Broad vs Morkel/English vs SA bowling attack

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4-0 to sa

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SA play Eng next year. If England are so cofident about their bowling and think they have the best bowling' date=' would they produce the same kind of wickets with thick grass covering and good bounce.[/quote'] Steyn will rape their batting line up. PS: Yes, I know about his record in England.

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I feel England have a better bowling attack than SA. 1) Better variety in the Seam bowling department. pace, swing, seam, spin vs SA's pace, swing, seam. 2) Seamers , Swingers, Hit the Deck Bowlers better than SA. Anderson,Broad, Tremlett,Bresnan,Finn VS SA Steyn,Morkel,Totsobe,Parnell 3) Better bench strength. Finn is the fastest to 50 wickets in Test and not playing these days.: Finn Bresnan vs SA's Parnell 4) Better height factor: Trem. Broad Anderson Finn. vs SA's Morkel. 5) Better reverse swing exponents. : English bowlers are better bowlers of Reverse Swing than SA. : Anderson, Bresnan, Broad. vs SA's Steyn 6) Spin do not even have to be compared.

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Bullshit, southafrica have 150 km bowlers who batsman fear ,english batsman were hit so many time by morkel,they have done well in all conditions and english attack was hammered by tamin iqbal,srilankanslwestindies no comparison

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Bullshit' date=' southafrica have 150 km bowlers who batsman fear ,english batsman were hit so many time by morkel,they have done well in all conditions and english attack was hammered by tamin iqbal,srilankanslwestindies no comparison[/quote'] Well broad can bowl around 92-93mph , bresnan/anderson 90mph, tremlet, dernback around 88mph. What else you need in the pace department. They might not be at 150+, but even Steyn Morkel do not always bowl at that speed. In Test matches, Steyn average is around 140KMPH

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Bowling one ball at 90 miles does nor make u quick ,Broad average is 82 miles 133 km and so is tremlett, morkel steyn avergae is 140 and morkel is 95 miles ,you should have watched english batsman facing them in sa. Unless they can ball well in adverse conditions topic is useless as good batting line ups like wi,bangladesh,srilanka have shown how average this attack is when conditions are good

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Bowling one ball at 90 miles does nor make u quick ' date='Broad average is 82 miles 133 km and so is tremlett, morkel steyn avergae is 140 and morkel is 95 miles ,you should have watched english batsman facing them in sa.[/quote'] yes i did. Well let the stats say everything http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=4926;type=series 3 out of top 5 wicket takers are English. With top being a spinner in seaming conditions. Do not think more has to be compared now. If SA has such variety, then the comparison should be made.

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So you watch the match live or highlights england were saved by bad light in 2 tests

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So you watch the match live or highlights england were saved by bad light in 2 tests

English attack has always struggled on good pitches ,tamim iqbal and bangladesh were batting better than them than indian, steyn wasl injured for a test and coming back from injury .

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So you watch the match live or highlights england were saved by bad light in 2 tests

Well i think we are comparing the bowling of the two teams, not the batting, they were in the position because of the batting not bowling. Another stat i would have to throw at you. Best bowling in that series. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/best_figures_innings.html?id=4926;type=series 3 out of 5 are again from England. Dude Australia dominated the world not by only bowling fast at 150+ kmph, but by skill, spin, swing and seam, Which the English possess these days. We may hate them for anything, but it has to be acknowledged, they are the top in the Bowling department as of now. they raped Australia in Australia, needs to be appreciated.

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English attack has always struggled on good pitches ' date='tamim iqbal and bangladesh were batting better than them than indian, steyn wasl injured for a test and coming back from injury .[/quote'] Well let's just say, SA bowling is no Exception, Sehwag Bullied them in India by scoring 300. It was steyn who took most of the wickets in India. If steyn was not in their team, SA bowling looks spineless. give me a backup of Steyn who can do 60% of the damage he does to the other teams. Steyn is the best fast bowler in the world to me. No Question about it. But when it comes to a BOWLING ATTACK( hunting in a pack). English is No. 1

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Stats do not say anything, australians bowlers were top wicket taker is ashes in england, southg africa gangraped australia in 3 test match series, test comes in india,pak,lanka,wi where england have been raped

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Well let's just say, SA bowling is no Exception, Sehwag Bullied them in India by scoring 300. It was steyn who took most of the wickets in India. If steyn was not in their team, SA bowling looks spineless. give me a backup of Steyn who can do 60% of the damage he does to the other teams. Steyn is the best fast bowler in the world to me. No Question about it. But when it comes to a BOWLING ATTACK( hunting in a pack). English is No. 1

First english bowlers have to bowl well when ball does not swing then anderson,broad are mediocore, then we can have a discussion ,let them beat wi in wi, draw in india ,pak,sl then we will talk

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Stats do not say anything' date=' australians bowlers were top wicket taker is ashes in england, southg africa gangraped australia in 3 test match series, test comes in india,pak,lanka,wi where england have been raped[/quote'] Well i kinda disagree, when the English have been in India, from the past series i've seen, panesar, Flintoff have done really well. It's my personal opinion, they are the best in the world at the moment. When i see another bowling attack who can threaten them, i would happily agree to it. I could have said Mohammad Amir, Asif, Gul, Afridi, Riaz, Ajmal, combined could have been the best in the world, excluding shoaib, but because Amir, Asif are bow banned, i would say English bowlers have taken over.

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Yes when english attack can atleast bowl well to tamim iqbal then I will even think about it!

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First english bowlers have to bowl well when ball does not swing then anderson' date='broad are mediocore, then we can have a discussion ,let them beat wi in wi, draw in india ,pak,sl then we will talk[/quote'] Swan in South Africa : Top Wicket Taker : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=4926;type=series 2009/10 series Swan in Bangladesh. Top Wicket Taker. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=5510;type=series 2009/2010. Swan in West Indies : Top Wicket Taker : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=4326;type=series 2008/09 Anderson in Australia : Top Wicket Taker.http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=5540;type=series Ashes 2010/11 they have done well in most of the places, stats do give a picture though

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Yes when english attack can atleast bowl well to tamim iqbal then I will even think about it!

Tamim Iqbal : Dude do not think he owned them, he got owned by zimbabwe, if tamim did so well , Bangladesh would have scored 600 runs + . Did they have any score like that. NO. Tamim's innings was mainly because of playing the best when you know you are going to lose. If itcomes off it looks good. If it does not , doesnt matter, we were anyways going to lose. Not for one moment they would have believed that they would have won a match.

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As I said first let them bowl well to tamim iqbal,beat wi in wi, win a test in india,lanka,beat sa, then we will discuss

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As I said first let them bowl well to tamim iqbal' date='beat wi in wi, win a test in india,lanka,beat sa, then we will discuss[/quote'] ya ya ya ya , winning does not happen only by bowling, whereas this thread discusses the better bowling attack. which i feel is England, Period.

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ya ya ya ya ' date=' winning does not happen only by bowling, whereas this thread discusses the better bowling attack. which i feel is England, Period.[/quote'] You win tests by you bowling lineup, tamin iqbal was hammering them and they were scared and recently lankans hammered them except for one session, unless england bowl well to tamin iqbal,when ball does not swing then we can think about it period