CC1981 Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? Oh and the recent UN panel of thousands of scientists did conclude we're responsible for GW. Nice try to pawn off Dubya as global responsibility...but it is still you yankee's responsibility for electing the duffer of the century for President. :hic: :hic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birbal3 Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? What I don't get is that it is all DOOM and GLOOM...there may be POSITIVE things to come out of global warming too... why are they not covered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakin Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? Like what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birbal3 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? Like some regions turning from Desert to green verdant areas because of increased rainfall... or more productive fisheries... or longer growing seasons and hence more food in certain areas... It can't all be NEGATIVE... there is always some positive... The question is is the NEGATIVE much higher than positive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? The negatives of global warming are so catastrophic that in the overall scheme of things there are no positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birbal3 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? You are convinced completely about this? There are things in nature called self-correcting mechanisms...and maybe some of them will kick in...before the drastic results predicted come to pass... Anyway, it is a thought provoking film...and yes GW is definitely a concern...but nearer term hunger and poor water and sanitation which kills nearly 20,000 thousand people a DAY... should be a bigger concern... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakin Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? The negatives of global warming are so catastrophic that in the overall scheme of things there are no positives.x2 Very true To start with, while some dry areas might get more rainfalls, it's more than certain that much more bigger areas will suffer from severe drought. While some fish or species might benefit, countless others will suffer and become extinct. The +ves don't stack upto the -ves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birbal3 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? There was that famous bet by a scientist in 1970 who challenged all the DOOM AND GLOOM of Alvin Tofler...and bet him in 2000 that prices for all minerals and fuels would be lower than in 1970 in inflation adjusted terms...and the great scarcity he was predicting wouldn't materialize... Guess who won the bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birbal3 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? I am not saying GW should be completely ignored...what I am saying is that GW should NOT be treated as a FACT just a possibility with significant probability.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakin Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? You are convinced completely about this? There are things in nature called self-correcting mechanisms...and maybe some of them will kick in...before the drastic results predicted come to pass... Anyway, it is a thought provoking film...and yes GW is definitely a concern...but nearer term hunger and poor water and sanitation which kills nearly 20,000 thousand people a DAY... should be a bigger concern... The self-correcting mechanism will result in the ice-age in many countries. And yes, daily problems are a concern and you'll always find daily problems even from 100 years from now, but this is just too catastrophic to put off for later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birbal3 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? Anakin do you have climate modeling data for what you are claiming or is it based on hearsay from the DOOM and GLOOM merchants...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? You are convinced completely about this? As of now I am 100% convinced of this. Having said that, climate prediction is still a very young and evolving science so its possible there are aspects which scientists have missed out which might alter the predictions. But again those can go either way as well. However, on current evidence there are no positives in the grand scheme of things. There are things in nature called self-correcting mechanisms...and maybe some of them will kick in...before the drastic results predicted come to pass... Very unlikely. Earth's self correcting mechanisms work on a much slower pace than the kind of rapid changes we are talking about here. but nearer term hunger and poor water and sanitation which kills nearly 20,000 thousand people a DAY... should be a bigger concern... Sure hunger etc. are big problems but the its not a either or situation. Both problems should be tackled. If anything, global warming needs more attention given the irreparable losses we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birbal3 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? Anakin what are you babbling about...seems you have bought the premise hook line and sinker...without questioning some of the assumptions... The self correcting mechanism is NOT an ice-age...it could be something as simple as ACCELERATED Carbon sequestration due to a larger area or longer plant growing season globally... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakin Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? Well, overwhelming majority of scientists are not DOOM and GLOOM merchants, in real world just check who are masters of that (hint: iraq and alqaeda), and ironically they are the ones who'll believe in jesus and heaven and creationism but would doubt scientific data and theories. As I said before, thousands of scientists of the UN panel already did lots of research on this, their latest report proved how it already has started to have serious effects and that was based on things already happened, not on some models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakin Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? Anakin what are you babbling about...seems you have bought the premise hook line and sinker...without questioning some of the assumptions... The self correcting mechanism is NOT an ice-age...it could be something as simple as ACCELERATED Carbon sequestration due to a larger area or longer plant growing season globally...So you think there won't be any ice-age? edit: although i did sound wrong, i meant to say it'll balance itself out like it had before, but ice-age is very plausible and a way to balance I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? Like some regions turning from Desert to green verdant areas because of increased rainfall... or more productive fisheries... or longer growing seasons and hence more food in certain areas... It can't all be NEGATIVE... there is always some positive... The question is is the NEGATIVE much higher than positive... Total negetive count : 109503549034590350834095 Total positive count : 20. You get the idea i hope. Its not just about increasing productivity...that is probably true but in extremely select cases in the very northern arctic as it thaws out. Any potential gain from longer growing seasons or more lush climate is utterly offset by the fact that global warming = no more snow in the tropical mountains = himalayas, andes, rockies, alps, tien shan, etc. all de-glaciated. Thus no more rivers or death of most of the major rivers. No more major rivers = humanity/civilization ends. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? but nearer term hunger and poor water and sanitation which kills nearly 20,000 thousand people a DAY... should be a bigger concern... Not really. What is dooming mankind right now is that we are massively overpopulated and that the planet is dying because of our overpopulation. When total global population jumps from less than 1 billion to more than six billion in just over 200-300 years ( not even a BLINK of an eye in geological terms), the issue is of over-used resources. Take India for example - the ganges basin is supposed to be one of THE most fertile and water-rich areas on the planet, if not *the* most water-rich. More rivers than any other draining into the same basin plus year-round snow melt, monsoons and a water table that is relatively close to the surface because of relatively recent geological nature of the ganges basin. Yet the ganges basin is experiencing falling water table and water shortage. Categoric example of how overpopulation is an equally big, if not bigger problem than producing greenhouse gases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? seems you have bought the premise hook line and sinker...without questioning some of the assumptions Maybe that is because he is trained in the sciences and not with a categoric agenda. GW is not a possibility or a probability- its a factuality. No two ways about it. This is not a case of listening to the doom-n-gloom experts- this is more like anyone who seriously tries to trash GW is more than likely being funded by someone/some organization where GW awareness hurts their immediate short-term moneymaking. And not only is it not just a big concern to be dealt with - i've seen some really panicked looks at researcher's faces at a recent seminar in UBC about GW. The common consensus amongst scientists i know is that not only is that its a big concern, we are too effing late. Ie, we *are* doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakin Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Re: Has anyone watched the film; An Inconvenient Truth ? Bump, worth watching http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=2635779n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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