Lurker Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 A reputed cricekt expert speaking through any of the reputed media houses against Bradman is simply unheard of .... it is considered blasphemy to question him... regardless of many a obvious holes in their theories as discussed ad-nauseum by yours truly. Hence the PC connection. Thats how it is. That video tells everything that one needs to know about the skill levels competitiveness and professionalism that went around back then. And how is that? Every player who played against Donald Bradman holds him in the highest regards, above of any of his contemprories. And the list includes many of Indian greats. Now unless you beleive each and every one of them was a sell-out you are basically just showing your own dislike for the man. Hazare and Merchant have a fantastic First class record but sadly the duo played very little test match cricket .. especially Merchant ... and Hazare found it very hard to make runs outside India in Test Cricket. Even if you did overlook that how would you put them ahead of the Tendulkars the RD's the Vishy's the VVS's the Gangulys the Amrnaths etc etc ? Merchant played in 40s/50s. Hazare similar period, give or take a few. Their record is as stellar as anyone who played till late 80s. Yes in the past decade or so we have been extremely lucky that we have 2 all time greats - SRT and Dravid, with another - Sehwag knocking on the door. I would pick SRT and Dravid in my team but a Hazare can easily contend with a Vegsarkar, an Amarnath, a Ganguly, VVS etc. And I would put Merchant right up there with Sunny and Sehwag. As for Kapil vs Vinoo Mankad, that is a no-brainer for me. Kapil to me remains the greatest Indian player ever. However I have highest regards for Vinoo Mankad. A batsman with 30 plus average and almost 4 wickets per Tests, better stats than say Richie Benaud and good enough to hold 1st wicket batting record. Whats not to like about the gentleman? How can you even think of not bringing him in the list of Indian probables?? The oldies always have a fixation and bias towards their times and since most guys go unchallenged their views have become gospel and there is no shortage of folks to provide the embellishment. Yes, I was born in 20s and I have a fixation for Vinoo Mankad :hatsoff: Seriously though Vinoo Mankad and Subhas Gupte, alongwith Bedi, Chandra and Prasanna would easily be top 5 spin bowlers India has produced with Kumble being the 6th one in the list. However in a selection of an All-time Indian XI I wont be surprised if any of these 6 gentlemen would be selected. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holysmoke Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I read somewhere that Bradman couldnt play the leg glance. (no source right now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lurker Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Lambi kahani hai (which I have explained in nauseating detail in 2-3 diferent threads earlier) ... but it all boils down to the old fuddy duddies refusing to accept that the world has progressed and evolved quite rapidly since their time .... it happens to most people. I Dont hate the guy as such but Iam not the one to buy yarn at price of gold. Not sure about recent threads but I myself have been part of discussions on similar subject(at times with you as well). And yes it always ends up being a dead end but surely there is no reason why you have to consider the opposite point of view as PC? It is just that - an opposite point of view. iam not knocking those guys .... they did a wonderfull service for the game of cricket and deserver every bit of credit for laying the ground work for our cricketing culture out of nowhere but to say that their cricketing skills are on par with the current lot would require a lot of assumptions which Iam not comfortable making. Actually you did knock these guys. Here are your words Actually Lurks no one in the right mind really puts those guys in the same category as the current maharathis ... They are given due respect for what they did in their times with unique handicaps and the usual PC news bytes and articles ... You will see none of them even mentioned in any Indian alltime XI never mind a World XI I dont quite see how you are not knocking these greats really. Vinoo Mankad is very capable of being in same league as Kapil(and I say it as a Kapil fan). Similarly Merchant can certainly hold his own against likes of Sunny or Dravid. Gupe was as good or better than Kumble and so on we can go. My issue was when you made the statement that no one in the right frame of mind would consider these players great, and as good as modern players. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 This video is another good reason why history should be dealt with delicately. The Indian team in question sported a lot of good players, including its skipper Lala Amarnath who was widely respected around the world. To point out loopholes into Bradman's average only comes back to make a mockery of Indian players, many of which(Amarnath, Hazare, Mankad) are all time greats. So please proceed with trepedition. They ain't all time greats for sure....... One of these gentleman hold bat like Mohd kaif and yet average in 40's........ Yes he remains a very good player of that amateur cricket era and that's it...... I remember an article where some captain with proactive field positioning crippled Braman's scoring.. That article has to be somewhere tucked on cricinfo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravid Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 how many matches did bradman play against 1 team (england)? most of em... unheard of nowadays... obi. he got used to em and went on a raping spree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapioca Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 They ain't all time greats for sure....... One of these gentleman hold bat like Mohd kaif and yet average in 40's........ Yes he remains a very good player of that amateur cricket era and that's it...... I remember an article where some captain with proactive field positioning crippled Braman's scoring.. That article has to be somewhere tucked on cricinfo The author of that CI article is a moderator on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lurker Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 It is an opposing view without much basis and one that requires a lot of assumptions. Yes, as usual, the other point of view has little basis, and you have all the basic views when it comes to this discussions. Indeed! Flintoff Bedser Sanford Vincent Donald Phadkar Qadir Morkel Razzaq Wright Dale Martin Giles Geary Bichel Francis Hall Allen Traicos Larwood Blignaut Verity Caddick Griffith Fraser Peebles Lee White Murphy Farnes Reid Amarnath Williams Constantine McMillan Tate Schultz Quinn White Yardley Walsh Pollard Lewis Sinfield Cuffy Robins McDermott Hazare Cairns Voce Hooper Bowes Bandara Hollies Tremlett Edrich Kaneria Hammond Ambrose Malcolm Cork Nash Morrison Vettori Tuffey Fleming Hemmings Rose McGrath Wickramasinghe Streak Salisbury Imran Bishop Oram Bracewell Kallis Lawson Anderson Gillespie Benjamin Pushpakumara Klusener Dillon Hayward Muralitharan Ntini Ealham Mortaza Madurasinghe Waugh Hoggard Asif Rafique Sami Vaughan Whitney Kasprowicz Panesar Ahmed Nagamootoo Rahman Naved-ul-Hasan Johnson Williams Hauritz Strang Tufnell Collingwood McIntyre Wiseman Harris Symcox Taylor Adams Reiffel Collins Dawson Kalpage Price Thomson Mushtaq Doull O'Connor Styris MacGill Anurasiri Udal Bond Hossain Afridi Akhtar Warne Pollock Clark Jayasuriya Dilshan Ranchod Hathurusingha Gul Waqar Wasim Cronje Vaas Bruyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lurker Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Cant really compare a opener with Middle order batsman Lurks ... opening is faar more complicated business than anything else ..... and for that reason alone he will remain the best that ever was in that line of business. No arguments there. The argument is rather simple BB, and it has little to do with the batting slot of the two. If sporting ability improves with time then why is it that bowling faced by Sachin in 90s and 2000s is not in the same league as that faced by Sunny in 70s and 80s?? And no by that I dont mean Sachin did not face quality attacks, he did, but Sunil Gavaskar faced better and he played a good 25 year from today. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Outsider Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 All these arguments, some with merit, some wishy washy, and some useless, would only make worth their while if it was 70-75 compared to 55-60. 100 means this is not even a discussion but just some sophistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Predator_05 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Abey Drawvid, video kahan gaya ? Removed by user Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravid Posted February 13, 2009 Author Share Posted February 13, 2009 i got copyright violation e-mails for few of my vids.. so just removed all of em :(( the 4 clips mentioned in OP... pick 1 you want to see..i will upload that, dont wanna do whole thing again :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 ^ The second clip was a classic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravid Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 heres the 100 video.. i added another interesting clip at the end..usually bradman avg. over 100, but when the heat got turned up with bodyline, avg. in 50s :D [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfaWWl8BEQE]YouTube - Bradman[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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