The Outsider Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way On the topic of how we are screwing up and following up on the water table and soil erosion issues CC mentioned, there is also the immense problem of soil contamination and slowly a lot of land which was once being farmed is becoming unusable. There was a study a few years back which showed that the Arsenic levels in the soil around Yamuna near Delhi is 5-7 times higher than the maximum amount suitable for human consumption. That was just Arsenic, many other poisonous metals are way over the prescribed limit and the contamination is spreading throughout the Gangetic plain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Common knowldege is u are delusional fool. hahahaha. This is what bheeru comes up with when i answered EVERY SINGLE point this semi-educated man has raised. You asked about Bihar, i answered why your beloved bihar is smoky. Lekin chup nahi huaan miyan...just ignored my points and launched into irrelevant topic-changing tactics. You defend marauding comunazis then very next moment ur heart bleeds for ganagsters Again, you are a liar. I never defended gangsters - i explicitly raised the issue of the dead woman who was his wife. I have a fairly good idea how your mentality thinks. I am willing to bet you are the dowry-accepting wife-beating kind. Hence your disregard for the fact that this guy's wife was the victim simply coz she was in the way. Oh and i didnt defend anything the CPM did. But you are too much of a dimwitted fanatic to realize that. I merely educated you on the fact that you are blowing it out of proportions and what you are alleging to be 'communazi CPM behaviour' in your sensationalist style (prob. because you are a money-grabbing capitalist nutter, this much is evident from your disregard for GW as well) is being perpetrated by EVERY PARTY AND EVERY GROUP in the nandigraam incidents. I referred you to far better sources of news coverage when it comes to bengal but your dimwitted fanatic mind ignored that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumble_rocks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way CC and DR , Chill out guys ! Please don't take this debates too seriously . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumble_rocks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way On the topic of how we are ***** up and following up on the water table and soil erosion issues CC mentioned' date=' there is also the immense problem of soil contamination and slowly a lot of land which was once being farmed is becoming unusable. There was a study a few years back which showed that the Arsenic levels in the soil around Yamuna near Delhi is 5-7 times higher than the maximum amount suitable for human consumption. That was just Arsenic, many other poisonous metals are way over the prescribed limit and the contamination is spreading throughout the Gangetic plain.[/quote'] Holy ganges ! Does that mean I can't drink Ganga water. :hic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Dont worry mate - i am chilled. It is plain to see who wants to focus on climate related issues on this thread and who is interested in raising bakwaas points based on psuedo-science and ignorance on the topic that results in personal jabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Guys can we keep it to global warming and related topics on this thread. With 4-5 concurrent debates going on in different threads lets not jumble them up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Guys can we keep it to global warming and related topics on this thread. With 4-5 concurrent debates going on in different threads lets not jumble them up!! Look who is talking I can see in kokona sen thread detour has gotten ur customary approval .. :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Guys can we keep it to global warming and related topics on this thread. With 4-5 concurrent debates going on in different threads lets not jumble them up!! Look who is talking I can see in kokona sen thread detour has gotten ur customary approval .. :lmao: FYI, I didn't even read the major part of that thread till today and just made a comment on it congratulating CC on a superb post he made on Bengal history there. Whats your point anyways? Do you have one or is it your customary gibberish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Guys can we keep it to global warming and related topics on this thread. With 4-5 concurrent debates going on in different threads lets not jumble them up!! Look who is talking I can see in kokona sen thread detour has gotten ur customary approval .. :lmao: FYI, I didn't even read the major part of that thread till today and just made a comment on it congratulating CC on a superb post he made on Bengal history there. Whats your point anyways? Do you have one or is it your customary gibberish? never mind nobody needs ur idiotic policing here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Look who is talking I can see in kokona sen thread detour has gotten ur customary approva Detour ? You mean the posts where i EDUCATED you..right. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX_1138 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way to all you assholes you who think that this is scare mongering and is too premature or that global warming is not occurring, go frack yourself. as an economist, i can tell you this much, measures taken to counter global warming, i.e. move towards renewable energy, cleaner and efficient building practices, and above all, curbing carbon emissions will actually stimulate the economy. while this eight year estimate is certainly too pessimistic, it is indeed true that we are on the threshold of preventing runaway global warming which will have dire consequences. if people like dada rocks (who i thought was quite sensible till like a few days ago) think that we have nothing to worry or that the onus is on the west, well know this, with the exception of united states, the west is way ahead of us. their per capita carbon emissions might be more but thats because we have a large population that has no significant contribution towards carbon emissions simply because they dont have or cant afford electricity and automobiles. yet, western european countries are well ahead of the rest when it comes to installation of renewable energy sources such as wind and solar. go do your homework dada rocks, figure out how profitable the wind energy and turbine industry is currently and then do the same for solar energy. just to give you an idea, SunEdisson, a company that install solar power plants in new jersey and the tri state are; started by an indian who won the Harvard business school award for 2004 (and received 24million from Goldman sacchs as capital), has recorded a 1000% (yes not hundred, thousand) growth in the past three years and it is not showing signs of slowing down. do you know the cost of providing electricty to remote villages in india using a thermal power plant? tremendous, first you must construct the installation, then recruit a crew to run it, then lay long distribution cables and then setup a whole grid. not to mention the human cost of exorbitant exploitation of the poor who work in coal mines.... trust me dada rocks if you had to work a day in a coal mine, you would be hugging trees like a fracking koala bear... now juxtaposition that with installation of a wind generator. we in india have the same advance technology in this field as denmark and germany, except at the low scale (we are still not close to manufacturing the massive 5MW turbines they fellows are churning out by the hundreds). all you need to do is find a spot, put the damn thing in the ground, and wire it up. decentralization of the generators... reduced transmission losses, reduced cost of infrastructure establishment and little to no maintenance required. our dependence on fossil fuels is actually adding to a form of slavery that this century is witnessing. we hold our lower classes captive to their past and their legacy... the son of a coal miner inevitably becomes a coal miner, the son of a construction worker becomes a construction worker... get up and open your eyes. there are other threats to our security than merely radical islam or women with skirts too short for the liking of the Shiv Sena fundamentalists... i dont know if its eight year or ten or twenty, all i know is this world is my only home and i dont wanna frack with it. so if you cant help, dont get in the way coz i for one will pound your azz into the ground if you do interrupt my crusade. to quote el presidente... "you are with us or against us". no middle ground here. shape up or stand aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX_1138 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way On the topic of how we are ***** up and following up on the water table and soil erosion issues CC mentioned' date=' there is also the immense problem of soil contamination and slowly a lot of land which was once being farmed is becoming unusable. There was a study a few years back which showed that the Arsenic levels in the soil around Yamuna near Delhi is 5-7 times higher than the maximum amount suitable for human consumption. That was just Arsenic, many other poisonous metals are way over the prescribed limit and the contamination is spreading throughout the Gangetic plain.[/quote'] you hit the nail right on the head... the thing is that these problems are interconnected. its not just our cars or our factories, its our entire practice of building and living that deserves a closer scrutiny. if i can make a few suggestions, to all the people living in delhi, next time you buy soap and detergent, look for the ecologically safe variant. you might have to shell out a few more bucks, but its our moral obligation. another thing, if you have access to a garden, just dig a small pit and toss all your organic waste in there and then cover it and forget it about it... do this just once or twice a month and you are enriching the soil each time and helping in sequestering carbon otherwise lost to the atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX_1138 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Hear all! if you have itunes (dont need an ipod for that), i would recommend the following podcasts... just run a search for them in the itunes store and under podcasts criteria of the results, these will be listed. Podcasting is like listening to a radio program which is downloaded on your computer periodically as an mp3 and you can keep it as long as you wish. it is free! 1. Inside Renewable Energy (very good podcast that focuses on the development of renewable energy in united states and europe and reports on how the market in that sector is behaving, plus any technology break throughs). 2. Practical Green Living (everything from ecologically safe recipes to gardening tips to how you can save electricity at home). 3. TreeHugger Radio (hosted by an anglo indian: simran sethi, this similar to the above two and it also showcases any political/policy developments). 4. Grist: Environmental News (more like a news update about policy, politics, and technological developments related to the environment). there a few others that i listen to but might not be for everyone: Renewable Energy: week in review (mostly america centric) Energy Priorities Podcast: again, america centric and more conversational than the above, i.e. not created as a broadcast, intended to make the listener a third party to a discussion/interview; updated once every 60 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way Top posts, THX!!:wtg: trust me dada rocks if you had to work a day in a coal mine, you would be hugging trees like a fracking koala bear... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX_1138 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way CC and DR ' date=' Chill out guys ! Please don't take this debates too seriously . [/quote'] on the contrary, as winston churchill said "the age of half measures and procrastination is drawing to a close, we are not entering a period of consequences" if dada rocks wishes to reside underneath a rock, he needs to be shaken out of his morass and agitated and invigorated into action. but if he must resist that, then he must stand at the side mute for this is not a matter of free speech or opinion, its a matter of true and false. if you chooses to believe in the false at the expense of the truth, then any attempt by him to proselytize the falsehood should be snubbed with extreme prejudice. i might not subscribe to the communist politics of CC, but if saving the world means strange bedfellows, then i am with him on this all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way i might not subscribe to the communist politics of CC For frack's sake, i am not a commie. A socialist maybe, a humanist definitely but a commie i aint. Communism 'looks good on paper' but doesnt work. Incidentally, i am not too big on hydro or bio-diesel but i think India ( particularly the NW states of Rajasthan,Gujrat and Haryana) have superb solar potential. And the solar potential there is ridiculous- something like Rajasthan alone has over 10 times the solar potential than India needs currently ( even at current 15-20% efficiency of PVCs). IMO, looking at just India, along with implementation of a sound energy policy, we badly need attention to our population problem. Maybe not hardcore 'one child policy or else you are fracked' of China but maybe there should be social incentives of having just one kid. A region that had a population of 250 million 100 years ago now has a population of over 1.3 billion ! That right there is the second biggest, if not the biggest source of our problem. We may have enough food in this world to feed up to 25 billion people but we are nowhere close in matching other resources for 7 billion+ people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX_1138 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way i might not subscribe to the communist politics of CC For frack's sake, i am not a commie. A socialist maybe, a humanist definitely but a commie i aint. Communism 'looks good on paper' but doesnt work. Incidentally, i am not too big on hydro or bio-diesel but i think India ( particularly the NW states of Rajasthan,Gujrat and Haryana) have superb solar potential. And the solar potential there is ridiculous- something like Rajasthan alone has over 10 times the solar potential than India needs currently ( even at current 15-20% efficiency of PVCs). IMO, looking at just India, along with implementation of a sound energy policy, we badly need attention to our population problem. Maybe not hardcore 'one child policy or else you are fracked' of China but maybe there should be social incentives of having just one kid. A region that had a population of 250 million 100 years ago now has a population of over 1.3 billion ! That right there is the second biggest, if not the biggest source of our problem. We may have enough food in this world to feed up to 25 billion people but we are nowhere close in matching other resources for 7 billion+ people. the wind power potential reserves of india: 15 trillion Watts, three times our total annual consumption. actually i dont like ethanol at all! it comes at the expense of deforestation (more land needed for agriculture) and it is still going to result in dependence on the oil companies. we will still require a massive infrastructure of distribution, large scale manufacturing and above all. ethanol is more polluting!!! it releases formaldyhe into the atmosphere. so unless you desire to see that timid chamelon in your garden turn into godzilla, i say ethanol is not the way to go. the solution is actually quite simple: produce more electricty efficiently using sources such as wind power, solar power, nuclear, hydroelectric (small scale as opposed to large scale that can often displace the ethnic population at the site), and others such as tidal and biomass and then design better and more efficient electric vehicles. and as for untapped resources of renewable energy: wind generators installed offshore, some three to five miles from the coast can generate electricity at a constant and reliable rate as opposed to on land. denmark received over 40 percent of its total electricity from wind farms. while india is the fifth largest producer of wind energy, the total annual installed wattage is a fraction of what other countries such as united states (inspite of its pro oil government and policies) and germany are achieving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX_1138 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way i might not subscribe to the communist politics of CC For frack's sake, i am not a commie. A socialist maybe, a humanist definitely but a commie i aint. Communism 'looks good on paper' but doesnt work. Incidentally, i am not too big on hydro or bio-diesel but i think India ( particularly the NW states of Rajasthan,Gujrat and Haryana) have superb solar potential. And the solar potential there is ridiculous- something like Rajasthan alone has over 10 times the solar potential than India needs currently ( even at current 15-20% efficiency of PVCs). IMO, looking at just India, along with implementation of a sound energy policy, we badly need attention to our population problem. Maybe not hardcore 'one child policy or else you are fracked' of China but maybe there should be social incentives of having just one kid. A region that had a population of 250 million 100 years ago now has a population of over 1.3 billion ! That right there is the second biggest, if not the biggest source of our problem. We may have enough food in this world to feed up to 25 billion people but we are nowhere close in matching other resources for 7 billion+ people. i hate to be pedantic here... i dont know if i can ascertain that claim and i know for certain that your figures about the efficiency of polar voltaic cells is incorrect. the very best polar voltaic cells are achieving at best 6-8% efficiency and the latest breakthrough (yet on the drawing table) developed in great part at my alma mater claims to have achieved 12%. moreover, these thick film pvcs do not work very efficiently in overcast skies, and there are a thin film variety that are not as efficient under the blazing sun, but over the entire day, their output is greater. for more on these thin film solar cells, google "stan ovshinsky", a self made genius maverick industrialist. p.s. hey dada, thats another example of how a environmentally conscious humanist can "feed the hungry mouths". stan ovshinsky taught himself engineering, setup a business around creating renewable energy devices and next generation metal hydride batteries. and yeah, he has made himself a nice little fortune on the way. did not receive any government funding infact was often faced by detractors, one of which was GM company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way wind generators installed offshore First time i am hearing about this. Could you please show me some more info about this ? I don't get it how off-shore wind generators are gonna work...is it like a huge oil-rig pontoon except with a windmill at the top ? And the electricity generator is a small scale generator on each pontoon ? Somehow this sounds like an engineering blunder to me...but i will hold off judgement for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Re: Scare-mongering is ON: just eight years no freaking way the very best polar voltaic cells are achieving at best 6-8% efficiency and the latest breakthrough (yet on the drawing table) developed in great part at my alma mater claims to have achieved 12%. moreover, these thick film pvcs do not work very efficiently in overcast skies, and there are a thin film variety that are not as efficient under the blazing sun, but over the entire day, their output is greater. for more on these thin film solar cells, google "stan ovshinsky", a self made genius maverick industrialist. Well when i said 15-20 %, i meant that the photovoltaic cells convert around 15-20% of incident sunlight into electricity. The net figure is going to be lower, probably closer to the 8-12% you quoted because of heat loss and resistance-related issues. Besides, i think PVCs can be chosen according to the climate in question. If its a solar array near Jaisalmer, we can easily choose the thick film PVCs over thin film ones, given that this area sees blazing sunlight most of the year. Currently i am working a co-op term for Ballard where i have learnt a lot about renewable sources of energy and for my next job, i am going to look for an opening in the PVC market. IMO, the biggest challenge facing solar power is that it is going to be costly nomatter what. Primarily because the biggest problem in the long term is scratching of the glass reflector and cleaning off the sand/dust accumulation on the panels in a desert setting. Those two factors are always going to remain a high cost issue. PS: I agree with you completely on bio-fuel. Those who think that bio-fuel is the answer to global warming and oil dependency are truely deluded or smoking some really good herbs. If its the latter case, i request them to send me some of that they are smoking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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