Veer Sanghavi does tells it like it is once in a while

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yes yes he is one of that psec columnist crowd but when it gets so obvious he does make an exception from his usual line of debate.. last tieme he had this kind of self-realization was on the eve of godhra train burning.. Mind you editorial everywhere were still beating the crap out of those inside the train piggybacking several rumour stories doing the round that too withtin 24 hours of the tragedy, but Sanghavi called those thugs of godhara what they were. Yes after all he can't leave his stand altogtehr all of a sudden so you will find it peppered with how they feel alienated kind of words but havenailed it over how etremism is different among these two community. The case I have bene making where you may find even someone like Praveen tagodia expressing accmodoative posture no such luck with any of the muslim stalwarts secualr or otherwise.. Again here when most of the psec columnist crowd are tight-lipped yes the same crowd which recently has had at least a fortnight long celebration over all the popular TV channels beating the crap out of Modi over that painting episode depicting sexual-conjoining of vishnu and some other god ( don't know how this kind of paiting advances any form of art,or what kind of intellectual debate is advanced, but anyway). Mind you there may have been support for the hooligans in that case but no legislator came on live TV boasting and taking credit for what was done or vowing to take it one notch further next time. OTOH here we have bonafide MLA not only partaking in that incident but later on claiming on LIVE TV he would like to behead the authornext time. So far police has not found any pertinent IPC code to book these luminaries whereas Taslima has already beeen booked for hurting the sentiment charge. anyway i won't bore u with my lecture here is the article of VER SANGHAVI enjoy.. http://hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=641b4f57-cca4-4a4a-bd0e-b7ad50df0bcd&MatchID1=4502&TeamID1=2&TeamID2=6&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1122&PrimaryID=4502&Headline=Dilemma+of+an+Indian+Muslim Some soundbite from the article Shabana Azmi, who was interviewed about the violence, made the usual sensible and reasonable points condemning the attack. And she also said that Hindu and Muslim fundamentalism were two sides of the same coin. But are they? Are the problems faced by liberal Muslims who want to speak out against the fascists and lunatics in their community the same as those faced by Hindus who speak out against extremists in our community? I don’t think they are. As secular liberals who regularly condemn the worst excesses of the sangh parivar, we face no real danger. Oh yes, if you are a journo covering a riot or watching the Babri Masjid being demolished, there’s always the risk that some Bajrang Dal thug will beat you up. But apart from that, incidents of violence conducted in the name of Hinduism have been roundly condemned by Hindu commentators and nobody has done us much damage. If I say that the people who ransacked Husain’s exhibition are thugs and an embarrassment to Hinduism, nothing much will happen to me. But a decade and a half ago when Mushirul Hasan made the perfectly reasonable statement that as offensive as he found The Satanic Verses to be, he did not believe in banning books, he was roughed up by university students who had political backing. When Taslima Nasreen dares write about the position of women in Islamic societies, she is assaulted by political goons in full public view. It is up to all of us to ensure that these young Muslims nourish the dream of a new, resurgent India. If we fail them and either make them feel like outsiders or allow them to fall into the hands of the cynical fundamentalists who have hijacked the political leadership of the Muslim community, then the consequences for our country could be disastrous. To do that, we need to do two things. One: we must end the secular double standard and speak out against Muslim communalism. It is shameful that the UPA, which holds forth on Hindu fascism, aligns with the loathsome thugs who attacked Taslima. And two: we must both empathise with and empower educated liberal Muslims. They do not have it easy. They face alienation on all fronts. And the goondas in their own community make them feel scared and vulnerable. But unless Muslims speak up — as liberal Hindus have — Indian secularism will fail the new generation in the new century.

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Even self-apologetic columnists like Vir Sanghavi are ashamed of this incident. Our government and communists are permanently blind. I am just wondering ROPers as usual had declared fatwa over Taslima's head long back....how come she was scheduled to attend a book release function at Hyderabad and interior ministry or local police has no info?? Or was it deliberate to allow radicals attack her so that these p-sec retards can gain their Muslim vote bank?...pathetic is our vote bank politics.

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Just read this news, the guy is openly giving statements to behead Taslima.... Are Muslim dominated areas in India are getting Talibanized??...at least reading below statement makes difference between Indian Muslims and Talibanis blurred. MLA vows to beahead Taslima Nasreen http://www.ibnlive.com/news/mla-vows-to-behead-taslima-nasreen/46658-3.html “We in Hyderabad want to behead this woman according to the fatwa,†said Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen MLA Akbaruddin Owaisi. "I will kill Taslima Nasreen, Salman Rushdie, the Danish Cartoonist and anyone who tried to play with the modesty, honour and integrity of the Prophet. And, I am ready to go to gallows even for this," said Farath Ullah Khan of the MBT. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So these retards in away have admitted that they are Muslims first and Indian later and they will carry out Fatwaa or whatever moronic Islamic radical ideologies. And this is coming from an MLA.:wall: How come our p-sec government has become so deaf.....at least they should issue an official condemnation. If these retards can't act against radicalization of Indian Muslims....it's high time Nationalist Indians should come on street and teach these morons a sound lesson. Let's show these radicals that India is still country that cannot be hijacked by fatwa wielding Mullahs, whatever p-sec-commies we might elect as government.

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actually they had some dukhtaran-e-millat organization chief some lady covered from head to toe in burkha.. when sagarika asked her that criticism is fine but physical assault doesn't sound undemocratic to her.. that lady's terse reply was,"I don't care about democracy only thing I care about is shariah....."

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Why MIM will go scotfree

Those familiar with Hyderabad will tell you that there are two faces of the Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM), the Owaisi family-led organisation that exercises a stranglehold over the city's Muslim community. There is the acceptable face comprising a network of educational institutions and healthcare centres. The flip side is not so much in evidence on the main roads but surfaces in the by-lanes of the old city. Here, a lingering nostalgia for the good old days of the Nizam - including the hero worship of the Razakar supremo Kasim Rizvi who left for Pakistan in 1948 - blends with an exclusivist and aggressive Islamism, loosely of the kind practised by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Sixty years ago, the Razakars fought a brutal and rearguard battle against Hyderabad being usurped by democracy. Sardar Vallabbhai Patel, who was not inclined to be indulgent towards trouble-makers just because they spoke poetic Urdu, sent the Army into Hyderabad State in 1948 and instructed the miserly Nizam to be content with a handsome privy purse. Hyderabad was integrated into the Indian Union and soon assumed the new Telugu identity of Andhra Pradesh. The remnants of the Razakar movement - those who didn't join the exodus to Pakistan - lay low till the 1960s and then slowly regrouped. The revanchists found an inspiring leader in Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi. He transformed the MIM from a fringe group to the status of a dominant one among the Muslims of Hyderabad. The MIM has held the Hyderabad Lok Sabha seat since 1971 and controls five of its Assembly segments. It has ruthlessly crushed any challenge from other Muslim organisations and converted the old city into a veritable no-go area for other political parties and even law enforcement agencies. The Hyderabad police, by and large, is unable to enter MIM strongholds - a reason why many undesirables use the area as havens. It is the existence of this bizarre Islamic state in the heart of the Andhra Pradesh capital that explains the defiant reaction of MIM legislators to the assault on Bangladeshi dissident Tasleema Nasreen last Thursday. The brazenness with which Akbaruddin Owaisi, the leader of MIM in the Assembly, declared that "it is legitimate to kill Tasleema Nasreen under Islamic law, but unfortunately we couldn't do it" reveals two things. First, to the MIM and the Owaisis, their version of Islamic law takes precedence over Indian laws. Second, the competitive extremism witnessed in Hyderabad is an indication that the State is confronted by the unique problem of the emotional secession of an entire ghetto from India. These conclusions are not over-reactions. All over India, indulgent political parties fearful of offending minority sentiments have permitted Islamist ghettos where the writ of the State does not run. Initially, this belief was couched in tacit acceptance of the "one country, many systems" principle. However, of late, this has degenerated into accommodation of radical Islamism, including terrorism. It is, for example, one thing to shed tears for a Bollywood star whose family is linked to the Congress. However, the secularist demand for the exoneration of Sanjay Dutt (and one of the Memon brothers) is also coupled with the claim that the March 1993 serial blasts in Mumbai were, somehow, a legitimate reaction to the January 1993 riots. Read with the courting of the Al-Ummah chief after he was (predictably) acquitted in the Coimbatore blasts case and the continuing Government inaction over the death sentence for convicted terrorist Afzal Guru, the alarming indication is that votebank politics is moving in a dangerous direction and now includes mollycoddling terrorists. I don't believe any real action will be taken against the MIM activists who assaulted Tasleema. On the contrary, the furore over her alleged blasphemy is almost certain to result in either the cancellation or non-renewal of her tourist visa. The Razakars are on the verge of a famous victory which, ironically, will enhance their reputation as the real protectors of the faith.

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Majlis bares its sinister face

Bangladeshi author Taslima Nasreen is no stranger to controversy, nor was last Thursday's shameful incident her first encounter with Muslim fanatics baying for her blood. Ever since she riled the mullahs of Bangladesh with her newspaper columns, in which she wrote about the oppression of Muslim women in the name of Islam, and the publication of Lajja, a novel in which she exposed the brutalities heaped on Hindus of that country by Muslims 'enraged' over the demolition of the disputed Babri Masjid- Ram Janmabhoomi structure in Ayodhya on December 6, 1992, she has had to face harassment and worse. Lajja was promptly banned by the Government of Bangladesh and she was charged with blasphemy in 1994 as huge rallies were organised by Islamic fundamentalist organisations, demanding that she be hanged. Taslima went into hiding and later fled the country, ironically dressed in a burqa, the most potent symbol of Muslim women's oppression. Since then, she has been in exile; of late, she has been living in Kolkata, which she considers her 'second home'. THIS part is realling intriguing Taslima was not the first writer to fall foul of fanatics in Bangladesh. In 1973, Daud Haider, a young poet, was set upon by mullahs and their thugs for a poem in which he had raged at god for allowing the massacre of three million Bangladeshis during the liberation struggle. He was beaten black and blue, his ancestral house was set on fire and a relative lynched. The Government of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, hailed for guiding Bangladesh to the path of secularism, imprisoned Daud for 'his own protection'. After he was freed, Daud fled to Kolkata. In 1979, his Bangladeshi passport was impounded and Dhaka began to demand his deportation. The Congress Government of the day was on the verge of putting Daud on a flight to Dhaka when he was rescued by German writer Gunter Grass. Daud now lives in Berlin, constantly pining for his beloved Bangladesh. That's some consolation for Taslima. But, for all the harassment and harangue she has faced at home and abroad, last Thursday's attack on Taslima is particularly disgraceful for two reasons that should cause concern and alarm. First, among the hooligans who stormed into the Press Club where the Telugu edition of her novel, Shodh, was scheduled to be released, and almost succeeded in laying their hands on her, were three Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen MLAs - Ahmad Pasha Quadri, Afsar Khan and Moazzam Khan. Instead of castigating them for their appalling behaviour, the MIM has commended their murderous act as a deed of valour in defence of the 'faith'. On Friday, Akbaruddin Owaisi, MIM's floor coordinator in the Andhra Pradesh Assembly, brazenly said, "It is legitimate to kill Taslima Nasreen under Islamic law, but unfortunately we could not do it". Salahuddin Owaisi, the president of MIM and a former member of the Lok Sabha (he has bequeathed the Hyderabad constituency to his son, Asaduddin Owaisi), praised the potential killers and amazingly claimed, "We have used our democratic right to protest against those who are misusing the freedom of expression to insult and hurt Muslim sentiments." We must now learn the meaning of democracy and democratic rights from fanatics who preach hatred, practice intolerance and praise murder. It really amazes me how we legitimize parties like this along with musim league We shouldn't, however, expect anything better from the Owaisi clan. After all, Salahuddin Owaisi and his brood are the inheritors of Qasim Rizvi's toxic ideology that inspired razakars to commit horrendous crimes against Hindus in the run-up to Hyderabad's liberation in 1948, and put up armed resistance to the integration of the Nizam's state with India. The MIM, founded in 1927, was banned, Rizvi was packed off to prison and freed in 1957 after he petitioned the Government that he be allowed to go to Pakistan. Thankfully, his wish was not denied to him; tragically, his ilk were allowed to stay back. The same year, Abdul Wahid Owaisi, through a sleight of hand, 'rewrote' the party's constitution, added the prefix 'All-India' to MIM, and thus did the Majlis enter electoral politics. But genetic strains do not die because of cosmetic surgery. As much was proved on Friday when the MIM's legislators - booked by an effete Hyderabad Police for 'trespassing'! - declared that they are "Muslims first and MLAs (who have sworn to uphold the Constitution of India) later". The assertion does rhyme with the Prime Minister's 'Muslims first' policy. It also explains why the administration has displayed, though not for the first time while dealing with such outrageous thuggery, that its knees are made of jelly. And, let's not forget that the champions of 'free speech', who take to the streets every time eyebrows are raised at attempts to denigrate Hinduism, have maintained a stunning silence over the barbaric attack on Taslima. Women who lash out at sharia'h, it would seem, are undeserving of the sisterhood's support. The second point of concern - and it should truly worry all of us who cherish freedom - is the inexorable march of Islamic fanatics in India. From the dusty fields of Meerut to the shining metropolis of Mumbai and what was once vainly described as 'Cyberabad', the pitch of the rallying cry of radical Islam is rising by the day. Last year we saw and heard Haji Yaqub Qureshi, a Minister in Mulayam Singh Yadav's 'secular' Government, offering Rs 51 crore to anybody willing to kill the cartoonists who had allegedly defamed Prophet Mohammed in the Danish newspaper, Jyllands Posten. Before that, Imrana, raped by her father-in-law, was ordered by mullahs to marry the rapist and treat her husband as her son. Another hapless Muslim woman, Gudiya, was forcibly sent back to her long-missing husband; she died a tragic death. There are innumerable Muslim women like Imrana and Gudiya we don't get to hear about. Just as there are many like Samina and Zarina, residents of Nagpada in central Mumbai, who have been prohibited by their community lumpens from attending college as "higher education for girls is against Islam". In Tamil Nadu, Muslim vigilantes are enforcing their own version of sharia'h while in Jammu & Kashmir, Dukhtaran-e-Millat is laying down social code "in conformity with Islam". The day is not far off when the Government of the Sovereign Socialist Secular Democratic Republic of India will legitimise sharia'h - Islamic banking is already a virtual reality. Before that happens, Taslima would be well-advised to seek refuge in some corner of Europe which is yet to become a part of Eurabia. If she doesn't, she will be stoned to death and that act of fealty to Islam will be termed a "democratic right to protest".

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STONE THIS MOFO Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen MLA Akbaruddin Owaisi as per his beloved SHARIA !

[Guest dada_rocks]

Bigger question is why legitimize organizations like Muslim league and MIM in first place.. I was really surprised to find these are the razkar movement parties of nizaam days..