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[Guest dada_rocks]

You are again resorting to talking nonsense. I have given you the resolution dating back to 1948, months after Indian Independence. So where did you find Nehrujee sleeping with Russians? I have given you many resolutions either brought in by USA/UK or atleast supported by them. I have given you vetoes used by USSR that saved Indian arse on many occassions. Why can't you be pragmatic and accept that USA's record has been horrible with India without qualifying it? xxx

nehrujee was sleeping with russian before independence his sociallist BSing was rampant way before indepdence and it's well detailed fact. In fact this benfitted jinnah alot..And that's what u get for being in opposition camp if u think otherwise then may be u need a basic lesson in real-politic.. Noone is denying USSR watched India's back heck this is the least they cud have done for getitng support of a country like India in cold war.. Why don't u accpet it's nehru's incompetence which created this tamasha.. Why don't we see any resolution in case of hyderabad or Junagarh. USA a congential haters o anything India might have done that too wonder why it didn't happen. Once again question remains what relevance these things have today . Enlighten everyone u are going on and on and on about history without making any point avoiding the real question.

[Lurker]

Guys ' date=' give it a break. As I was mentioning earlier , these debates are useless . I don't see any poster here changing their stance once they make up their mind on a particular issue. So , what's the use of prolonging these discussions.:confused_smile:[/quote'] KR, I dont quite see such a debate leading to anything. What I would like people to do however is to not throw mud at their own country, or rewrite their own history, to prove their viewpoint which is what people like DR & BB are clearly doing. And if they do so they better be ready to get some history lessons then :wink_smile: xx

[Lurker]

nehrujee was sleeping with russian before independence his sociallist BSing was rampant way before indepdence and it's well detailed fact. In fact this benfitted jinnah alot..And that's what u get for being in opposition camp if u think otherwise then may be u need a basic lesson in real-politic..

BS. Nehru was educated in London, and London was largely influence by Socialism. No wonder Nehru also appreciated that. Europe even today has Socialistic overtures so it surprises me that you are ignorant enough to realize that 60 years back it would only have been so much more. Question for you now - Subhas Chandra Bose's success owed atleast in part to USSR, and his escape to Moscow is well know. Do you hate him for that too? Or are you selective in your hatred depending on how it suits YOUR interest?

Noone is denying USSR watched India's back heck this is the least they cud have done for getitng support of a country like India in cold war..

Go ahead and answer my questions in bulleted posts I have made. xxx

[King Tendulkar]

I am no fan of USA but at the same time I absolutely hate Islamic fascists. They can kill each other for all I care.

Spot on. The only thing I would add is that they do kill each other, more then they kill kaffirs!

[Guest dada_rocks]

Funny coming from you!! What was that whole about Kettle calling Pot etc etc. Yeah feel free to look in the mirror If you can not comprehend simple posts not my fault. This time I will put in bullet points, tell me what you make of them. Yes or no answers will suffice: 1) Do you agree that US/UK/West have opposed Indian stance on Kashmir? Did I ever deny, once sgain selctive reading question was why they did what they did 2) Do you agree that USA is the country that has supported Pakistan in all its war against India? Again did anyone deny......... 3) Do you agree that USA is the country that sent its Naval Brigade in Indian Ocean miles away from Bombay? Did anyone deny again, question again was why it did what it did 4) Do you agree that USSR was the country that saved us on all the above 3 occassions? Did anyone deny that.. wonder why are u posturing if none denies.... Straight Yes and NO will be appreciated. As it is you seem to have problems understanding.

Now answer my question what's the relevance of all this in matters of crushing taliban's body/soul .. I don;t have problem with understading nothign but I am still at loos the relevance of these tid-bits in this debate. Pray what does russia have to do with this debate if u are insinuating russia might get angry if we go against taliban or russia might get amgry if we align with usa in crushing taliban..My understanding says russia doesn;t begrduige defanging of islamic militants these days besaue they themsleves are victim.. so once again what point ar u making by boraching these tid-bits.... I hope u see why I call u hit and run red-herring throwers .. To top it u will come up with comparison on whose one side is nation state which behaves in certain way with a naiton in oppsitioncamp and on other side is a ruler who persecutes its own people.. No sane person without any agenda can draw uneven comparison like this. It's like holding my father to same kind of morality as I would do a hostile neighbour. It's rank stupid. That's what u do by juxtaposing usa and these barbarian rulers example. Anyway I am not interested in irrelevant history u don't have to take that rout if u don't want but please do the bare minimum in advaning this debate how does damsel-in-distress policy helps us..

[Gaurav]

Do you agree that US/UK/West have opposed Indian stance on Kashmir?

I agree During Kargil USA did help us indirectly. Also Israel directly helped us. Should I safely assume that you are for friendship and cooperation with Israel?

2) Do you agree that USA is the country that has supported Pakistan in all its war against India?

I agree. USA does what suit it's agenda. We got to do what suits our agenda. If US crushes Islamists then we have absolutely no reason to stop them.

3) Do you agree that USA is the country that sent its Naval Brigade in Indian Ocean miles away from Bombay?

I agree. World situation is very different now so we need to adapt. That said we have always got to be careful.

4) Do you agree that USSR was the country that saved us on all the above 3 occassions?

I agree. They had their own motives. Unconditional friendship was not one of them. Khush ho gaya kya abh? :tounge_smile:

[kumble_rocks]

Spot on. The only thing I would add is that they do kill each other' date= more then they kill kaffirs!

:haha::haha: And it's all a Zionist conspiracy.:wink_smile:

[Lurker]

^^ Man that is one jumbled up post up there. SOme response are within the quoted part, others are on the outside. Can you rearrange to make it a better read?

[Lurker]

During Kargil USA did help us indirectly. Also Israel directly helped us. Should I safely assume that you are for friendship and cooperation with Israel?

Lets hear this now. How did USA help us in Kargil. And how did Israel? Speaking of friendship with Israel do you agree that Israel is one of the party that is rumoured to be part of Indira Gandhi assassination? And that Israeli weapons and training was responsible for deaths of many Indian IPKF(Indian Peace Keeping Forces) in Sri Lanks? xxx

[Guest dada_rocks]

KR, I dont quite see such a debate leading to anything. What I would like people to do however is to not throw mud at their own country, or rewrite their own history, to prove their viewpoint which is what people like DR & BB are clearly doing. And if they do so they better be ready to get some history lessons then :wink_smile: xx

sitting in judgemental box..given how sympatheitc u get when matters of pakistan comes up I have my doubts about u too so don't go there.. Give it a rest any random RSS member has contributed moe to his country than any of u could.. About history: so pinko psecs sat and wrote their version suddenly that becomes cast in stone.. Once again question remains so USA voted against India while India was in opposition camp how that piece of information is relevant in debate of crushing taliban..

[Guest dada_rocks]

Lets hear this now. How did USA help us in Kargil. And how did Israel? Speaking of friendship with Israel do you agree that Israel is one of the party that is rumoured to be part of Indira Gandhi assassination? And that Israeli weapons and training was responsible for deaths of many Indian IPKF(Indian Peace Keeping Forces) in Sri Lanks? xxx

So u will clutch on those now..If I produce how israel helped will that be sififcient or u will throw some other red herring.. Just a question before I embark on that.....Or ur islam-love will come in ur way of national interest once again..

[Guest dada_rocks]

. USA does what suit it's agenda. We got to do what suits our agenda. If US crushes Islamists then we have absolutely no reason to stop them.

Self-interest part is lost on islam-lovers.. All that 50 year old tid-bits is being unearther in order to obfuscate matetr.. I have been king how that stance helps all i get in response is another round of red-herrings.. S

[Lurker]

sitting in judgemental box..given how sympatheitc u get when matters of pakistan comes up I have my doubts about u too so don't go there..

Facts dear DR facts. If you bother to rewrite history feel free to get the pinch.

Give it a rest any random RSS member has contributed moe to his country than any of u could..

Thanks for coming out. Go ahead and change your name to RSS now, the loony right wing brigand.

Once again question remains so USA voted against India while India was in opposition camp how that piece of information is relevant in debate of crushing taliban..

The only worthwhile question and I will address it now. A man should learn from his history. India's history of its 60 odd years tells me that atleast for first 40 years USA did everything against India's interest, including assissting Indian enemies and arm twisting to the extent where they sent their battleships to India. This was true as late as early 80's(definitely till Indira Gandhi was the PM). During late 80's and mid 90's when Kashmir blew up USA did nothing for India knowing fully well Pakistan had a key hand in it. Bombay blast happened, perpetrators ran to Pakistan. For a country that rules Pakistan behind the scenes I find it hard to beleive it did not know about blast or about the perpetrators. Pakistan jehadists poured into India, Indian diplomats kept shouting but USA turned deaf ears. Situations changed circa 911. Why? Because suddenly their arse is on the line. And what do they expect? "You are either with us or against us". Why should I give them support knowing they never were there to help us? And that they created the monsters we battled anyways - from Pakistan to Al-Qaeda xxx

[Guest dada_rocks]

BS. Nehru was educated in London, and London was largely influence by Socialism. No wonder Nehru also appreciated that. Europe even today has Socialistic overtures so it surprises me that you are ignorant enough to realize that 60 years back it would only have been so much more. Question for you now - Subhas Chandra Bose's success owed atleast in part to USSR, and his escape to Moscow is well know. Do you hate him for that too? Or are you selective in your hatred depending on how it suits YOUR interest? Go ahead and answer my questions in bulleted posts I have made. xxx

In fact rumour given u are hiding behind rumour so I too hshoudl have that benefit that SC BOSE was kept in jail in siberia due to Nehru.. Where did hating USSR came in picture once again another red-herring thrown true to your color.. i am still at loss what this USSR is doing in this debate in first place.> have asked many time u keep avoiding that question..

[Lurker]

So u will clutch on those now..If I produce how israel helped will that be sififcient or u will throw some other red herring.. Just a question before I embark on that.....Or ur islam-love will come in ur way of national interest once again..

What clutches are you on about? Okay since you volunteered(instead of GKD) about this whole issue let me see how much you know about it. Pray do tell which International leader had intimated Indira Gandhi that her life was in danger in less than a week from her assassination? Also do you deny Israel's role in Indian soldiers being killed in Sri Lanka?

[Guest dada_rocks]

:haha::haha: And it's all a Zionist conspiracy.:wink_smile:

yes a zionist conspiracy...... mofos have wiped out whole arbais but that's not enough they want little piece of land size of stamp paper in comparison too..

[The Outsider]

Why should I give them support knowing they never were there to help us? And that they created the monsters we battled anyways - from Pakistan to Al-Qaeda

If it was just limited to the past, that would be fine. They are doing it at present as well by supporting and funding two India's biggest adversaries. How anyone in their right minds can expect us to support the strengthening of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is beyond me. When Taliban is quelled to the extent US feels its homeland is safe they will exit leaving behind a ten times more potent force in Pakistan to screw our happiness and guess what we would have played a part in creation of that force.

[Guest dada_rocks]

What clutches are you on about? Okay since you volunteered(instead of GKD) about this whole issue let me see how much you know about it. Pray do tell which International leader had intimated Indira Gandhi that her life was in danger in less than a week from her assassination? Also do you deny Israel's role in Indian soldiers being killed in Sri Lanka?

Only thing I know is another idiot called rajeev gandhi sent his soldiers there .. If I start approriating guilt based on where from the arms came I would be crapping on USSr the biggest military hardware supplier of India too for arming taliban.. Arm's market people sell arms they don;t give it with advice to kill this or that person...... If israel had ill-will it won;t have pitched in with military hardware support in kargil war.. You may not like to hear but israel has been one of the supplier of millitary hardware since the time of indira gandhi yes it was kept lpw profile that's another matter. Again I will keep asking what's the relevance of all these red herrings in this debate

[Guest dada_rocks]

If it was just limited to the past' date=' that would be fine. They are doing it at present as well by supporting and funding two India's biggest adversaries. How anyone in their right minds can expect us to support the strengthening of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is beyond me. When Taliban is quelled to the extent US feels its homeland is safe they will exit leaving behind a ten times more potent force in Pakistan to screw our happiness and guess what we would have played a part in creation of that force.[/quote'] As I said what benefit comes out of this.. so they are supporting pak/saudi.. how are we going to benfit from not moving forward in the front where they do see eye to eye with us.... I am yet to hear anything credible in this regard. lurker mian, crushing taliban is not suporting them it's supporting us.. i know ur islam-love comes in the way but that's the fact..

[Guest dada_rocks]

Facts dear DR facts. If you bother to rewrite history feel free to get the pinch. Thanks for coming out. Go ahead and change your name to RSS now, the loony right wing brigand. The only worthwhile question and I will address it now. A man should learn from his history. India's history of its 60 odd years tells me that atleast for first 40 years USA did everything against India's interest, including assissting Indian enemies and arm twisting to the extent where they sent their battleships to India. This was true as late as early 80's(definitely till Indira Gandhi was the PM). During late 80's and mid 90's when Kashmir blew up USA did nothing for India knowing fully well Pakistan had a key hand in it. Bombay blast happened, perpetrators ran to Pakistan. For a country that rules Pakistan behind the scenes I find it hard to beleive it did not know about blast or about the perpetrators. Pakistan jehadists poured into India, Indian diplomats kept shouting but USA turned deaf ears. Situations changed circa 911. Why? Because suddenly their arse is on the line. And what do they expect? "You are either with us or against us". Why should I give them support knowing they never were there to help us? And that they created the monsters we battled anyways - from Pakistan to Al-Qaeda xxx

And if u harp on history wroiting throu islmist's prism then be reayd to get the hit.. Nothing u are going to say is ging to convince me that moos like aurnagjeb and tiopu sultan's hindu killing had some larger national interest behind it.. u can get it carved is stone but this BS in name of history will remain BS.. once again red-herring aside it;s not supporting them it;s supporting ourselves taliban crushing is as much in our naitonal interst as theirs.. period....