Gunner_Mania Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ofc they can reseed for the knockout stages. The first round is league stages and then it is knock out. It makes sense to have 1 through 16 properly listed for the knockout. It would also make sense to have the groupings and the team allocation properly so that they don't have an absurd Spain/Portugal vs Brazil round of 16 possibility. Anyways here is how they did it (approx info): http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2456718/2010_world_cup_groups_draw_for_united.html?cat=14 That is just ridiculous. Your suggestion is that a not highly ranked team should not get the opportunity to win the cup and only the top ranked teams should win it. If Portugal /Brazil/Spain are such a good team why can't they beat one of the other and progress why would they need a lesser team to beat and then face the stronger team in the later stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner_Mania Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ok' date=' why should Brazil vs Portugal/Spain be by luck of the draw? That approach seems flawed.[/quote'] Why should they need special status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 That is just ridiculous. Your suggestion is that a not highly ranked team should not get the opportunity to win the cup and only the top ranked teams should win it. If Portugal /Brazil/Spain are such a good team why can't they beat one of the other and progress why would they need a lesser team to beat and then face the stronger team in the later stages. Why ridiculous? All I am saying is start knockout stages with the proper seeding based on league stage performance. It is the way all knockouts are. Teams are seeded based on the recent standings. What you are saying is like why not start Wimbledon with Nadal vs Federer first round since they need to beat the other anyways. :giggle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Why should they need special status? Not talking about them in particular. Talking about getting a chance to watch the better teams in later stages of a tourney. It is common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner_Mania Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 On what basis would you seed them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SachDan Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 Iniesta makes a whole lot of diffrence to Spanish team! He limped off the field after 60mins against Swiss and that was one of the main reasons why Spain even failed to equalise against such a poor team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner_Mania Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Not talking about them in particular. Talking about getting a chance to watch the better teams in later stages of a tourney. It is common sense. Well no. if teams like England & France played **** & gave opportunities to Ghana & the US to gete asy matches, why should they be penalised by re-seeding again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Well no. if teams like England & France played **** & gave opportunities to Ghana & the US to gete asy matches' date=' why should they be penalised by re-seeding again.[/quote'] What are you talking about? France is gone. US and Ghana will have opportunity to continue to play. I say seed them based on points earned in league stages and have tie breaker rules which can include one or more of goal difference, finished 1st or 2nd in group, etc. This might very well mean Brazil vs Portugal in round of 16, but at least will be more logical, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 BTW, I am ok with current rules. Just that they seem to have gotten adjacent groups wrong and some groups like Portugal/Spain one seem to be overloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner_Mania Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 The problem with that is the last league games finish tonight and the last two teams of teh 16 will be identified tonight , and Rd of 16 starts tomorrow, teams playing tomorrow wouldn't even know who they are next oppent is, where and when. Imagine the logistical nightmare for players, fans and selling of tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner_Mania Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 BTW' date=' I am ok with current rules. Just that they seem to have gotten adjacent groups wrong and some groups like Portugal/Spain one seem to be overloaded.[/quote'] Argentina play Mexico, England play Germany, Brazil play Chile, Spain play Portugal. So it is unavoidable. To be honest there are about 12-14 top teams and there are going to be marquee matches in the round of 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner_Mania Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 TBH, Spain still arent at their best in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veer Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 In the knock out round, lot of teams gonna play 'time pass' game once they lead in the game right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner_Mania Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 ^that is always a possibility in footy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 The problem with that is the last league games finish tonight and the last two teams of teh 16 will be identified tonight ' date=' and Rd of 16 starts tomorrow, teams playing tomorrow wouldn't even know who they are next oppent is, where and when. Imagine the logistical nightmare for players, fans and selling of tickets.[/quote'] That's why they have fixed groups same as what we do now in cricket world cup. Given that, no way should Brazil and Spain/Portugal be in adjacent groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veer Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 That's why they have fixed groups same as what we do now in cricket world cup. Given that' date=' no way should Brazil and Spain/Portugal be in adjacent groups.[/quote'] adjacent group is ok but should not be in the same group... like Brazil and Portugal are.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 adjacent group is ok but should not be in the same group... like Brazil and Portugal are.. that definitely. totally absurd to have Brazil/Portugal in same group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner_Mania Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 That's why they have fixed groups same as what we do now in cricket world cup. Given that' date=' no way should Brazil and Spain/Portugal be in adjacent groups.[/quote'] It was like India & Aussie were in T20 with Bangles. Portugal & france came into this tournamenet unseeded, they scraped through play offs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner_Mania Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 How it all works: The 32 nations will be drawn into eight groups of four with the top two in each group progressing to the knockout stages, beginning with a round of 16. The teams will be seeded in four pots which have been confirmed by Fifa: Pot 1: (seeds) South Africa, Germany, Brazil, Italy, Spain, England, Holland, Argentina. Pot 2: (Asia, Oceania and North/Central America) Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Australia, New Zealand, USA, Mexico, Honduras. Pot 3: (Africa and South America) Ivory Coast, Ghana, Cameroon, Nigeria, Algeria, Paraguay, Chile, Uruguay. Pot 4: (Europe) France, Portugal, Slovenia, Switzerland, Greece, Serbia, Denmark, Slovakia. * Hosts South Africa will be automatically positioned as A1; the other seeded teams will be drawn into the other groups B-H, but will always be in position '1' of their group. * Groups will be drawn from A to H and the positions in the group will be drawn for Pots two to four * Geographical criteria will also be respected, meaning that no two teams from the same confederation will be drawn in the same group (except European teams, where a maximum of two will be in a group). For example, South Africa cannot play the African teams from Pot 3 and Argentina and Brazil cannot be drawn against the three remaining South American teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 This is clear. Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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