Is war imminent?

[mainhoonna]

Spoke to my dad on phone and media is saying that pakistan has moved its forces to indian border and our p.m met with the three service chiefs today.People in India are apparently not worried because a)pakistan are really no match in a conventional war and america is going to step in when things go really serious.What do you guys think,will we go to war and what are the short and long term gains from winning it?

[Desi Cartman]

It wont happen ... India is not even moving its troops ..

[milkman]

Don't think GOI has the stomach for war or anything concrete when it comes to improving India's internal or external security. War means danger to babus. No war means they are safe with their Z++++++++++++ security. Am janta is expendable. What kind of war are they going to launch? For India to be truly safe Pakistan has to be broken into smaller countries and it's nukes taken away. Janpath road is full of eunuchs. The conditions are perfectly lined up to solve Pak problem for ever.

[gs]

viva la balochistan!

[gs]

However its disconcerting though. Pak has openly mobilized so much and apna desh hasnt done much yet, atleast not overtly. Hope it doesnt turn out to be like 1965 where Pak armor can strike swiftly in a short skirmish while India spends time mobilizing.

[vadodaravictor]

Pakistan just got a reason to shuffle troops from Afghan border to eastern border. I guess this is what they always wanted. I have a feeling that in my lifetime, I will see Pakistan disintegrated into smaller countries.:winky:

[milkman]

I have a feeling that in my lifetime, I will see Pakistan disintegrated into smaller countries.:winky:

Inshaallaha :giggle:

[Desi Cartman]

My only fear is to see Manmohan pull off a Nehru and not be ready for war. from whatever I have read online , it seems pak is moving its troops while Mr Singh is talking with Saudi Arabia and China to convince Pak . Its a little worrying.

[PaiN_KiLLeR]

A BBC article from 2003 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1735912.stm In straight numerical terms of population, economic might, military manpower and equipment it is almost meaningless to speak about an India-Pakistan balance. "Imbalance" would be a more appropriate term since India dominates in every respect. What has to be understood from the outset is that the two countries have very different military aspirations. India sees itself as a rising regional actor, and it sees military power as one element in this process. As any aspiring regional player must do, it looks around for potential partners and potential enemies. China too has growing regional ambitions. The two countries need not be enemies, but clearly India's military planners must have at least one eye on China as they draw up their own modernisation proposals. Pakistan is in an altogether different position. It seeks to provide itself with the military means to deter any pressure from India. It cannot match India man-for-man or gun-for-gun. But as it modernises its armed forces, it can seek to invest in those technologies that maximise its capabilities and take an effective toll against any enemy. India's broader strategic goals mean that it is pursuing an ambitious modernisation programme across all of its armed services. The air force is getting the largest share of new money, with plans for new combat aircraft, airborne warning and control systems and missiles. The army is destined to get new tanks and new artillery. The navy hopes to deploy new Russian-built warships, along with home-constructed vessels, new aircraft carriers and new submarines. The plan is to spend some $95bn over the next 15 years. How far these plans actually come to fruition will depend both on economics and upon potential suppliers. India also has huge maintenance problems, in part due to the poor supply of spares from Russia but also to inadequate local servicing facilities. India is eager to boost its own impressive arms industry but for the foreseeable future, many "big ticket" items will come from abroad. Russia is still the principal source of advance weaponry and looks set to continue in this role. A protocol signed between the two governments in June 2001 covers Russian supplies of some $10bn worth of weaponry and other military hardware over the coming decade. In January, India agreed to lease four nuclear-capable Tupolev Tu-22 long-range bombers from Russia along with two nuclear-powered submarines. India is also developing a close and little-reported relationship with Israel, whose own arms industry has much to offer in terms of cutting-edge technology India is seeking to blend Russian, western and local technology in an effort to tailor its military equipment to its own needs. The Sukhoi Su-30 Mk I fighter is a good example. The first squadron of these advanced fighters entered service last September. Their hi-tech control systems incorporate a number of Indian and Western built elements, incorporated into the Russian air-frame. Interestingly, India is interested in Russian air defence systems as well, with persistent reports that India's long-term aim is to deploy an anti-ballistic missile system of its own, perhaps based upon the Russian S-300VM system. It is not surprising then that India has responded in generally positive terms to US President George W Bush's proposals for limited missile defence. Delhi is also developing a close and little-reported relationship with Israel, whose own arms industry has much to offer in terms of cutting-edge technology, especially in fields like unmanned reconnaissance aircraft and air-launched munitions. India's rise is acknowledged in Washington and there is a lot of talk about a potential US-Indian strategic partnership, though nuclear-proliferation issues continue to dog relations. China helps Pakistan In the face of India's growing military arsenal, Pakistan is seeking to modernise its forces. Clearly, it has put a good deal of effort into the nuclear and missile fields - areas where it can at least offer some credible deterrent against a potential threat. China remains Pakistan's principal arms supplier, though Pakistan's purchases are modest in comparison to India's. Some sort of strategic understanding between the two countries is important It has recently begun to receive the first deliveries of 50 Chinese F-7MG aircraft. And the two countries continue to collaborate on a joint programme for a new combat jet. Pakistan also gets small amounts of sophisticated weaponry from France, notably eight upgraded Mirage III and Mirage V combat aircraft. France is also supplying Pakistan with new, badly needed, diesel submarines. The first was commissioned in late 1999, with two more being built under licence in Karachi. Pakistan is also eager to diversify its arms purchases - it bought battle tanks from Ukraine and is reportedly exploring the possibility of starting local production of an upgraded version known as the Al Khalid. This is a priority since India recently signed a deal to buy over 300 Russian T-90 tanks. But overall India's conventional dominance is something that Pakistan cannot match. Its essential policy is to have sufficient forces to inflict heavy casualties on any attacker in the event of a war, while relying upon its nuclear forces to deter any conflict in the first place. This is why some sort of strategic understanding between the two countries is important. The development of their military doctrine - how and in what circumstances long-range missiles or even nuclear weapons might be used - has not kept pace with the physical development of such weapons. India clearly has far more military options than Pakistan. But its chief strategic concern is China. Pakistan in turn is worried by India's military modernisation. This is a complex triangular relationship which in purely strategic terms may be hard to isolate in terms of just the relationship between Delhi and Islamabad.

[mainhoonna]

Pakistani people amaze me,according to their newspapers,parts of pakistan are already under taliban where they've been hanging dead people and blowing up girls school and they are more worried about palestine.Makes you wonder if they are clueless or just plain jaahil.

[Guest dada_rocks]

their end is nigh that's what it means

[novpj]

the problem is they wont go down quietly; the end game would have to look like US or a proxy afghan govt attacking pakistan from the west, india from the east and breaking it into 3 pieces; think US will have to trade off Taiwan to keep China out of the fray; we will probably be setback 20 years in that war but probably worth the cost of eliminating the pak tax on our economy

[Desi Cartman]

'Time of war' with India has passed, believes Pak: Report

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistani establishment now believes that the "time of war" with India is over and the recent telephonic contacts at the highest military level have led to reduction in tensions generated in the wake of troop build up following the Mumbai terror attacks. "The time of war has gone and even India cannot dare mount surgical strikes primarily because of the uncertain response," an unnamed top official told The News daily after the Directors General of Military Operations of the two countries spoke on their hotline over the weekend. The contacts between the DGMOs had not been suspended after last month's terrorist attacks in Mumbai and that the two officials remained in touch, officials said. The DGMOs discussed the situation along the Line of Control and the international border and other issues, Dawn News channel reported. It quoted sources as saying that the conversation was part of "routine contacts" between the two top military officials. Inter-Services Public Relations chief Maj Gen Athar Abbas too confirmed the talks between the DGMOs. The DGMOs usually make contact on Tuesday on a routine basis but they spoke to each other over the weekend in an "extraordinary move", The News said. "That was only possible with the consent of top military leaders of both the countries. Apparently, this helped lower the tension," a source told the newspaper. It also quoted unnamed defence analysts as saying that war "never breaks out when forces on both sides of the border are prepared". Though there was "some kind of panic at the lower tiers", President Asif Ali Zardari and army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani acted "tactfully with no element of panic", the report said. Many people also questioned the role of the US and leaders of the outgoing Bush administration, as many of them "used their influence in favour of the Indians", the report said. "No one in Pakistan trusts the Americans and their moves... they behaved like friends of the enemy and they put their weight behind Delhi only to test our nerves," said a senior official. Pakistan last week redeployed close to 20,000 troops from the Afghan border to the eastern frontier with India after scaling down operations against the local Taliban in the tribal belt.

If this is true then shouldnt India make Pakis stay at the border for while so Paki economy is totally fooked ..