suma25 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 sex education if taught properly in schools will be really good although it should be taught form 7th -8th std. idont understand the argument how it spoils indian culture and its an western cultureand why thereis so much hullaballo abt naked female and male body pics . how the hell are they gonna understand then without any pictorial reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgusa Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 sex education if taught properly in schools will be really good although it should be taught form 7th -8th std. idont understand the argument how it spoils indian culture and its an western cultureand why thereis so much hullaballo abt naked female and male body pics . how the hell are they gonna understand then without any pictorial reference. Prob have a mug session with a few playboys like before exam time ? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varun Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Prob have a mug session with a few playboys like before exam time ? :D :hysterical::hysterical: I think CBSE would prefer kamasutra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suma25 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Prob have a mug session with a few playboys like before exam time ? :D :cantstop: i meant drawings of the female body,male body n stufflike that but if the school are ok with pics of jennajameson and lot then fine with me:dance: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgusa Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 :cantstop: i meant drawings of the female body' date='male body n stufflike that but if the school are ok with pics of jennajameson and lot then fine with me:dance:[/quote'] Jenna is a fine specimen of the female body :) EDIT: Just noticed that this is post # 69 for me :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 we don't need Wetsren Channels like BBC to lecture us around.Why not ? Don't be a culturally closeminded guy, who rejects something foreign simply because it is foreign. ironically enough, that flies in the very face of the nature of India and its historic testament. In short, we DO need western channels or eastern channels or hell, even ALIEN channels as long as their suggestions/observations are true and holds merit. Your defensive mindset is fundamentally flawed since it relies on paranoia and an equally bloated superiorist attitude of your own culture ( you hide it under pride, etc). IF history teaches us anything about our culture, it is a remarkable history of openmindedness and even our historic/religious texts reflect the openmindedness in adopting foreign cultures when it proved to have better clarity of thought. Pehley...sebko basic facility toh provide ker loWhat has that gotto do with sex ed ? We Indians have very strong Family system of society..Have you ever travelled more than 20 km outside of your home in India ? We India is not to be generalized in this manner. Yes, there is a strong focus on familial life in our cultural values but it is pretty ridiculous to think that those values are followed in overwhelming majority of households/lives. And what is, is not strong cultural value is rather subject to opinion. As i said, sexual close-mindedness is rather ironic from Indians, especially the 'we are blah blah highorse culture' toting snooty ones, given that it was our ancestors who wrote the Kama Sutra ( and FYI, i own a completely unabriged copy of it- there is even a chapter on how to seduce someone else in it, including extra-marital sexuality) and it was our ancestors who built Khajuraho. yes, if you can follow the vivah-grihasti life and are happy with it, good. If not, there is simply nothing wrong in having relationships before marriage, remaining unmarried & dating around, being gay, being bi, etc etc. There is nothing wrong with swingers either IMO ( afterall, there is a lot of swinger-activity in the Tantras) if it is what floats your boat. You really do not understand the dynamics of sexuality in the western society ( your frame of reference is only from news-media related stories and hollywood) until you participate in it. It is really, nothing like what you imagine it to be. Yes, there are guys/gals who are simply interested in sex, nothing more but by and large, people here simply dare to love and go all the way with a person and do the 'see how it goes before we get married'. As a buddhist, i consider Indian society has a lot to learn (rather, re-learn) about sexuality and approaches towards it because it has an extreme viewpoint on it rather than trying to follow the middle path ( a more balanced path). And what most hindus do not realize is that their notion of sexuality today is distinctly Abrahamic in nature and history also bears a silent testament to this : I do not find it a coincidence that just a few hundred years before the arrival of Islamic invaders, our culture wrote encyclopediac collections on sexuality, carved the khajuraho temples. There is a 'missing link' in your entire concept of hinduism ( which is the gap in Hinduvta notion of hinduism) and let me demonstrate it : you are mostly correct about 1200 years of Islamic attrocities & attack on our culture. You are also correct when you credit some of the relatively more pacifistic islamic variations (like Sufism for eg) to Islam's interaction with the more relaxed & benevolent Indic culture. But the entire part you miss is that our culture too got affected by Islam ! Think about this - from even the most basic scientific standpoint : there can be no interaction between two objects if one object remains completely unaffected by the other. To put it simply, when the two intellectually opposite cultures collided ( the violent and absolutist Islamic & the pacifist & assimilatory Dharmic culture), both gave a part of its attributes to the other. Just like Dharma had a slightly moderating effect on Islam by nurturing Sufism, Islam had a radicalizing effect on hinduism, evident from our Hinduvta types and hinduvta superiorist organisations like RSS/VHP etc. You guys never stop to consider that Hinduism today is by and large not the hinduism of our ancestors in many of our practices & worldview. Simply because most of us are not well educated in Indic logic & dharma-vichched. This is why India in 2007 is throwing a hissy fit about teaching kids about sex and India in 600 AD were busy taking about seduction, sexual murtis & who carved the crotch of which murti. This difference exists simply because Hinduism today = Hinduism + Islamic ideology in certain areas. It is our ignorance about sexual nature of humans and sexual practices is what is causing the AIDS explosion in India. As i said- why don't you wonder for a moment on this : WHY isnt AIDS a booming phenomenon in most western nations despite our much more 'relaxed and casual' approach towards it ????? Why is it a booming phenomenon in our 'super-family life oriented ' culture ?!? If it is because 'indians are becomming more relaxed and western thanks to western cultural invasion', then why is it not a booming phenomenon in most western nations ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgusa Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 nicely done CC1981. Damn mughals and other islamic rulers, then the damn victorians totally spoiled all the fun in the Indian society. The land of kamasutra doesnt know what to do with the human body! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 If Dad and Mom want to deciede, fine- they get to deciede if their child will attend biology or not. IMO, sex-ed belongs in the biology class, in its entirity. I don't get the point of biology in Indian high schools ( and i know this because of several doctors in my family having said so) - the entire class 12 biology is repeated in first year medical schools & biology honours programs. Instead of wasting a year of education, chop off class-12 biology, fit in sex-ed under biology in class 6-7 and bump up the curriculum in subsequent grades. Is much more productive that way. And if mom & dad don't want their children to learn biology, they can always be given/should be given the option to withdraw their child form biology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgusa Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 If Dad and Mom want to deciede, fine- they get to deciede if their child will attend biology or not. IMO, sex-ed belongs in the biology class, in its entirity. I don't get the point of biology in Indian high schools ( and i know this because of several doctors in my family having said so) - the entire class 12 biology is repeated in first year medical schools & biology honours programs. Instead of wasting a year of education, chop off class-12 biology, fit in sex-ed under biology in class 6-7 and bump up the curriculum in subsequent grades. Is much more productive that way. And if mom & dad don't want their children to learn biology, they can always be given/should be given the option to withdraw their child form biology. Although the irony of the fact that they are withholding from the child the reason it was born should be made obv to them :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suma25 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Jenna is a fine specimen of the female body :) EDIT: Just noticed that this is post # 69 for me :D :D:hysterical::two_thumbs_up: btw jennjameson was now she is just nothign but a bag of bones:thumbs_down: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feverpitch Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 :hysterical::two_thumbs_up: btw jennjameson was now she is just nothign but a bag of bones:thumbs_down: and quite ugly too boot. however, she is certainly intelligent, going by her autobiography : How to Make Love Like a Porn Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suma25 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 and quite ugly too boot. however' date=' she is certainly intelligent, going by her autobiography : How to Make Love Like a Porn Star man useem to have acrush on her... uska autobiography bhi kareed liya.doubt though whether it really written by her or not.but ye pornstars ki toh chaandi hain hefner's girls with their own reality shitty show. pamela anderson with her own shitty comic strip ...has anybody seen family business:giggle:. ithink it used to come on show time...... this thread is going haywire.....from sex ed to pornstars:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 Although the irony of the fact that they are withholding from the child the reason it was born should be made obv to them :) True. But i think its a pipe-dream to expect people to be THAT openminded. Lets start with biology being optional and take it from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feverpitch Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 man useem to have acrush on her... uska autobiography bhi kareed liya.doubt though whether it really written by her or not.but ye pornstars ki toh chaandi hain hefner's girls with their own reality shitty show. pamela anderson with her own shitty comic strip ...has anybody seen family business:giggle:. ithink it used to come on show time...... this thread is going haywire.....from sex ed to pornstars:D the book shd be available in ur local public library, assuming ur in the us of a. as for whether it has been ghosted, well... the ideas and feelings are definitely her own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaurav Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 feverpitch are you COB? You sound like him :haha: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feverpitch Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 feverpitch are you COB? You sound like him :haha: sorry no idea who that is. i'm feverpitch, here, elsewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feverpitch Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 as some of the other new entrants to this forum will surely testify... just ask pessileg [fineleg], chhappan chhori [coverpoint], bimmer-usa [sgusa], flute etc.:cantstop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaurav Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 as some of the other new entrants to this forum will surely testify... just ask pessileg [fineleg], chhappan chhori [coverpoint], bimmer-usa [sgusa], flute etc.:cantstop: COB is a guy called Captain of Bhangra. I don't think he has posted for a while. If I remember correctly then he was a big fan of Jenna auntyji as well:regular_smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandtest Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 ......... ........ You really do not understand the dynamics of sexuality in the western society ( your frame of reference is only from news-media related stories and hollywood) until you participate in it. It is really, nothing like what you imagine it to be. .. Yes, there are guys/gals who are simply interested in sex, nothing more but by and large, people here simply dare to love and go all the way with a person and do the 'see how it goes before we get married'. As a buddhist, i consider Indian society has a lot to learn (rather, re-learn) about sexuality and approaches towards it because it has an extreme viewpoint on it rather than trying to follow the middle path ( a more balanced path). ..... ... Obviously you will not be able to understand the point....you are not a parent, who knows the pain of bringing up child in best possible way....that's the basis of whole understanding. Me or nobody is denying the sexual liberation..but why can't parents be given education first as they have the foremost responsibility to bring up the next generation.....try to understand the concern of a father-Mother for their son/daughter...and then talk about it. Just like Dharma had a slightly moderating effect on Islam by nurturing Sufism, Islam had a radicalizing effect on hinduism, evident from our Hinduvta types and hinduvta superiorist organisations like RSS/VHP etc. Once again your anti-Hindu sentiments are reflected throughout your post. You have made it a habit to pass your value judgement on Hindus and project them in bad light, missing no opportunity to take pot-shots at RSS over anything and everything fed to you by western media. You have no idea how many schools RSS runs for providing free education to those under-developed masses of India, where there are no schools, while your commie and p-sec folks keep themselves busy appeasing vote bank...same time RSS not even a political organization, wonder what they will gain by all these sincere works -- They will gain well being of India-- and that is what Karma-yoga without greed or desire of fruit is all about. As i said, sexual close-mindedness is rather ironic from Indians, especially the 'we are blah blah highorse culture' toting snooty ones, given that it was our ancestors who wrote the Kama Sutra ( and FYI, i own a completely unabriged copy of it- there is even a chapter on how to seduce someone else in it, including extra-marital sexuality) and it was our ancestors who built Khajuraho. Do you fully understand Kamasutra and the basis of Khajuraho statues.? It seems you consider these as symbols of Plain Vanilla Sex....I am not suprised since not your mistake, whole west tries to project them as Plain Vanilla Sex. Your source of information is visible here itself. Anyay, if you can come across some more interpretations, NOT from westerners but from our own Indians, probably you will have some better understanding-- but I doubt given your anti-Hindu attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suma25 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Me or nobody is denying the sexual liberation..but why can't parents be given education first as they have the foremost responsibility to bring up the next generation.....try to understand the concern of a father-Mother for their son/daughter.am confused here educate parents on what.. how best to impart knowledge about sex to their childrenor what sex education is all about??? correct me if iam wrong well thats what sex ed books are for sex education.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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