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[The Outsider]

Re: Important - please vote here. Infact, let me backtrack a bit. CC suggested that Indians in general value culture/language etc. more than the concept of a nation. It might be a correct statement or not, but a poll comprising of people, around half of whom are not citizens, and 90% dont vote is certainly not the way to find out. If you think it is I suggest reading Polling 101, many tutorials are available online. With that I am out of this one.

[gator]

Re: Important - please vote here.

Infact, let me backtrack a bit. CC suggested that Indians in general value culture/language etc. more than the concept of a nation. It might be a correct statement or not, but a poll comprising of people, around half of whom are not citizens, and 90% dont vote is certainly not the way to find out. If you think it is I suggest reading Polling 101, many tutorials are available online.

forget backtrack, u r off-track.... CC suggested that PEOPLE in general value culture/language more than COUNTRY.... and AFAIK, the ones who voted were PEOPLE

[CC1981]

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CC suggested that PEOPLE in general value culture/language more than COUNTRY.... and AFAIK, the ones who voted were PEOPLE

So okay, next time someone says 'people in general do this', go to a site where 90% people are in the porn industry and then hold their view as an accurate benchmark of the whole group they are generalizing about. What part of 'when it comes to guaging how a nation feels/is inclined towards , cannot be judged by people who are NOT residing in the said country' doesnt make sense to you ? And as usual, you and your usual hinduvta suspects are back at the frantic backpatting - so its reduced down to 'two' people - nevermind that there have been plenty more than just 'two' who pointed out that your poll is utterly unscientific, meaningless and a sheer demonstration of how to twist someone's words.

[CC1981]

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My policy is simple - if war happens' date=' thou shalt find me some place else. [/quote'] redundant post... we already know, wat u will do....

We also know what the 'jo garajte hai woh baraste naheen' type all-talk-but-live-overseas wannabe-patriots would do but you just want to potray that you will do differently.

[CC1981]

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1. Again you dont know their citizenship status. And from our interaction with most folks these are people who have emigrated in the past decade or so.

If you've been out of India for over a decade, you got utterly NO CLUE about what India feels/where India is headed TODAY. India circa 2007 is VERY different than India circa 1997 and no amount of nonsense-talk from you is going to change that.

[gator]

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My policy is simple - if war happens' date=' thou shalt find me some place else. [/quote'] redundant post... we already know, wat u will do....

We also know what the 'jo garajte hai woh baraste naheen' type all-talk-but-live-overseas wannabe-patriots would do but you just want to potray that you will do differently.

this is like a coward calling everyone a coward.... do u feel less lonely now?

[gator]

Re: Important - please vote here. CC, i suggest, u start with this..... my 5 yr old plays with this a lot and my sister claims, it helps kid develop intelligence....

[ask4me]

Re: Important - please vote here. Personally for ME, when sitting outside the country i would say, Country comes first. since then the world will be the superset and country the subset distinguishing one subset (country) to another(country/subset) and that is what My identity is, by my country and then a Punjabi or for that matter any other culture/religion but when I am in India, Country becomes the Super-set and the culture becomes the Sub-set, NOW Culture will come first coz that is how I will be identified with-in india. coa that is the level of differenciation then. If me being say a Punjabi hindu is there and there is another Punjabi muslim and say bengali/tamilian etc Hindu is there, I might relate to a Punjabi Muslim more than any one else whose culture might be a bit more different. BUT, it doesnt mean that say if I am a Punjabi, and a lot of pakistani's are punjabi's as well, I would relate to them them first over another bengali indian or a south Indian. :wtg: Then country is the common Bond and will supersede. :hmph: and by saying so, if any other citizen of a country favors people from same/similar culture/religion from other country over than a person of differenet culture/religion , i would say he a traitor to that country. I hope that makes sense. :wtg: and Mind it please, By using the word favor, i am not suggesting playing favouritism on the caste/culture/etc or any other irrational favors. so i thought let me clarify it before hand rather than spending loads of tiime explaining people what exactly i meant/dint meant. :hmph:

[kumble_rocks]

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Heres a similar poll conducted by BBC Gallup poll which has the "official" stamp which is so necessary for ermm couple of folks here http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/09_september/16/india.shtml

Good Link. This poll clearly vindicates this MB poll and expresses the same sentiments expressed by the so called NRI's . Country first always ! :wtg: CC , I think , even you will have to admit that more people identify with their country first then culture/religion etc.

[varun]

Re: Important - please vote here. Wow you got loads of time on your hands ask4me.. hehehe :hic: Good job explaining though :wtg:

[varun]

Re: Important - please vote here.

Heres a similar poll conducted by BBC Gallup poll which has the "official" stamp which is so necessary for ermm couple of folks here http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/09_september/16/india.shtml

Good Link. This poll clearly vindicates this MB poll and expresses the same sentiments expressed by the so called NRI's . Country first always ! :wtg: CC , I think , even you will have to admit that more people identify with their country first then culture/religion etc.

Don't want to nitpick, but the poll says 45% for state+religion, and 34% for nationality.

[kumble_rocks]

Re: Important - please vote here.

Heres a similar poll conducted by BBC Gallup poll which has the "official" stamp which is so necessary for ermm couple of folks here http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/09_september/16/india.shtml

Good Link. This poll clearly vindicates this MB poll and expresses the same sentiments expressed by the so called NRI's . Country first always ! :wtg: CC , I think , even you will have to admit that more people identify with their country first then culture/religion etc.

Don't want to nitpick, but the poll says 45% for state+religion, and 34% for nationality.

Good Catch ! Question is , Should state be considered as a geographical boundary or is it a cultural/lingual thing ? :shrug:

[ask4me]

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Wow you got loads of time on your hands ask4me.. hehehe :hic: Good job explaining though :wtg:

thanks varun :wtg: on the contrary there are other maharathis here who have more time on hand and their imprints on most of the posts across the 9 pages of this topic are the jeeta jaagta saboot of it. I just tried to put it across the way I thought made sense :hmph:

[CC1981]

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Don't want to nitpick, but the poll says 45% for state+religion, and 34% for nationality.

So after nine pages of utter nonsense and crapfest polls (Where people cannot differentiate between nationalism and the concept of KNOWING what the nation feels like) we find out that i am right as usual. :hic: :hmph:

[King Tendulkar]

Re: Important - please vote here. Country come first

[CC1981]

Re: Important - please vote here.

So exactly on what basis did you combine Religion+State to come up with 45%

The entire premise was people care more about religion/culture/region than country.Ie, its country vs the rest, hence Religion + state added together.

[varun]

Re: Important - please vote here. Hmm.. well BB I would imagine that a state is more reflective of language. Lets say you're from Karnataka, I'm sure your identity as a Kannadiga will be reflected a *lot* by the fact that you speak Kannada and the culture associated with it. I've encountered a lot of angst from Kannadigas when I as a kid ignorantly clubbed their language together with the Tamil and Telugu languages.

[kumble_rocks]

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So exactly on what basis did you combine Religion+State to come up with 45%

The entire premise was people care more about religion/culture/region than country.Ie, its country vs the rest, hence Religion + state added together.

State could be geographical boundary mate and could be clubbed with country like Bheem mentioned.

[head coach]

Re: Important - please vote here. The regional outlook applies more for people who speak a regional language not Hindi at home. People in north mostly speak Hindi even though you have varous regional languages whereas people who are from South and Bengal area stick to their regional language and may even completely ignore Hindi when they do one on one. This is one of the major reason the culture itself is derieved out of a regional perspective than a national level. Therfore region or culture in their state applies more relvant than the whole country for people in South.

[The Outsider]

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Which "PEOPLE"? "INDIANS", right? Take a guess Prof ? :wall: :wall: :wall: This is a IndianCricketFans site ... so majority will be Indians ... unless you wanna get to pedantics and site the case of Mundapakistani. Why does it always have to get so excruciating and pedantic for such a straight forward question with you two I will never know.

Huh? But the guy who started the poll says its not about Indians, its about "PEOPLE". Whatever the heck that means. Moreover, you have already agreed that the people on this site are not representative of India. So whats the point of this poll?

1. Again you dont know their citizenship status. And from our interaction with most folks these are people who have emigrated in the past decade or so. 2. What has ones current country of residence got to do with the poll ?

I am pretty sure my ballpark figure of 50% non citizens and 90% who dont vote is not that off specially the latter which is more relevant. I've already explained point 2 in my previous posts.