Govt ignores left's stance over israel defence-tie

[Guest dada_rocks]

PS: Givw nahin Govt.. >> wonde why the option of user being able to change the thread subject got disabled http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Govt_ignores_Left_protest_on_Indo-Israel_ties/articleshow/2324654.cms Even as preparations are afoot for a visit by Israeli defence minister Ehud Barak in September-October, here is a rundown on projects under discussion: Missile systems: The showpiece under this is the Rs 10,000-crore joint project to develop an advanced Barak medium-range surface-to-air missile system for IAF and Army. This comes after 14 Barak-I anti-missile defence systems were bought for Navy, at around Rs 130 crore apiece, after the 1999 Kargil conflict. There is more to follow. After buying Python air-to-air missiles and Crystal Maze PGMs for IAF fighters, India is now on course for Derby air-to-air missiles, Delilah-II air-launched cruise missiles and Gabriel-III sea-skimming anti-ship missiles for both IAF and Navy. For the Army, after the Lahat laser-homing attack missile, the Spike multi-purpose anti-tank guided missile is on the cards. The Army will also get SpyDer quick-reaction anti-aircraft missile systems after IAF's Rs 1,800-crore contract for 18 such air defence systems. Then, of course, the two sides are discussing spin-offs from the Israeli Arrow-II ballistic missile defence (BMD) system. India has already imported two Israeli Green Pine radars, which can detect and track hostile missiles from 500 km away, to use them in the development of its own BMD system. UAVs: Having inducted over 60 Israeli Searcher-II, Heron and other UAVs since Kargil, the armed forces are now looking for some more spy drones. Apart from providing technical help to the Indian UAV programmes, Israel is also discussing the sale of 'Skylite-B' micro-UAVs for Indian special forces. "Combat" UAVs, which can launch missiles, too, figure in the long-term plans. Special forces: Apart from contracts for Tavor-21 5.56 mm assault rifles and Galil sniper rifles, valued around $20 million, India is now looking at Desert Eagle/Jericho handguns, Micro-Uzi machine pistols and Negev 5.56 mm light machine guns for its elite special forces. Radars: Israel is providing India with potent "eyes in the skies" to detect enemy air intrusions. Under the $1.1-billion AWACS (airborne warning and control systems) project, for instance, India will begin inducting three Israeli "Phalcons" from mid-2008 onwards. Similarly, IAF wants to procure four more EL/M-2083 Aerostat radars, mounted on blimp-like balloons tethered to ground, as a follow-on order to the two such radars inducted in 2004-2005 under a $145-million deal. Aircraft upgrades and avionics: After assisting the $626-million upgrade of 125 MiG-21 'Bisons', Israel will now be involved in upgrades of Mirage-2000 and MiG-29 fighters as well as TU-142 maritime reconnaissance aircraft and Mi-17 helicopters. Israel is already providing 'litening pods', used for precision-targeting with laser-guided bombs, for Jaguars and Mirage-2000s, as also the avionics package for the new Sukhoi-30MKI jets. Israel is also part of the Rs 476-crore upgrade of 14 naval Sea Harrier jump-jets, with missiles and EL/M-2032 multi-mode fire-control radars. The glass-cockpit kits for 'Dhruv' advanced light helicopters are also coming from Israel. Incidentally, the gigantic Rs 42,000-crore project to procure 126 fighters for IAF, the global tender for which was floated on August 28, will also have an Israeli imprint in terms of avionics. To add to all this, Israel is also involved in the Army's artillery modernisation programme, F-INSAS (future infantry soldier as a system) project and the upgrade of its T-72 tank fleet.

[theguyinallblue]

we need israel's help..to check china's help to pakistan..

[Gaurav]

लेफ्ट की माँ ki

[Guest dada_rocks]

वामपंथियों को नग्नावस्था में उल्टा लटका कर भींगे वस्त्र पहनाकर बांस की पतली छंरी से ----- सटाक, सटाक, सटाक, सटाक |

[sandtest]

वामपंथियों को नग्नावस्था में उल्टा लटका कर भींगे वस्त्र पहनाकर बांस की पतली छंरी से ----- सटाक' date=' सटाक, सटाक, सटाक |[/quote'] Exactly, my words....Leftist needs to be kicked hard...they are the biggest traitors working against the interest of Nation for fulfilling their fanatsy of Marxian ideology...IMHO they are no different than radical Islamists who pursue same agenda to fulfil their ummah ideologies. We need Israeli joint venture more than anything else....Our latest Su-30 MKIs are loaded with Israeli radars and avionics. Israelis are the only country which will not support Chincommies and Pukis in any defense related matter. even our so called "traditional" ally Russia supplies Sukhois to China on regular basis. recently Russia agreed to transfer RD33 Engine technology to Pakitsan via China, which they will use in Puki JF17 aircraft, India's protest was ignored by Ruskies.:confused_smile:

[CC1981]

..they are the biggest traitors working against the interest of Nation for fulfilling their fanatsy of Marxian ideology...IMHO they are no different than radical Islamists who pursue same agenda to fulfil their ummah ideologies.

Be careful not to lump the entire left with the commies- the socialists are a different bunch and a far saner bunch than either the commies or the capitalists- this is a proven fact in world economics where the leading countries in terms of living standards are socialist nations ( Norway,Sweden,Finland,Denmark, Holland, Germany, Canada) and not capitalist.

[THX_1138]

Why on earth is the Left front suddenly ruining its otherwise perfect participation in the center? So far i was happy for the CPI's participation in checking rampant globalization and "ambanification" of the country... but lately they have started wiping their arses with foreign policy... do they not know that communist foreign policy has no place in this world? maybe they ought to be sent on a trip to north korea.

[THX_1138]

Be careful not to lump the entire left with the commies- the socialists are a different bunch and a far saner bunch than either the commies or the capitalists- this is a proven fact in world economics where the leading countries in terms of living standards are socialist nations ( Norway' date='Sweden,Finland,Denmark, Holland, Germany, Canada) and not capitalist.[/quote'] these nations are very much capitalist... they are socialist when it comes to human resources such as a federally funded pension system, universal health care and regulated economy to prevent monopolization which is still closer to free market than every socialist/capitalist nation. companies like nokia, and total are products of such economies.

[bigdhoni7]

even our so called "traditional" ally Russia supplies Sukhois to China on regular basis. recently Russia agreed to transfer RD33 Engine technology to Pakitsan via China, which they will use in Puki JF17 aircraft, India's protest was ignored by Ruskies.:confused_smile:

wait, when did this happen? i dont see why russia would do this as 1) they dont trust china and 2) they definitely dont like pakistan (afghan invasion).

[theguyinallblue]

its all about money honey... China US business transactions are much more than whats berween US Japan...

[Guest dada_rocks]

its all about money honey... China US business transactions are much more than whats berween US Japan...

Precisely we tooishoudl make all efforts to make usa as dependent on us as china then we could blow hydrogen bomb daily still they wud not care

[CC1981]

these nations are very much capitalist... they are socialist when it comes to human resources such as a federally funded pension system, universal health care and regulated economy to prevent monopolization which is still closer to free market than every socialist/capitalist nation. companies like nokia, and total are products of such economies.

Err no, these nations are NOT capitalist, they are socialist. Socialism is communist principles infused to a capitalist base, which is why the most capitalist nation in the world today is USA and it is falling behind (in terms of living standards), due to a less balanced methodoly. Pension fund + healthcare + education sector make up almost 50% of a nation's economy in 1st world nations- and if they are government controlled, the nation cannot be a capitalist nation.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Another dare for the leftist scumbags, sthg tells me we are headed for mid-term election........ Major naval drill kicks off in Indian Ocean 4 Sep 2007, 1310 hrs IST,AFP http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Major_naval_drill_kicks_off_in_Indian_Ocean/articleshow/2336668.cms PORT BLAIR: A massive naval drill started in the Indian Ocean on Tuesday with warships from the United States and four other nations flexing their muscle in one of the world's busiest shipping lanes. Twenty-seven ships and submarines from the United States, Australia, Japan and Singapore will join seven from host India off the Andamans archipelago in the Bay of Bengal for the six-day manoeuvres, officials said. It will be one of the biggest ever peacetime joint military exercises, including anti-piracy, reconnaissance and rescue missions besides honing inter-operability or coordination skills between the navies of the four nations, Indian Navy spokesman Vinay Garg said. The exercise, stretching from India's eastern coast to the Andamans near Indonesia, will include super-carriers USS Nimitz and USS Kitty Hawk of the US Navy's Pacific fleet and India's lone aircraft carrier, the INS Viraat. The international exercises, codenamed Malabar, are facing stiff resistance from anti-US Left parties, who denounced them as proof of "India's growing subservience to the United States." The Left parties, who prop up the government in parliament, also oppose a landmark Indo-US civilian nuclear energy deal to bring New Delhi back into the loop of global atomic commerce after decades in the nuclear wilderness. The exercises -- the 13th to be held since 1995 -- will spill into the Malacca Strait, a 805-kilometre strip between Malaysia and Sumatra. The renowned shipping lane accounts for 60 percent of the world's maritime energy transport. India had opposed the United States during the Cold War, has denied claims that the exercise is aimed at intimidating neighbouring giant China, with which the country fought a brief border war more than four decades ago. "This is simply directed at ensuring security of the sea lanes of communication," Minister of State for Defence Pallam Raju said. In the past, India has held exercises with navies from Britain, France, Russia, Singapore and Vietnam. A tri-nation event involving Brazil, India and South Africa is likely to be held in May 2008. The nuclear-armed Indian navy, which operates 137 ships, wants its supremacy in the region unchallenged and during the 2004 tsunami it rebuffed US offers of aid and sent out relief ships to ravaged Sri Lanka and Indonesia. Experts said India cannot afford to abstain from joint exercises due to the strategic importance of the sea lanes. "Reluctance to participate in joint naval manoeuvres sends wrong signals to countries that share common interests," said retired Rear Admiral Raja Menon. The latest drill is the second Malabar exercise since April 2006 when the Indian and US navies met off the Japanese coast of Yokosuka. Sri Lanka, which is battling a Tamil separatist revolt, has welcomed the exercises saying they would bolster maritime military cooperation in the troubled Bay waters infested with pirates and Tamil Tiger arms smugglers. "Whatever activity is taking place, if that strengthens international trade and commerce through the high seas, it's something intrinsically welcome to us," Sri Lankan Ambassador to India C R Jayasinghe told reporters. Military industry sources said the event would also give US and other nations a chance to showcase their newest armaments to India's navy which is on a shopping spree for more hardware. "The navy has been on a shopping binge since it abandoned its doctrine of coastal protection and embraced an aggressive policy of bluewater expansion," analyst Sujoy Banerjee said. The navy plans to lease a 12,000-tonne Russian nuclear-powered submarine next year and hopes to acquire five more such vessels. var RN = new String (Math.random()); var RNS = RN.substring (2,11); var b2 = ' '; if (doweshowbellyad==1) bellyad.innerHTML = b2;

[CC1981]

sthg tells me

Whats sthg ?

[sandtest]

Another dare for the leftist scumbags, sthg tells me we are headed for mid-term election........

it's not new thing that left parties threaten to bring down GOI in private--- they did this before but not at this scale.... This definately shows desperate attempt by "Peoples" Republic of China (PRC) to sabotage our naval military growth. It seems that PRC bosses are not happy for what left parties did with the previous similiar Naval excercise and it seems that Indian leftists have gotten some real orders to do something concrete that can make people notice..:angry_smile:

[CC1981]

This definately shows desperate attempt by "Peoples" Republic of China (PRC) to sabotage our naval military growth.

Throwing around unprovable allegations serve nothing more than create further polarity and unnecessary brinkmanship. Which is very much counterproductive to the benifits of India. Whether the left is controlled by China or not in India is unsubstantiated allegation. But it doesnt change the fact that CPM is a pretty big retard in this respect. Your overzealous Indian pride is getting in the way of common sense and is unecessarily provoking a response from China. You are simply drawing baseless conclusions fuelled by your own paranoia that further increase the temperature of the boiling pot, when the scenario is to avoid a critical meltdown. Good job, really. Glad you are not running a power plant or anything requiring substantial safety standards.

[sandtest]

(Ignoring CC1981 on this serious issue for obvious reasons) One thing IB/RAW need to establish is how leftists communicate with their bosses in PRC. It may begin with PRC embassy in India which often pretends meeting with Indian "intellectuals". Intelligence agencies need to keep an eye on this. On the other hand PRC intelligence agencies also work through numerous surrogates such as "Indo-Chini Freindship society", "progressive writers association" and all similiar sounding names and organizations with Chincommie link. any given point of time numerous left-leaning people (trade unionists, farmers' organisation, etc.) are making trips to their Chini motherland on "invitation" to strengthen the so called "Indi-Chin" friendship and and thus to renew their commitment for commradarie. Sometimes they get together on third party grounds, like in Cuba or in Myanmar for some seminars. So Indian intelligence agencies have a tough task ahead.:sad_smile:

[CC1981]

One thing IB/RAW need to establish is how leftists communicate with their bosses in PRC.

They obviously need to contact your sources, since you have access to facts apparently that even IB/RAW do not.

It may begin with PRC embassy in India which often pretends meeting with Indian "intellectuals". Intelligence agencies need to keep an eye on this.

Yeah. I guess you just finished watching James Bond : Casino Royale. Way to go, spymaster ! Anymore tips to the IB/RAW from your latest spy-novel thriller ?

any given point of time numerous left-leaning people (trade unionists, farmers' organisation, etc.) are making trips to their Chini motherland on "invitation" to strengthen the so called "Indi-Chin" friendship and and thus to renew their commitment for commradarie.

Anyone who is anti-trade union & farmers organistion is nothing more than playing perfectly into the hands of the capitalists and a rather low-life 'money over everything' mentality person IMO.

[Guest dada_rocks]

it's not new thing that left parties threaten to bring down GOI in private--- they did this before but not at this scale.... This definately shows desperate attempt by "Peoples" Republic of China (PRC) to sabotage our naval military growth. It seems that PRC bosses are not happy for what left parties did with the previous similiar Naval excercise and it seems that Indian leftists have gotten some real orders to do something concrete that can make people notice..:angry_smile:

:hysterical: I am keeping my fingers crossed, in next 10 years left will be history in india keep watching.. These scumbags burqua is about to be thrown open....... Orisa CM is doing nice job of exposing them, given these idiots are willing to kill people to bring in private investments in WB but somehow POSCO project of Orisaa becomes anti-poor....

[CC1981]

given these idiots are willing to kill people to bring in private investments in WB

Err, that is nothing more than carefully tailoring the story to suit your propaganda- killings in WB were from both the govt ( read: commies) and opposition ( read: non-commies) side. As i said to you long before, the Nandigram issue is one of politicians using violence as a political tool - with lot of incitements from both sides. But then again, intellectual honesty never was a strong trait in you.