IKnowU Posted May 24, 2010 Posted May 24, 2010 Ditto. I expected a lame ending. But it is lamer than i imagined. :headshake: sad typical masala thirsty audience whinging. Maybe the reason we never got answers is precisely because the show was never about answers – it was about the journey of the characters, and nothing more. For the past six years, we've followed the lives of the characters, but season after season the 'mythology' of the series was largely left alone. Having seen the finale, that much is clear to me now – it never could have ended any other way. The mysteries are largely left to the viewers interpretation and imagination – just enjoy the ride for what it was.
Params7 Posted May 24, 2010 Posted May 24, 2010 Agreed. You'll only watch Lost once if you only care about the character, and you'll watch it 2+ times if you really want to understand the mythology. Everything makes sense to me, almost except some questions that I'll have to research about. It is literally impossible to pick up everything on one viewing, don't whine if you don't understand it. Regardless, there is a LOST DK Encyclopedia coming out at the end of this year from the creators themselves, but they want to let people discuss and research the answers for themselves. That is what has always made the show so great. If you want it all spoondfed to you, then go watch CSI or something.
ludhianvi Posted May 24, 2010 Posted May 24, 2010 So everyone dies? What was the white light at the end, they gonna move on to where? - why didnt Jack/Desmond turn into black smoke when they came in contact with the light?
IKnowU Posted May 24, 2010 Posted May 24, 2010 So everyone dies? What was the white light at the end, they gonna move on to where? - why didnt Jack/Desmond turn into black smoke when they came in contact with the light? The Island is real, the flash sideways was the purgatory type construct, the rest is as real as it gets, including we can assume Frank, Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Claire and Richard all left the island... and returned somewhere, and lived their lives. Hurley, Ben and Desmond remained on the island, we don't know whether Desmond left, but probably. Same with Bernard and his wife, would have stayed on the island living in peaceful harmony. For those who dont get it still. lost is basically the first and last episode....period(easiest way to put it) The writers bs their way through six years to keep people watching. (smart people they are)
Params7 Posted May 24, 2010 Posted May 24, 2010 *spoilers cometh* why didnt Jack/Desmond turn into black smoke when they came in contact with the light? Desmond was immune to electromagnetism and negatively charged exotic matter (which is how he survived the Swann station implosion and Widmore's experiment) so he couldn't be affected by the light. Jack I don't know yet but it was probably because he was already near death, or it could be that former protectors can't be corrupted in Smokies. So everyone dies? Jack asks the same question from his dad in the final scene. Yeah everybody dies but except Jack/Boone they all lived out their full lives. See the part where Kate says she missed Jack for a very long time. AU was the purgatory when you wait/solve your issues/let go before moving on to heaven/eternity/whatever you want to call it with those closest to you. Jack had daddy issues which he solved with his AU son. Ben didn't come because he probably needs forgiveness from Alex, and reconcile with others close to him.
Guest Hiten. Posted May 25, 2010 Posted May 25, 2010 The finale definitely left you with more questions than answers. 1. As far as I understand, the "parallel" life was not a "life" actually and more like after death sequence where the characters play the usual selves had the plane not crashed obviously not knowing the people on the island. It's like they were denying the fact that they do not exist and tried to blend in with other people living "normal" lives. 2. I still don't understand what the island represented and what the "I am supposed" to business was 3. The light ? :WTF:
IKnowU Posted May 25, 2010 Posted May 25, 2010 Found this excellent summary of the finale, thought it had the finale spot on The black smoke is nothing important. When Jacob was referring to the cork in the wine bottle holding in "hell", it wasn't the smoke monster. It was the literal cork holding in the "hell" (whatever would destroy the island). Presumably the island is some purgatory of itself. That's why some people get stuck on the island as the whispers (namely the bad people?). Now if the island is destroyed, Jacob said that everything they know and love would just no longer be. That implies the alt time line would have been destroyed. As Christian said, "there is no now". The alt timeline just IS. There is no time; that is why they become omniscient of everything when they discover they are dead. Either everybody who has every existed that has yet to move on is in that purgatory, or they constructed their own world to meet back up in since they were the most important to each other. Either works. But this afterlife would be destroyed if the island were destroyed: the world would exist, yes, but after we die it would cut to black. Time is nonexistent to the people on the island. They will all die, they will all pass on. The only thing that matters is the afterlife: if that is destroyed, then they would "no longer be". In the alt timeline purgatory, the good people move on when they recognize they are dead, while the bad people are stuck there as well. Anthony Cooper is a vegetable (worse than death according to show). Keamy and his crew die. The reason it was only those characters in the church was because those were the most important people in their lives. Desmond was willing to run Locke over repeatedly because he was aware that Locke could not die again. Real Aaron wasn't there because he presumably had a more important time of his life off the island when he was older. Michael was stuck on the island; Walt presumably wouldn't have been affected much by the island. Ana Lucia would not have been with them. The church essentially was pointing out that religion is bullshit. There were religious symbols from numerous other religions other than Christianity. They all lead to the same thing, they all preach the same result. Many different religions were there as well. Eloise did not want Dan to move on with them because if Dan realized he was dead, he would realize his mother is the one that did it. She would only be willing to move on with him, but would he move on with her? We wouldn't know, but it seems like people in this afterlife are incredibly forgiving following the realization (Locke has essentially zero reason for forgiving Ben). Ben did not want to move on because he wants to move on with and make up for what he did to his daughter. The island always existed. Everything happened. Hurley and Ben presumably ruled the island for years (what Ben always wanted--to be respected and have appreciated). There are no "special" people. Candidates are sometimes able to see the dead, that's about it. Jack sees his father off the island and he becomes protector. Hurley sees dead people and he becomes a much longer protector. The man in black was SUPPOSED to be the protector (his fake mom wanted it that way) but he did not become the protector and thus Jacob had to take the job. They all died eventually. Kate got off the island; she lived for many years longer than Jack. At the concert, in reference to "I've missed you so much", she was talking about how she missed him for the X years he was dead while she was alive, not in the alt time line. The main theme of this entire show was essentially just faith in what you believe. The island is an amplification of free will and faith. The man in black puts a donkey wheel on a wall connected to an energy source and says "this will take me off the island". He never tries to use it, but centuries later we see Ben use it and guess what? He leaves the island. This happens infinite times throughout the series. The "rules" created only exist because they believe in them. They have faith the button saves the world. It does. But there had to be a time when a button did not exist; therefore, it became necessary when the button came into existence. When a new protector of the island makes rules, those become the rules. Jacob's mother said they could not hurt each other. Jacob becomes protector, suddenly he kills his brother. The rules have changed. Jacob makes new rules. None have importance: "it's just chalk on a wall". Hurley becomes protector. Ben is wise when he says, "You're the ruler now. Jacob isn't anymore. You can do things the way you want them." Whenever people saw this "other world", it was a near-death experience in which they saw their afterlife. Juliet was seeing her conversation with Sawyer (she could have seen anything; there is no time in the afterlife). When she says it worked, she does not realize what she saw was them dead. When Desmond is electromagnetized by Widmore, he does not know that he actually sees his afterlife. I thought of some other things during it, but I can't remember them now. In any case, there are two things a finale can do: improve the series as a whole, or bring it down in disappointment. Did it improve upon season 6? Yes. We could rewatch it again and see 400 things we did not notice before (Rose saying, "You can let go", is not in reference to Jack holding on to the plane seat, but to moving on). . In my opinion, if you take the time to dissect the finale, it was actually very well done I didn't write this but I agree with it all
Zap_Brannigan Posted May 26, 2010 Posted May 26, 2010 Found this excellent summary of the finale, thought it had the finale spot on In my opinion, if you take the time to dissect the finale, it was actually very well done I didn't write this but I agree with it all Stopped reading after the 1st few lines because he is completely wrong even about all the things that was directly told to us . "Presumably the island is some purgatory of itself. That's why some people get stuck on the island as the whispers (namely the bad people?). Now if the island is destroyed, Jacob said that everything they know and love would just no longer be. That implies the alt time line would have been destroyed. As Christian said, "there is no now". The alt timeline just IS. There is no time; that is why they become omniscient of everything when they discover they are dead. Either everybody who has every existed that has yet to move on is in that purgatory, or they constructed their own world to meet back up in since they were the most important to each other. Either works. But this afterlife would be destroyed if the island were destroyed: the world would exist, yes, but after we die it would cut to black. Time is nonexistent to the people on the island. They will all die, they will all pass on. The only thing that matters is the afterlife: if that is destroyed, then they would "no longer be"." The Island was real and whatever happened in it happened. The flash-sideways was the purgatory and was just a place created by the losties to see each other one last time before they moved on. Everything else like Island being hell is not true...the writers just have no idea what it was either.
Params7 Posted May 26, 2010 Posted May 26, 2010 For those confused : From the productions of Bad Robot itself regarding the basic overall plot : http://www.spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=19342&start=0 And here's everything you want to know about the finale : http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20387946,00.html The guy in IknowU article pretty much expanded what I said about the cork in my earlier post =\ @BB : 1. Its purgatory. Explained nicely in above posts and in articles I linked. 2. Island represented a number of things, ranging from covering a massive pocket of electromagnetic and negative charged exotic matter, to holding Hell/something like hell corked down, plus many other things one can't bother with. "I Am Supposed To" is what the whole show was all about from the beginning - Man Of Science vs Man Of Faith (Jack vs Locke in beginning seasons). Jack, like the show itself, sided with Faith in the end. 3. Light was basically said to be the source of life. Which is why everybody kept saying don't let it go out or everything would end. Either earth would be physically consumed and shattered like the island was going to, or Hell would be unleashed or like Sayid/Claire under MiB's control they would be like mindless zombies following orders. Everything else like Island being hell is not true...the writers just have no idea what it was either. Believe that if you want to. It isn't directly stated as Hell (though hinted at) but something that would end all life an that is literally, stated multiple times throughout the show. I really suggest you try to nitpick stuff from this 2nd article I linked above. By far one of the best show analysis I've ever read.
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