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Indian pitches: a veritable graveyard for bowlers!


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Indian pitches are flat and lifeless. They are just made for run-fest. You cannot blame bowlers on giving away runs in these pitches. These are pitches tailor made for batsmen to display their skills. Any ODI batsmen who plays on these pitches with a strike rate below 85% is not suited for ODI cricket. It is that simple! http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=3250;type=series

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Indian pitches are flat and lifeless. They are just made for run-fest. You cannot blame bowlers on giving away runs in these pitches. /quote] That has always been India's strategy - to provide batting tracks to play to its strength(read spoon feed world class "batsmen"). This used to work rather well in 90s, specially in Test cricket where we remained undefeated for the major portion. However I beleive what is happening now is that Australian batsmen have adjusted very well to Indian conditions and turned the table on Indian strategy. It should be interesting to see how India fares against Australia in Test matches on the same tracks. Based on the current series performance I am not sure many Indians will side with India. xxx
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Head Coach , Does the same apply to Test matches also in your opinion ?
yes Bhai, Our pitches are all for batsmen to show-off. Now talking about strike rates. If you look at ODI's in India any asking rate below 6 is achievable. So batsmen who are batting at a slower rate invites pressure on the ones that are yet to bat.
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Head Coach here is the stat that I was talking about .... very simple stat that counts every single Run that has ever been scored in Test Cricket ... and takes a ratio of RunsPerTest ... This table is sorted by the RunsPerTest Column and you can see who tops the list
 
Country       TotalRuns    Tests  RunsPerTest HomeTeamRunsPerTest 
Australia     373,138        361    1034        537
West Indies   201,638        196    1029        520
India         200,696        207     970        491
Pakistan       43,509        150     957        494
Zimbabw        41,953         44     953        468
Sri Lanka      79,454         84     946        489
England       414,024        440     941        481
South Africa  165,257        176     939        479
Bangladesh     20,994         23     913        412
New Zealand   145,179        161     902        439
 
 

BB, Can you also show results column with rained out tests or no results in a separate column. Thanks!
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Yes I can Bongo ... stay tuned ... but pls comment on the above stats in the meanwhile.
Above stat is too generalized to make any meaningful comment. It does not take into account that certain countries have been playing cricket for MUCH MUCH longer and have had periods of dead-pitch batting ( eg: England and Australia in the 1920s or WI in the 1950s) along with having periods of bowler-friendly minefields ( AUS of 70s, WI of 80s, NZ of 80s etc). Utterly irrelevant stat when we are talking about a particular time-frame in mind.
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Head Coach, nobody has that Data ... CC here are the stats for 1990 - 2007 period will do the 80s later
Country            TotalRuns   Tests   RunsPerTest
Australia             108,003      103      1,049 
England             120,069      113      1,063 
Pakistan              65,656      65      1,010 
India              63,025      62      1,017 
South Africa     75,466      78      968 
Sri Lanka              69,484      72      965 
West Indies     78,339      80      979 
New Zealand     67,342      69      976 
Zimbabwe           41,953      44      953 
Bangladesh     20,994      23      913

Runs per test is meaningless without seeing how many wickets/test were taken as well. For simply speaking from runs/test, 300 runs will make it look like a better batting paradise than 250...yet if 300 runs were scored at the loss of 8 wickets and 250 at the loss of just 1, we all know which pitch was the batting pitch and which wasn't.
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Head Coach, nobody has that Data ... CC here are the stats for 1990 - 2007 period will do the 80s later
Country            TotalRuns   Tests   RunsPerTest
Australia             108,003      103      1,049 
England             120,069      113      1,063 
Pakistan              65,656      65      1,010 
India              63,025      62      1,017 
South Africa     75,466      78      968 
Sri Lanka              69,484      72      965 
West Indies     78,339      80      979 
New Zealand     67,342      69      976 
Zimbabwe           41,953      44      953 
Bangladesh     20,994      23      913

BB, Your stats prove it. In India teams batting first often post a total around 500 which is unachievable when batting second. Team who batted first ends up with an innings victory. On the other hand the pitches in Australia and England are so well balanced that teams tend to bat 4 innings which takes the total runs scored per test at a higher rate. Sadly your stats are not enough to prove our pitches bowler friendly. I hope you get it!
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BB, Your stats prove the following: In India teams batting first often post a total around 500 which is unachievable when batting second. Team who batted first ends up with an innings victory. On the other hand the pitches in Australia and England are so well balanced that teams tend to bat 4 innings which takes the total runs scored per test at a higher rate. Sadly your stats are not enough to prove our pitches bowler friendly. I hope you get it!
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By the by why are we having a discussion about Test match stats in a thread that deals with SR in LOI??? Wouldnt LOI stats be more prudent here? :joyman:
yes Lurker, BB wanted a discussion on the state of our pitches and hence this diversion. It is simple: Batsmen who are not able to cop up with the speed at which LOIs are played cannot continue to play this game. Strike rate gives a good indication of who needs to be chucked out from the current Indian team :wink_smile:
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