holy. :D

[kumble_rocks]

You guys are totally discounting the fact that Sehwag is damn accurate . He was the first guy to hit the wickets in the tied T-20 world cup bowl out!:D

[The Outsider]

Pray do tell, to me and all, how in your infinite idiotic wisdom did you think of Sehwag to put extra time/effort and become a full-time bowler(this when he was struggling for a place in the team as a batsman)? Yes I would really be interested in seeing your plan of action...which honestly are quite dumb. Whats next? Kumble has a century overseas, if he puts more effort as batsman we can drop VVS!!

It is you who in your infinite idiotic wisdom interpreted by statement along the lines of Sehwag becoming a full time bowler. Salil and most others got it right. Most tracks overseas are not conducive enough for spin to play two specialist spinners as part of a 4 man bowling attack and if Sehwag works on his bowling he can fill in the void of a specialist spinner on a day 5 pitch to an extent and at the same time allow us to play 3 specialist seamers. It's an argument along the lines that if Pathan works on his batting, it can allow us again to play 5 bowlers. But you and your idiotic interpretations will probably think I am plumping for Pathan to replace Tendulkar as a specialist batsman. (Oh, you've already been close to that line of thinking by asking for Tendulkar's head for Yuvraj).

Let me make it simple for you. Sehwag is a batsman who can bowl from time to time. He is not the first cricketer in the world to do so. Everyone from Wally Hammond to Dough Walters have done that. But to be a smarta$$ and comment that Sehwag should "put in more effort" and become a great test bowler smacks of cricketing ignornance. And of course now you have started singing how he is a great 5 over spell bowler.

When all your arguments in this and the other thread have been blown to pieces, resort to hyperbole and misquoting. Where have I said Sehwag can become a great test bowler. Care to quote me, or will you just keep on rambling with your nonsensical statements. An example of what I am talking about would be something on the lines of Gayle. He has started bowling more over the past few years and has given his side a good spin option without having to necessarily play a specialist spinner on tracks where spin role is going to be limited to the last day or so.

Man one must marvel at your cricketing insights

No, one must marvel at your understanding of the English language where someone like Salil, who did not take part in this thread understood my point precisely, but someone like you can't get a simple idea drilled into his head despite my efforts to break it down into simpler and simpler bits.

[vroomfondel]

oye gecko, PM dekha?

[suraj]

Good rivalry brewing between shwetabh and Lurker :two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up: I lam enjoying the debate; like some of the points by both but I am leaning a bit towards shwetabh's POV because I think Lurker is misunderstanding some of the points made by shwetabh

[The Outsider]

The man of great cricketing insights seems to have left the scene.:D

[Holysmoke]

Nah, its just that Monday is over. :D