The problem with religion!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kumar]

Problem with religion is simple : It is an arbitary construct. Ie, it is the opinion of one/few which got cannonised into something special. Be it word-for-word verbatim of whatever Mohammed or Moses claimed or a gradual compilation of the limited worldview of our vedic ancestors. It is neither a divine construct ( no God or agent-of-God ever came to me to tell me about proper conduct) nor is the concept of divine teachings 'to be passed down through the generations' of any logical value. Be it Krishna's doctrine or this so-called Allah's- if they actually wished us to follow it and if there is actual consequence of not following their wishes, they'd have individually informed us to the singular consequences of their rule-book. It makes no sense to have a 'prophet' or a guru, who's words will be put in text, just like my ramblings, your dementia and someone else's fantasies and we are back to square one- trying to discern the divine from the non. The problem with religion is one of the eternal struggle between courage and cowardice, between ability to change and the cowardice of preserving the lifestyle of the ancients through a beleif system that needlessly exalts the habits of the past. Basic problem with religion is it fixates on a static concept in an universe that is continuously evolving and changing. Be it the Abrahamism or Dharmism of the world, religion asumes the cosmos to be static, as if with static 'rules' of function and consequence. In essence, religion is the path of the weak - because they continuously seek guidence from a third party source- a source they spend great energy convincing themselves of to be the 'real one', that will keep them from harm and make sure their lives are successful (or if unsuccessful, give them the dilaasa that post-life or next one is going to be better). Religion is a rejection of our senses, of our ability to adapt, our ability to define what morality is according to the circumstances of the world, rather than accept a static concept of morality. It is a rejection of life itself, because life involves acting on our wishes, our senses, making mistakes, getting some things right, etc etc. Religion is the way of the untermensch - the lesser man- the man who's afraid to chart his own destiny through the cosmos.

u sure kow ur religion and astrology/astronomy:two_thumbs_up: good work cc 1981 u have alot of good points which most people face but dont realise

[Guest dada_rocks]

ah... are you trying to convince an atheist that there is no god? my question to you is that why on earth are you criticizing the so called gods of the abrahamic faiths for sitting on the sidelines for close to 200' date='000 years while their supposed subjects were battling one calamity after another, when your faith's gods themselves are just as guilty.[/quote'] You might lull yourself into thinking that I post for you personally but it's not like that.. :--D. You were havine doubts wiht obvious connection of those number in eventual conclusion and I am just trying to quell those doubts .. that's all

[Guest dada_rocks]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHbnoA9V-hc&feature=related]YouTube - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan- Philosphical Qawwali[/ame] Bare pyar se dhajji udate huye dharm ke inherent dichotomy ki..

[Guest dada_rocks]

Mohandas K. Gandhi: "It is the duty of every cultured man or woman to read sympathetically the scriptures of the world. If we are to respect others' religions as we would have them respect our own, a friendly study of the world's religions is a sacred duty."

I would like to make it critical study.. Anyway if decision has been made beforehand about the result of studies then what's the point of studying just say all religion is fine and be happy with it which hinduism and hindus usually do.... Noe my own unadulterated view: It's duty of every conscinetious man on earth to denounce the in-your-face flagrance of scriptures of the world lest those attain the moral sanction. What is wrong is wrong this abortion of critical analysis when it comes to religion bascially emboldedn the fundamentalist to keep expanding their iirational horizon. IF caste-based discrimintion sucks then it sucks there is no friendly reading.. yes firendly reading could be that it was started wiht good intention but the way it stands today it must give way to casteless theology. similarly for the rest of scriptures if the idea that an unbeliver would go to hell just because he doesn't bow in certain direction five times a day sucks then it sucks there is no room for friendly reading .... I also believe these total disregard for others is the root cause of all the violence today.. once you belive so and so is hell-bound anyway you have no qualms in blowing him up so and so's life ceases to have same importance as yours..

[CC1981]

I would like to make it critical study

A critical study on religion doesnt have to be unfriendly in nature. A friendly study simply means a non-malicious study, where there arnt any ulterior motives behind the study ( to denounce a religion or to hype it up) and it highlights both the positives and shortcommings of the study. For example, take Islam - the con of Islam is obvious - it is despotic, it breeds extremism and is an unnatural, static concept in an everchanging world, which is why the Islamic world has contributed a big fat NADA in matters of science and technology, save for warfare related stuff ( as great a respect I have for bonafide Islamic scholars like Ibn-Sina and others, their claim to fame largely rests on translating ancient Indian,Byzantine and Chinese texts into Arabic). But there is also a pro in Islam : jurisprudence and taxation. The methodology of taxation (land tax as well as business tax, etc) is unparalleled in the theological world for both its depth and detail. One needs to understand the positives and negetives of various religions to truely appreciate their significance to our socities- otherwise, it just becomes a religious slangfest, trying to potray one religion better than another and moves into the realm of personal clashes.

[CC1981]

u sure kow ur religion and astrology/astronomy:two_thumbs_up: good work cc 1981 u have alot of good points which most people face but dont realise

Thank you Kumar. Cheers to you too. PS: I sense from your post that you are an old-time poster (under a different username perhaps?) to comment about my knowledge of astronomy or astrology, since i posted on those topics many moons ago. Either that or you are a long-time lurker. If its the former, could you PM me your previous UserID and if its the latter, i am glad you've finally become more involved with this site. Cheers and welcome aboard.

[Kumar]

Thank you Kumar. Cheers to you too. PS: I sense from your post that you are an old-time poster (under a different username perhaps?) to comment about my knowledge of astronomy or astrology, since i posted on those topics many moons ago. Either that or you are a long-time lurker. If its the former, could you PM me your previous UserID and if its the latter, i am glad you've finally become more involved with this site. Cheers and welcome aboard.

nah im new mate:D

[Kumar]

just wondering, nothing wrong with this btw.................. but is anyone here a budhist???????????

[CC1981]

just wondering, nothing wrong with this btw.................. but is anyone here a budhist???????????

If by being 'buddhist' you mean agreeing with/admiring the principles of Buddhism, then i am a buddhist. However, i am not the run-of-mill buddhists, who consider Buddha as a God or God-reincarnate (despite Buddha EXPLICITLY saying he wasnt anything but a regular man) or believe in the ritualisms of buddhism (save for the valid point that ritualism does train the mind on consistency of actions/lifestyle when not taken fanatically as inviolate).

[Kumar]

If by being 'buddhist' you mean agreeing with/admiring the principles of Buddhism, then i am a buddhist. However, i am not the run-of-mill buddhists, who consider Buddha as a God or God-reincarnate (despite Buddha EXPLICITLY saying he wasnt anything but a regular man) or believe in the ritualisms of buddhism (save for the valid point that ritualism does train the mind on consistency of actions/lifestyle when not taken fanatically as inviolate).

same. I find it very interesting. the studies are very good, ad overall its a good religion. All great religions come from india hinduism budhaism sikhism even janisim