akshayxyz Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 What gives you that idea? Not a huge sample size, but the desi dietitians I have come across fit the bill perfectly- esp who suggest short-cut stuff like, drink honey/lemon, sugar-free, lauki juice, green tea, purple tomato, blue orange... And - I believe in working hard and not such short cuts - which can aide weight/fat loss a bit here and there, but dietitians portray them as if they are some magic way to fitness/weight-fat loss. P.S are you one of the exceptions - non-fat no-nonsense dietitian ;)
akshayxyz Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 Exaggerating a bit' date=' aren't we? It is about moderation. If you are constantly drinking bottles of the stuff uncooked, you are likely to get hit with acutely high concentrations of the metabolites, and that can be dangerous. Read the OP carefully.[/quote'] This + OP kind of suggests that since lauki is not bitter naturally, so if its juice is bitter than it should alarm that there is something abnormal. Instead of some pearl of wisdom ( bitter lauki would help cure diabetes) from some random ayurveda guru.
akshayxyz Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 The problems with these "natural" cures are several (a) Rarely do we know what the active ingredient is, why it is effective, and what possible side effects there are. It is usually faith-driven (if it is Ayurvedic/natural/organic, it must be good for you). How many times have I heard "It is ayurvedic; no side-effect." "Ghee is good for you ... no cholesterol ... it is given in ayurvedic preparations." (b) In addition to the active ingredient, the plant makes a multitude of proteins (e.g., trypsin inhibitors) & secondary metabolites to protect itself from herbivory etc. These "natural products" may have adverse effects; at times, we don't even know what unique secondary metabolites (=chemicals) are made by each plant species. © Adverse reactions are never attributed to these natural cures. For instance, when someone gets botulism from consuming honey (rare but documented), it is impossible to convince the faithful that the deadly pathogen came from honey. Good points. To add to that - I also believe in long term benefits of natural changes in diet and life style. Most of the people here understand this but it is still worth repeating - its naive to expect magic results from - short cuts to weight loss or magic cures.. green-tea, lauki juice, honey-lemon, this and that...
DomainK Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Not a huge sample size, but the desi dietitians I have come across fit the bill perfectly- esp who suggest short-cut stuff like, drink honey/lemon, sugar-free, lauki juice, green tea, purple tomato, blue orange... And - I believe in working hard and not such short cuts - which can aide weight/fat loss a bit here and there, but dietitians portray them as if they are some magic way to fitness/weight-fat loss. P.S are you one of the exceptions - non-fat no-nonsense dietitian ;) No, I am talking about the top ones with some reputation to their names. The ones that have a very high reputation and the ones that work for the top most celebrities. None of them gives short cut formulae. Of course working hard is good, but what makes you think that a good diet is a bad things? Eating healthy can't hurt, can it? That's an ignorant point of view. Generalization is a bad thing you know.
DomainK Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Good points. To add to that - I also believe in long term benefits of natural changes in diet and life style. Most of the people here understand this but it is still worth repeating - its naive to expect magic results from - short cuts to weight loss or magic cures.. green-tea, lauki juice, honey-lemon, this and that... You are assuming that you only know it and the rest are ignorant? If someone makes Lauki a part of the daily diet or if a dietician suggests it majorly, it does not necessarily mean it's a short cut formula. A good diet is a good diet. Everyone knows that there is no short cut. Just because I said Lauki juice is suggested by most dietitians, you jumped on your "you are ignorant and I am wise" bandwagon.
akshayxyz Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 No' date=' I am talking about the top ones with some reputation to their names. The ones that have a very high reputation and the ones that work for the top most celebrities. None of them gives short cut formulae. Of course working hard is good, but what makes you think that a good diet is a bad things? Eating healthy can't hurt, can it? That's an ignorant point of view. Generalization is a bad thing you know.[/quote'] Agreed my comment was a bit careless. My intention was to further clarify for someone who is reading the magic of lauki juice first time. As I said - I merely intended to further clarify that lauki juice by itself is no magic wand (for people who do not know). Those who already know or more - should not feel offended. Also - as far as I understand the process of weight/fat-loss - lauki juice by itself should not have any magical properties. It is just one low calorie meal that will make you fee full + some psychological factors. If one replaces it with spinach or cucumber or tinda juice of same calorie value - it should have same effect - in context of weight loss!! Most likely you know this too, but I am throwing it here for those who do not - Personally I would prefer a mini-meal of any-green-veggie + meat + some fat - over a jug full of lauki juice. Since I am also always learning and it is an area of my interest and many times over I have updated my knowledge-base/belief-system, when presented with appropriate scientific research. I would be glad to see some research which proves special benefits of lauki juice over other green-veggie alternatives of equivalent calorific value - in context of weight loss.
Brainfade Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1703763_1703764_1703942,00.html We've all heard about herbal supplements that have worked for someone we know. People swear by them: echinacea for a cold, ginkgo biloba for memory or the peppermint in the salve your aunt believes can ease chest congestion. Over the past decade, use of herbal supplements has jumped 83%, going from $12.2 billion in U.S. sales in 1996 to a whopping $22.3 billion last year. While many of those users may be skeptical, they figure, Hey, these things are natural; what harm could they do? As it turns out, in some cases they can do a lot of harm, and a surprising number of people are putting themselves at risk by using herbal supplements without being informed about their actual benefits and potential dangers. A new study conducted at the University of Iowa and published in the June issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings reveals just how widespread the problem has become. Researchers found that the most common mistake users of herbal remedies make is believing that the substances they take actually work. An earlier National Institutes of Health study showed that about 19% of Americans take herbal supplements and more than half the time they're using the substances to treat a specific health condition instead of just for general well-being. That's fine, provided the supplements treat those conditions, but in more than two-thirds of cases, the preparations have never been clinically proved to be effective for those uses. And as any scientist will tell you, clinical proof— a randomized, controlled trial— is the gold standard for establishing a drug's usefulness and safety. So a lot of dollars— not to mention medical faith— are being spent on potentially useless treatments. Aside from making you think you're doing something to alleviate your health problem (and not really treating the ailment at all), herbal supplements present other possible pitfalls. "If a supplement is not effective and not harmful, most physicians probably won't have a problem with it," says Aditya Bardia, an internist at the Mayo Clinic and lead author of the study. "It's when it's not effective and also harmful that it's going to be a cause of concern." Certain supplements can have adverse effects ranging from nausea and vomiting to life-threatening conditions like liver or kidney dysfunction. For example, in 2002 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) released a warning about potential liver damage from kava root, then one of the 10 most popular herbal supplements sold in the U.S. And in 2004 the FDA banned ephedra, a Chinese weight-loss herb, after it was linked to more than 100 deaths. Equally troubling, some Ayurvedic supplements, medications based on Indian and South Asian practices, may be adulterated and thus could be contaminated with dangerous heavy metals, including lead and mercury. Perhaps the greatest potential risk, however, lies in possible interaction with pharmaceutical drugs you are already taking. Saint-John's-wort, which has been shown to help in treating mild to moderate depression, is also known to reduce the effectiveness of some HIV medications and heart drugs such as digoxin and warfarin— life-and-death meds that it doesn't pay to fool with. To avoid such complications, ask your doctor before you decide to try an herbal supplement, and be sure to disclose any supplements you're taking even if you're not asked. That can be particularly important when you're being prescribed a new medication. The message here is not to avoid all herbal supplements. Increasingly, Western medicine is improving because of discoveries about these alternative treatments. However, it's important to remember that they are essentially drugs, and the best way to use them is to separate fact from fiction first.
yoda Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 I used to avoid Bitter Melon when I was a kid, have grown to like it these days. Stuffed Bitter Melon Curry (whole, stuffed with Onions/tomatoes, shallow fried) is one of my favorites. As for the juice, no thanks!
ganeshran Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 What about Acai berries? are they any good. At one point whole of Internet used to be flooded about stories of the miracles they can achieve
Holysmoke Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 What about Acai berries? are they any good. At one point whole of Internet used to be flooded about stories of the miracles they can achieve This is the only form I've had acai in. :cantstop:
akshayxyz Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 What about Acai berries? are they any good. At one point whole of Internet used to be flooded about stories of the miracles they can achieve Hmm, never heard of that before ( with that name). Not everything on internet/wiki is gospel, but common sense says no miracle powers - also as supported by following section on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A7a%C3%AD_palm#Juice_blend_studies
akshayxyz Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 Baba Ramdev is a prime culprit Debatable, but sort of agree to some extent. He should limit to teaching yoga and pranayam. Instead of venturing into giving dietary suggestions/medications and making tall claims of curing cancer/aids etc. Btw, is it legal for him to prescribe even Aryurveda medicine, or prescribing 'cures' to medical conditions? Given that he is not certified medical practitioner.
ganeshran Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Hmm, never heard of that before ( with that name). Not everything on internet/wiki is gospel, but common sense says no miracle powers - also as supported by following section on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A7a%C3%AD_palm#Juice_blend_studies Acai is very famous on the interent for some reason. At one time, it had an ad on every page you'd visit, and people started selling it as a miracle http://www.ehow.com/how_4690249_avoid-acai-berry-scam.html
akshayxyz Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 A healthy weight loss goal (other than initial water weight loss) is to lose 1% of your body weight each week. A 200-pound person should aim for 2 pounds per week. This is only accomplished by eating fewer calories each day than you burn. Any supplements that you take may aid in the process to some extent, but do not take the place of this. Even powerful prescription appetite suppressants do not work miracles. @Ganesh - Good first para from the link. This is the first thing anyone should learn about weight-loss. @DK - this is all I wanted to say - lauki juice or bhindi juice. When you said "All dietitians suggest it for weight loss" - by itself the statement has potential to be mis-interpreted as lauki juice has some magical properties to achieve weight loss.
CSK Fan Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Debatable, but sort of agree to some extent. He should limit to teaching yoga and pranayam. Instead of venturing into giving dietary suggestions/medications and making tall claims of curing cancer/aids etc. Btw, is it legal for him to prescribe even Aryurveda medicine, or prescribing 'cures' to medical conditions? Given that he is not certified medical practitioner. If you agree, how is it debatable? Surely this is one of those rare black and white things?
akshayxyz Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 If you agree' date=' how is it debatable? Surely this is one of those rare black and white things?[/quote'] Debatable in the sense that most certainly he has nothing to do with the OP. He can not be held responsible for everything Ayurveda/Yoga. He is part of that system, but not the root node of it. And he does teach good things - yog and pranayam.
CSK Fan Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Debatable in the sense that most certainly he has nothing to do with the OP. He can not be held responsible for everything Ayurveda/Yoga. He is part of that system, but not the root node of it. And he does teach good things - yog and pranayam. There have been many instances wehn he has advocated yoga for diabetics/AIDS/Cancer instead of medicine. In fact someone I know died because he listned to him instead of continuing treatemnt so I speak from experience
akshayxyz Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 There have been many instances wehn he has advocated yoga for diabetics/AIDS/Cancer instead of medicine. In fact someone I know died because he listned to him instead of continuing treatemnt so I speak from experience I already acknowledged that. Just that it is unfair to solely hold him responsible for every ayurved myth floating around. There is no dearth of such healers making miraculous claims. He has done some good work, and he should be banned (legally) from giving out medical advice/claims.
CSK Fan Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 I already acknowledged that. Just that it is unfair to solely hold him responsible for every ayurved myth floating around. There is no dearth of such healers making miraculous claims. He has done some good work, and he should be banned (legally) from giving out medical advice/claims. But in this case i am giving examples of when he specifically gave some advice to the preson which resulted in what i said. so how is he not aco****able?
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