Dhoni vs Bevan

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Can you with god of cricket brain,show us the logic of 100 more runs under Dhoni's kaptaani :nervous: another of your gems,oh wait Dhoni is a greatest finisher but the hard work is done by Yuvi,Raina but Dhoni just gets a not out in end and takes away the credit

Shewag kept a ring field like a odi which lead to atleast some pressure till ponting and clarke got away ,Dhoni usually spreads the field with deep cover and deep midwicket pretty quickly and allows easy singles ,you surely would have noticed. Dhoni has himself said it he wants to take the game to last over ,I did not say dhoni does not deserve credit,But mostly yuvi and raina or pathan hit out and dhoni does the job of seeing the match through as he knows he is good at it.

[Sid]

Shewag kept a ring field like a odi which lead to atleast some pressure till ponting and clarke got away ,Dhoni usually spreads the field with deep cover and deep midwicket pretty quickly and allows easy singles ,you surely would have noticed. Dhoni has himself said it he wants to take the game to last over ,I did not say dhoni does not deserve credit.

Sehwag was equally bad if not worse in kaptaani,so you can remain in your dream world about his attacking kapotaani.And am not saying Dhoni is a great test kaptaan,all I want to say is that any man can be a kaptaan of this side and this side will do **** with this bowling attack.But youre a bowlers supporter,so all fault will always be of the kaptaan

[Sid]

Dhoni has himself said it he wants to take the game to last over ,I did not say dhoni does not deserve credit,But mostly yuvi and raina or pathan hit out and dhoni does the job of seeing the match through as he knows he is good at it.

Ab ek match ke baad Pathan bhi aagaya I can list many matches which he has finished without big hitting services of Raina and Yuvi.

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Sehwag was equally bad if not worse in kaptaani' date='so you can remain in your dream world about his attacking kapotaani.And am not saying Dhoni is a great test kaptaan,all I want to say is that any man can be a kaptaan of this side and this side will do **** with this bowling attack.But youre a bowlers supporter,so all fault will always be of the kaptaan [/quote'] If you read the thread i also said shewag captained badly ,he did even have a slip in the latter stages ,But dhoni had been worse at perth and sydney he even had a longon at perth.Regarding dhoni you should also have read the thread where i praised him for his 8-1 offside field he attempted in nagpur ,We want that style of captain not one who pushes longon and deep cover if a boundary is hit in tests.

[Sid]

If you read the thread i also said shewag captained badly ' date='he did even have a slip in the latter stages .Regarding dhoni you should also have read the thread where i praised him for his 8-1 offside field he attempted in nagpur ,We want that style of captain not one who pushes longon and deep cover if a boundary is it.[/quote'] Kya ukaad lete god ,8-1 field ke saath,when one hardworker was bowling all over the place ,one was a rookie and other was coming back after an injury.Most modern day captain is like this whose 1st tendency is to defend ,but the problem with Dhoni is he is way too defensive most of the times in test.But bowlers supporter with bowling such as we have,kaptaan cant solely be blamed.

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Kya ukaad lete god ' date='8-1 field ke saath,when one hardworker was bowling all over the place ,one was a rookie and other was coming back after an injury.Most modern day captain is like this whose 1st tendency is to defend ,but the problem with Dhoni is he is way too defensive most of the times in test.But bowlers supporter with bowling such as we have,kaptaan cant solely be blamed.[/quote'] Its not about 8-1 field ,Its about trying something diff and not sittting back and waiting for things to happen ,He had 2 150km/h bowlers and at sydney or perth never did we try to bowl bouncers with 2 fielders back for some length of time or come round the wicket and target the rib cage .We had australia 200-7 at mcg in both innings and we let them score so much ,same at trentbridge we spread the field too quickly.

[Raghav_12]

There doesn't seem to much difference between Dhoni and Bevan. Both very good ODI players without being good enough even to play test cricket.

[Sid]

Its not about 8-1 field ' date='Its about trying soemthing diff and not sittting back and waiting for things to happen ,He had 2 150km/h bowlers and at sydney or perth never did we try to bowl bouncers with 2 fielders back for some length of time .We had [b']australia 200-7 at mcg in both innings and we let them score so much ,same at trentbridge we spreadthe field too quickly.

Thats where he ia at fault,I havent denied it anywhere. Regarding the short ball thing,what the **** is coaching departnment's job,arent they supposed to assist if kaptaan is sitting back and relaxed? Anyways,looks like your cricketing god mind dont want to agree about your Dhoni love,but I 'll get back at you when Dhoni comes up the order and finshes a match without Raina or Pathan On topic again,Dhoni>Bevan

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Thats where he ia at fault,I havent denied it anywhere. Regarding the short ball thing,what the **** is coaching departnment's job,arent they supposed to assist if kaptaan is sitting back and relaxed? Anyways,looks like your cricketing god mind dont want to agree about your Dhoni love,but I 'll get back at you when Dhoni comes up the order and finshes a match without Raina or Pathan On topic again,Dhoni>Bevan

Nah i love dhoni but recently he has :broken_heart: ,If he goes being the old dhoni i :cheer::cheer:

[Sid]

Nah i love dhoni but recently he has :broken_heart: ' date='If he goes being the old dhoni i :cheer::cheer:[/quote'] Ok god saheb :two_thumbs_up:

[Precambrian]

Dhoni vs Bevan ODIs without saying I say Dhoni Better hitter Better accumulator Captains and keeps wickets as well... and better finisher as well... going by their records in chases In successful run chases Dhoni 63 matches 1997 runs 105.10 average 90.32 strike rate 2 centuries 14 fifties, 29 instances of 30+ scores Bevan 75 matches 1725 runs 86.25 average 66.42 strike rate 3 centuries 13 fifties, 25 instances of 30+ scores

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ODIs without saying I say Dhoni Better hitter Better accumulator Captains and keeps wickets as well... and better finisher as well... going by their records in chases In successful run chases Dhoni 63 matches 1997 runs 105.10 average 90.32 strike rate 2 centuries 14 fifties, 29 instances of 30+ scores Bevan 75 matches 1725 runs 86.25 average 66.42 strike rate 3 centuries 13 fifties, 25 instances of 30+ scores

Dhoni is a better odi batsman than bevan nodoubt ,But as a crisis man bevan is better than dhoni .Dhoni has mostly failed when we are in no hope situations like 50-4 or something ,bevan has won few such matches for australia.Its as a finisher when they come close bevan played agianst much better zimbabwe and wi team and on picthes not as flat as dhoni so the average is much closer than it seems.

[Ultimate_Game]

Dhoni all the way. As I mentioned in another thread Dhoni is Bevan 2.0 with his ability to accumulate as well as hit out if needed. The guy is an amazing finisher who finishes off the chase once set. But nothing like it if I could have both of them in my team.

[Precambrian]

Dhoni is a better odi batsman than bevan nodoubt ' date='But as a crisis man bevan is better than dhoni .Dhoni has mostly failed when we are in no hope situations like 50-4 or something ,bevan has won few such matches for australia.Its as a finisher when they come close bevan played agianst much better zimbabwe and wi team and on picthes not as flat as dhoni so the average is much closer than it seems.[/quote'] Can't agree : Will list a few occassions : Vs Pakistan in 2006 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/236809.html India were chasing a big total of 289 and bouyed by Tendulkar had reached 189-3 in the 34th over. But Tendulkar and Kaif got out in successive overs and India were reduced to 190-5 by the 36th over, with about a 100 runs to get with Dhoni coming at no.7. Dhoni proceeded to smash Pakistani bowlers and ended up with a matchwinning 76 off 42 odd balls and India cantered home. Vs Sri Lanka at Margao : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/267715.html Chasing a tricky total of 230, India were reduced to 90-4 by the 22nd over - with all biggies Saurav, Sachin, Swhag and Yuvraj back in the hut. Dhoni came in at 4 down and combined with Dravid to produce a matchwinning partnership of 134. Dhoni was unbeaten on 67 vs Sri Lanka at Adelaide, 2008 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/291366.html Chasing 240 under the lights, india were in deep trouble at 35-3 in the 12th over. Dhoni came in at 4 down in the 24th over with scorecard reading 99-4. Soon thereafter Yuvraj also departed, and Dhoni combined with the tailenders to finish off things in the last over with 4 balls to spare. Vs Australia in 2009 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/416237.html Batting first, India were reduced to 97-3 on a good track by the 16th over. Dhoni then unleashed a monstrous knock of 124 and helped India reach at 354. Vs Australia : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/416238.html Chasing 230, India were reduced to 53-3 by the 16th over. Dhoni came in, combined with Yuvi and won the match easily. Dhoni - 71 not out. Vs Bangladesh : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/434260.html Chasing 297, India were 51-3 by the 8th over. Dhoni combined with Kohli and got us across. Dhoni remained unbeaten on 101 Vs Sri Lanka (World Cup Final) - Pressure cooker situation - India struggling at 114-3 in 22nd over chasing 271 - Dhoni delivered the ultimate ODI captain's knock, Vs England in the most recent whitewash : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521218.html India were batting first - reduced to 123-4 by 29th over. Dhoni then combined with the lower and tail enders and propelled India to 300. 87 from just 70 balls. Vs England : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521222.html India batted first, lost wickets regularly - 123-4 by 28th over, 215-7 by 46th over. Dhoni all the while stood firm, and in the last 4 overs unleashed a scathing counter attack, which helped us register 271 after 50 overs. 75 from 69 balls.

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Can't agree : Will list a few occassions : Vs Pakistan in 2006 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/236809.html India were chasing a big total of 289 and bouyed by Tendulkar had reached 189-3 in the 34th over. But Tendulkar and Kaif got out in successive overs and India were reduced to 190-5 by the 36th over, with about a 100 runs to get with Dhoni coming at no.7. Dhoni proceeded to smash Pakistani bowlers and ended up with a matchwinning 76 off 42 odd balls and India cantered home. Vs Sri Lanka at Margao : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/267715.html Chasing a tricky total of 230, India were reduced to 90-4 by the 22nd over - with all biggies Saurav, Sachin, Swhag and Yuvraj back in the hut. Dhoni came in at 4 down and combined with Dravid to produce a matchwinning partnership of 134. Dhoni was unbeaten on 67 vs Sri Lanka at Adelaide, 2008 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/291366.html Chasing 240 under the lights, india were in deep trouble at 35-3 in the 12th over. Dhoni came in at 4 down in the 24th over with scorecard reading 99-4. Soon thereafter Yuvraj also departed, and Dhoni combined with the tailenders to finish off things in the last over with 4 balls to spare. Vs Australia in 2009 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/416237.html Batting first, India were reduced to 97-3 on a good track by the 16th over. Dhoni then unleashed a monstrous knock of 124 and helped India reach at 354. Vs Australia : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/416238.html Chasing 230, India were reduced to 53-3 by the 16th over. Dhoni came in, combined with Yuvi and won the match easily. Dhoni - 71 not out. Vs Bangladesh : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/434260.html Chasing 297, India were 51-3 by the 8th over. Dhoni combined with Kohli and got us across. Dhoni remained unbeaten on 101 Vs Sri Lanka (World Cup Final) - Pressure cooker situation - India struggling at 114-3 in 22nd over chasing 271 - Dhoni delivered the ultimate ODI captain's knock, Vs England in the most recent whitewash : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521218.html India were batting first - reduced to 123-4 by 29th over. Dhoni then combined with the lower and tail enders and propelled India to 300. 87 from just 70 balls. Vs England : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521222.html India batted first, lost wickets regularly - 123-4 by 28th over, 215-7 by 46th over. Dhoni all the while stood firm, and in the last 4 overs unleashed a scathing counter attack, which helped us register 271 after 50 overs. 75 from 69 balls.

As iSaid There are one or two situations when dhoni has been able to won us a game from no hope situations like 50-4 while chasing excpet bangladesh.But bevan has won australia games from no hope situations like in wc 2003.

[Crookbond]

8-0 Dhoni This is like a KO :beach:

[Crookbond]

:fail: post mc Poll asks who is the better ODI batsman

:WTF: And 8-0 Dhoni, shows that Dhoni is KO'ed Bevan and is a better batsman by a mile. :yoyo:

[Old guy]

:WTF: And 8-0 Dhoni, shows that Dhoni is KO'ed Bevan and is a better batsman by a mile. :yoyo:

[vamos_rafa]

Can't agree : Will list a few occassions : Vs Pakistan in 2006 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/236809.html India were chasing a big total of 289 and bouyed by Tendulkar had reached 189-3 in the 34th over. But Tendulkar and Kaif got out in successive overs and India were reduced to 190-5 by the 36th over, with about a 100 runs to get with Dhoni coming at no.7. Dhoni proceeded to smash Pakistani bowlers and ended up with a matchwinning 76 off 42 odd balls and India cantered home. Vs Sri Lanka at Margao : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/267715.html Chasing a tricky total of 230, India were reduced to 90-4 by the 22nd over - with all biggies Saurav, Sachin, Swhag and Yuvraj back in the hut. Dhoni came in at 4 down and combined with Dravid to produce a matchwinning partnership of 134. Dhoni was unbeaten on 67 vs Sri Lanka at Adelaide, 2008 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/291366.html Chasing 240 under the lights, india were in deep trouble at 35-3 in the 12th over. Dhoni came in at 4 down in the 24th over with scorecard reading 99-4. Soon thereafter Yuvraj also departed, and Dhoni combined with the tailenders to finish off things in the last over with 4 balls to spare. Vs Australia in 2009 : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/416237.html Batting first, India were reduced to 97-3 on a good track by the 16th over. Dhoni then unleashed a monstrous knock of 124 and helped India reach at 354. Vs Australia : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/416238.html Chasing 230, India were reduced to 53-3 by the 16th over. Dhoni came in, combined with Yuvi and won the match easily. Dhoni - 71 not out. Vs Bangladesh : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/434260.html Chasing 297, India were 51-3 by the 8th over. Dhoni combined with Kohli and got us across. Dhoni remained unbeaten on 101 Vs Sri Lanka (World Cup Final) - Pressure cooker situation - India struggling at 114-3 in 22nd over chasing 271 - Dhoni delivered the ultimate ODI captain's knock, Vs England in the most recent whitewash : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521218.html India were batting first - reduced to 123-4 by 29th over. Dhoni then combined with the lower and tail enders and propelled India to 300. 87 from just 70 balls. Vs England : http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521222.html India batted first, lost wickets regularly - 123-4 by 28th over, 215-7 by 46th over. Dhoni all the while stood firm, and in the last 4 overs unleashed a scathing counter attack, which helped us register 271 after 50 overs. 75 from 69 balls.

Wow! I had forgotten so many of these matches. Dhoni has been quietly phenomenol in the ODIs for so many years now. On the OP, I would still say that it's even stevens. During Bevan's time, bowlers relied heavily on yorkers and there were many great fast bowlers going around then. Now, bowlers have so many varieties, heck they even bowl a slow bouncer. You have more of death over specialists now which was not entirely the case in the 90's. Yet, if I had to choose 1, it's got to be MS ofcourse :--D

[saneindian]

As iSaid There are one or two situations when dhoni has been able to won us a game from no hope situations like 50-4 while chasing excpet bangladesh.But bevan has won australia games from no hope situations like in wc 2003.

How many matches did bevan win for Aus when they needed 8-9 runs an over in last 10 overs?