VHP leaders being killed state after state; Wait till they snap back

[Lurker]

Have you noticed how you are frothign now now go contrast your response to the killing of that priest along wiht children of the ashram run by VHP..Precisely this is the root of all problem..You can't treat crime committed against someone with indifference not only indifferen but left-handed justification saying so and so was goon to start with and then cry wolf when table gets turned.. ......

The problems are ultra thickheads like you who revel in hate and expect everyone else to hate as well. Had you started this thread as XYZ killed by Naxalite I am sure many would have joined in and offered condolensces. Instead you had the temerity to dare "Wait till they snap back", and when these goons(which they are..what else do you call a bunch of cowards attacking in pack) fulfill your wish you start vomitting about whats the problem and all that.

Yes no matter how hard u try to negate post-godhara did hapepn due to godhara .. BJP rules other states too noone saw any post-godhara there simple reason was that there was no godhara there

lol..Yes keep living in the la la land. The way I see it is BJP and right wing moronic brigade in India is largely responsible for this mess that is Gujrat, Kashmir, Orissa and all that jazz. No wonder bombs are going off everywhere. xxx

[Guest dada_rocks]

The problems are ultra thickheads like you who revel in hate and expect everyone else to hate as well. Had you started this thread as XYZ killed by Naxalite I am sure many would have joined in and offered condolensces. Instead you had the temerity to dare "Wait till they snap back", and when these goons(which they are..what else do you call a bunch of cowards attacking in pack) fulfill your wish you start vomitting about whats the problem and all that. lol..Yes keep living in the la la land. The way I see it is BJP and right wing moronic brigade in India is largely responsible for this mess that is Gujrat, Kashmir, Orissa and all that jazz. No wonder bombs are going off everywhere. xxx

Aha what a copout so when you like a manaic dim,pwit go around yapping when a girl's ashram si attacked and a priest along with few kids killed that oh they were goon anyway then you are basically showering love but if someone warns due to the indifference and character assassination of the VHP even when they are at the short hand of the stick then I become hatspewing.. You my friend are cluelss..> i have called your bluff .. obviously you are frothing.. why are u froithign nwo and why were u indifferent at best then.. Reaosn is there for everyone to see. IN your views they are goon ( I showed u how ignorant u are ) so them geting killed is par for the course.. I repeat you problme is you start frothign over MODi abut Rajeev gandhi is your model You start frothign over killing in bad at the eve of another killign but the killing which lead to this band is par for the course......

[Lurker]

Aha what a copout so when you like a manaic dim,pwit go around yapping when a girl's ashram si attacked and a priest along with few kids killed that oh they were goon anyway then you are basically showering love but if someone warns due to the indifference and character assassination of the VHP even when they are at the short hand of the stick then I become hatspewing.. You my friend are cluelss..> i have called your bluff .. obviously you are frothing.. why are u froithign nwo and why were u indifferent at best then.. Reaosn is there for everyone to see. IN your views they are goon ( I showed u how ignorant u are ) so them geting killed is par for the course.. I repeat you problme is you start frothign over MODi abut Rajeev gandhi is your model You start frothign over killing in bad at the eve of another killign but the killing which lead to this band is par for the course......

Hahaha so now you are not only clueless you actually have the temerity to assume what I was thinking, what I shall think and what makes me froth. :hysterical::hysterical: Dont worry I dont have as high a blood pressure(or as small a IQ ) as you. VHP GOONS attacked and burnt a NUN. Does that make you proud as a bhagwa brigade? Sure should. I mean your goons killed a WOMAN. What is not there to like about it right wing fundie saab. And again, your WISH came true. So feel free to distribute mithais. Incidentally it is coming true all over the country thanks to your jaundiced party. Might as well order those mithais in bulk already!!

[Guest dada_rocks]

BTW already suspected sangh pariva element is being accused and no chrstian missinary being accused despite one such moron with chrstian misionary connection being nabbed........ Again this sort of jumpinmg the gun while withhoolding the same on other case.. frothing your moth ine once case and showing indifference and in case of likes of lurker even giving left-handed endorsement is the problem.........

[Lurker]

BTW already suspected sangh pariva element is being accused and no chrstian missinary being accused despite one such moron with chrstian misionary connection being nabbed........

lol...Hazaar saal tak ek lambi nali mein daalo, wapis nikaalo to phir wahi...kutte ki dum tedi ki tedi.

Again this sort of jumpinmg the gun while withhoolding the same on other case.. frothing your moth ine once case and showing indifference and in case of likes of lurker even giving left-handed endorsement is the problem.........

Yes yes Saar..whatever you say. So who set the CHurch on fire DR? Let me hear your analysis.

[Guest dada_rocks]

So are we now frying people on analysis and assumption .. It's band and free for all anyone cud have done fully knowing it will fall in band organiser lap.......... Have not we seen the case of DARA Singh where despite him having no connection with Sangh parivar and connection with youth congress yet for years people kept fryign sangh parivar for Staines murder Till honourable court finds that this gentleman actually was connected with congress party.. I do not expect you to either know or accept these facts .. after all these are incovenient truths and must not be allowed to come in your janudced world-view:winky: Anyway I keep forgetting I am talking to a stalwart who h thinsk so and so is goon hence he can be killed there is no problem with that..

[Lurker]

So are we now frying people on analysis and assumption .. It's band and free for all anyone cud have done fully knowing it will fall in band organiser lap.......... Have not we seen the case of DARA Singh where despite him having no connection with Sangh parivar and connection with youth congress yet for years people kept fryign sangh parivar for Staines murder Till honourable court finds that this gentleman actually was connected with congress party.. I do not expect you to either know or accept these facts .. after all these are incovenient truths and must not be allowed to come in your janudced world-view:winky: Anyway I keep forgetting I am talking to a stalwart who h thinsk so and so is goon hence he can be killed there is no problem with that..

Read your entire rant and come back when you are in a more peaceful state of mind. I asked you a rather simple question - Who do you think set the church on fire?? And you obviously started ranting all the way to Dara Singh and what I shall comprehend and what not. Come back when you hav a saner argument

[CC1981]

VHP - as radical and one-eyed an organisation as it gets. Someone from VHP being blown up is equivalent of someone from Jamat-e-Islaami being blown up..ie, i have no time for them. Furthermore, it is disappointing to see vendetta type murders and violence, where the defining reason for violence is ' they did it first/we are merely responding'. THat is disingeneous and dishonest- that is merely looking for a reason (often, making one up, like the hinduvtas did with 'someone beat up our guru so we set churches on fire') to start violence. CHristian missionaries are converting Hindus- who cares. Christians arnt violent in their means, they arnt complete cultural despots, seeking to replace the culture of their land with their cultural values ( eg : Islam and Arabism). Therefore, i see no reason to be concerned when Hindus convert to Christianity or vice versa. Ram or Jesus - same ***** really.

[suraj]

VHP - as radical and one-eyed an organisation as it gets. Someone from VHP being blown up is equivalent of someone from Jamat-e-Islaami being blown up..ie' date=' i have no time for them.[/quote'] You may not be very far from truth but the problem is that every time one of the fanatics gets attacked, there is a violent repurcussion that leaves many innocent dead and hurt. On that note nothing bad ends up happening to the fanatic organizations but poor innocent people keep getting massacared from both sides. It is just really sad.

[CC1981]

You may not be very far from truth but the problem is that every time one of the fanatics gets attacked, there is a violent repurcussion that leaves many innocent dead and hurt. On that note nothing bad ends up happening to the fanatic organizations but poor innocent people keep getting massacared from both sides. It is just really sad.

Aye. I added that bit in my re-edited post. Which is why i've been saying - its about time we desis grew up (like the west has) and either consign religion stictly as a matter of personal choice or ban religion alltogether. There can be no disputation that religion is the sole biggest cause of our fall from being a great civilization in the world to a cesspool of religious violence, illiteracy, obscenely crowded population levels and overall a state of pathetic social existence. We all know of Islam's destructiveness, but even before Islam made an entry, our 3 empire stage ( Rashtrakuta, Pratihara and Pala) were busy fighting each other to a standstill because of religion-motivated reasons ( Rashtrakuts being predominantly Jain, Pratiharas being predominantly Hindu and Pals being predominantly Buddhist). If one wants a ONE-word description of 'hero to zero' of indian civilization, that word is RELIGION. Its about time we tossed away stupid cr@p like Allah,Jesus,Krishna, etc. worship and move on as a secular society. To this end, i am not sure if the Maxists deserve support - despite their violent and totalitarian tendencies, they are the only political institution in India who look down on religion as a matter of principle.

[suraj]

Aye. I added that bit in my re-edited post. Which is why i've been saying - its about time we desis grew up (like the west has) and either consign religion stictly as a matter of personal choice or ban religion alltogether. There can be no disputation that religion is the sole biggest cause of our fall from being a great civilization in the world to a cesspool of religious violence, illiteracy, obscenely crowded population levels and overall a state of pathetic social existence. We all know of Islam's destructiveness, but even before Islam made an entry, our 3 empire stage ( Rashtrakuta, Pratihara and Pala) were busy fighting each other to a standstill because of religion-motivated reasons ( Rashtrakuts being predominantly Jain, Pratiharas being predominantly Hindu and Pals being predominantly Buddhist). If one wants a ONE-word description of 'hero to zero' of indian civilization, that word is RELIGION. Its about time we tossed away stupid cr@p like Allah,Jesus,Krishna, etc. worship and move on as a secular society. To this end, i am not sure if the Maxists deserve support - despite their violent and totalitarian tendencies, they are the only political institution in India who look down on religion as a matter of principle.

Just from the POV of implementation it will be really hard to enforce ban on religion so the choice IMO is a complete divorce of religion from the state affairs. Even the West has not completely achieved that specially at election times when politicians bring their Judeo-Christain bias to the fore so that the vote bank can be enticed. But I agree with you that this cesspool of religious mania has just sunk us lower and lower. Unfortunately, in the name of "live all" policies we are propogating quite the opposite of the detachment of state affairs from religion. Marxism, while good in this respect comes with its own set of problems- at the core being the domination of individual leaders who hate to let go of the power.

[CC1981]

I think by 'west', you are using USA as an example. Make no mistake - apart from a few still-existing Christian strongholds like Ireland, Italy and Portugal, USA is the most religious of the western nations. And even then, their religious politics is at a far lesser level (on national levels) than in India - not to mention, western nations like France, UK, Germany,Canada etc. are as divorced from religion in politics as it gets. As for the Maxist/Maoists - i am well aware of their despotic nature and their propensity of throwing up power-hungry leaders. My musing is simply on the basis of 'lesser of the two evils' - if we agree that Religion has been singularly the biggest evil of the subcontinent for the last 1500 years or so, then Marxism seems like an alternative worth exploring.

[Kohum]

This is disgraceful. This is no way- those responsible should be brought to justice just as the killers of VHP leader. Complete breakdown of law and order. WTF is going on?

Lo aa gaye D.K. Bose When news was related to VHP leader being killed - These guys were Mum.

[CC1981]

When news was related to VHP leader being killed - These guys were Mum.

So are you justifying hindu retaliatory killings and vandalism by the criteria of 'they did it first' ?

[sandtest]

People will continue to remain, ignorant for dis-integration of India will affect them least but neverthless it is about time TRUTH must be told about Christian missionaries in India particularly in North-East are NOT SO PEACEFUL, although there is no hope from idiotic Indian media, to see which side there breads are being butterred in the name of "peaceful" conversion. They are engaged in secessionaist activities to carve out another Christian state out of India particularly North-east tribal areas. Forget Nagaland, even Naxalites in Tripura are massively funded by western sponsored Evangelical Missionaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura

History, Funding and Church Support The Government of the state of Tripura has uncovered evidence to support the assertion that the Baptist Church of Tripura has been funding the terrorists. According to reports, the Church has been forcing local tribals to convert to Christianity [2]. The Baptist Church of Tripura was initially set up by missionaries from New Zealand in the 1940s. Despite their efforts, even until the 1980s, only a few thousand people in Tripura had converted to Christianity. In the aftermath of one of the worst ethnic riots, the NLFT was born in 1989—allegedly with the help of the Baptist Church. Since then, the NLFT has been advancing its cause through armed rebellion.

Church backing Tripura Rebels http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_asia/717775.stm

[sandtest]

This brings back to same old arguement of treacherous naxalites and their commie sympathisers in media --what's wrong in conversion? There is nothing wrong if conversion is for spirituality. Lakhs of people every year in Chaityabhoomi, Dadar, Mumbai, convert to Budhism for spirituality and all Indians welcome this. BUt here point is, Evangelicalization is NOT ABOUT PEACEFUL MESSAGE OF JESUS, it is in fact a disgrace to non-violent personality of Jesus. Evangelicalization promotes a state within state ruled through Bible in Asian Countries and this is why it is NO DIFFERENT than Darul-Uloom-Deoband Islamic schools in Azamgarh UP. We all respect Jesus and his life legends, which is highly Non-Violent and perfectly similiar to Indic philosophy of "I and God are ONE" But evangelical conversion is NO way about philosophy, it's exactly similiar to Islamic practice of "Either my way or Highway". But problem here is evangelicals are heavily funded and sophisticated in operation. They operate through NGOs like world-vision and never directly come in front instead fund and use proxies such as Naxalites and Tripura Rebels.

[CC1981]

it is about time TRUTH must be told about Christian missionaries in India particularly in North-East are NOT SO PEACEFUL, although there is no hope from idiotic Indian media, to see which side there breads are being butterred in the name of "peaceful" conversion.

Again, how is that different to the level of violence unleashed by the high caste hindus on the low-caste and untouchables in the thousands upon thousands of Indian villages today ??? You have any idea what are the stats for untouchables or low castes getting murdered or raped by the high caste ones EACH DAY in India ? The number would boggle your mind!

Lakhs of people every year in Chaityabhoomi, Dadar, Mumbai, convert to Budhism for spirituality and all Indians welcome this.

Absolutely false and pure propaganda. Wen the mass conversion to Buddhism was taking place, Shiv Sena and other radical hinduvta groups OPENLY threatened repurcussions in the media. This was covered very well in the media and the organisation promoting the conversion had to lodge an FIR.

But evangelical conversion is NO way about philosophy, it's exactly similiar to Islamic practice of "Either my way or Highway". But problem here is evangelicals are heavily funded and sophisticated in operation. They operate through NGOs like world-vision and never directly come in front instead fund and use proxies such as Naxalites and Tripura Rebels.

True. But what you fail to realize is that the BIGGEST reason for conversion to Christianity/Evangelism is due to hinduism itself. Whatever the Christians do, they don't feed on each other or supress each other. Christians work for their own betterment and increasing their numbers through conversions (without the violent means of the Islamo-fascists). REALITY of India is that in most Indian villages (where most of India's population resides), casteism is rife, the few but powerful high caste ones look down on the low caste ones, OPENLY get away with murder, rape and various other heinous acts because of casteism. THAT is the truth of hinduism and the ugly face of hinduism that you will NEVER see the VHPs or RSS types focus on. If anything, they get pi$$ed off or call you anti-hindu if you take the burqa off the ugly side of Hinduism. And fact is, as long as that ugly side of hinduism remains, many of the lower caste or untouchable ones will find Christianity and/or Buddhism to be infinitely more desirable than remaining a hindu. The biggest thing you can do to save hinduism is to irradicate casteism, which is very much alive, prevalent and practiced on some level by the greatest majority of hindus. How equal a society is, is easily discerned by the marriage patterns - the logic is simple : if you consider someone good enough to sleep with them/sire children with them, then you are accepting them as your equal. If you avoid intercourse with someone because of their background/familial history etc. that is as categoric a proof of inequality as there is. And FACT is, vast majority of hindus will NOT marry below their caste station. If Hindus mature enough or evolve enough (on a spiritual level) to see someone from a Brahmin background openly marrying someone from an untouchable background with great dhoom-dhaam and such activities are very common, then hinduism will be safe. Otherwise, hinduism will steadily erode away like it is today. Thats the bottomline.

[THX_1138]

from what i can tell... both sides are equally notorious and working beyond the realms of the law. the christian missionaries are notorious for exploiting the marginalized, lower income household families for mass conversion; a conversion that brings these individuals a sense of self worth and a token card to fight the oppression of the higher castes. however, the vhp has not done much better either. i researched them and they seem to be a more political than a humanitarian organization. and while their education programs for the underprivileged are certainly welcome, their political aspirations far exceed their social service. furthermore, responding to crime with crime is never a solution not to mention rationalizing the destruction of 12 churches for the life of one individual which leads us into a very grey discussion of counterbalancing life with estate... when is a life worth enough to deserve such destruction in retaliation. maybe if the vhp concentrated on eliminating the social strata created by the caste system that has all but become synonymous with hinduism and if these christian missionaries concentrated on opening new schools and hospitals and thereby motivating conversions... as you can tell, there are not free lunches here... then maybe both organizations can emerge from the shadows of crime and corruption.

[THX_1138]

This brings back to same old arguement of treacherous naxalites and their commie sympathisers in media --what's wrong in conversion? There is nothing wrong if conversion is for spirituality. Lakhs of people every year in Chaityabhoomi, Dadar, Mumbai, convert to Budhism for spirituality and all Indians welcome this. BUt here point is, Evangelicalization is NOT ABOUT PEACEFUL MESSAGE OF JESUS, it is in fact a disgrace to non-violent personality of Jesus. Evangelicalization promotes a state within state ruled through Bible in Asian Countries and this is why it is NO DIFFERENT than Darul-Uloom-Deoband Islamic schools in Azamgarh UP. We all respect Jesus and his life legends, which is highly Non-Violent and perfectly similiar to Indic philosophy of "I and God are ONE" But evangelical conversion is NO way about philosophy, it's exactly similiar to Islamic practice of "Either my way or Highway". But problem here is evangelicals are heavily funded and sophisticated in operation. They operate through NGOs like world-vision and never directly come in front instead fund and use proxies such as Naxalites and Tripura Rebels.

there is demonstrable truth to that.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Same ***** is on as was on the eve of Godhara train burning ..... Communazis cheered then till post-godhara happened then they provided their useless condemnation of both incidents.. Again here after 3 days communazis have woken up and token condemnation of attack on VHP girl's ashram and are frothing over the subsequent event .. I think we have characters like this even in this thread