head coach Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Indian pitches are flat and lifeless. They are just made for run-fest. You cannot blame bowlers on giving away runs in these pitches. These are pitches tailor made for batsmen to display their skills. Any ODI batsmen who plays on these pitches with a strike rate below 85% is not suited for ODI cricket. It is that simple! http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=3250;type=series Link to comment
yoda Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Any ODI batsmen who plays on these pitches with a strike rate below 85% is not suited for ODI cricket. It is that simple! Romesh powar? Link to comment
head coach Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Yoda, We can only rate "Batsmen" who had a considerable amount of time to hit the ball out there... Link to comment
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Lurker Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Indian pitches are flat and lifeless. They are just made for run-fest. You cannot blame bowlers on giving away runs in these pitches. /quote] That has always been India's strategy - to provide batting tracks to play to its strength(read spoon feed world class "batsmen"). This used to work rather well in 90s, specially in Test cricket where we remained undefeated for the major portion. However I beleive what is happening now is that Australian batsmen have adjusted very well to Indian conditions and turned the table on Indian strategy. It should be interesting to see how India fares against Australia in Test matches on the same tracks. Based on the current series performance I am not sure many Indians will side with India. xxx Link to comment
head coach Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Head Coach , Does the same apply to Test matches also in your opinion ? yes Bhai, Our pitches are all for batsmen to show-off. Now talking about strike rates. If you look at ODI's in India any asking rate below 6 is achievable. So batsmen who are batting at a slower rate invites pressure on the ones that are yet to bat. Link to comment
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gs Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Any ODI batsmen who plays on these pitches with a strike rate below 85% is not suited for ODI cricket. It is that simple! Abe seedha Ganguly bolna :D Link to comment
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Bongosamaj Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I wonder if the so-called statistician can provide us a decade-by-decade breakup of average runs/test scored in respective nations. Wouldn't be surprised if since 1980s, Indian pitches are again amongst the top 3 in terms of easiest place for batsmen to bat. Link to comment
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head coach Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Head Coach here is the stat that I was talking about .... very simple stat that counts every single Run that has ever been scored in Test Cricket ... and takes a ratio of RunsPerTest ... This table is sorted by the RunsPerTest Column and you can see who tops the list Country TotalRuns Tests RunsPerTest HomeTeamRunsPerTest Australia 373,138 361 1034 537 West Indies 201,638 196 1029 520 India 200,696 207 970 491 Pakistan 43,509 150 957 494 Zimbabw 41,953 44 953 468 Sri Lanka 79,454 84 946 489 England 414,024 440 941 481 South Africa 165,257 176 939 479 Bangladesh 20,994 23 913 412 New Zealand 145,179 161 902 439 BB, Can you also show results column with rained out tests or no results in a separate column. Thanks! Link to comment
Lurker Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 By the by why are we having a discussion about Test match stats in a thread that deals with SR in LOI??? Wouldnt LOI stats be more prudent here? :joyman: Link to comment
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Bongosamaj Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Yes I can Bongo ... stay tuned ... but pls comment on the above stats in the meanwhile. Above stat is too generalized to make any meaningful comment. It does not take into account that certain countries have been playing cricket for MUCH MUCH longer and have had periods of dead-pitch batting ( eg: England and Australia in the 1920s or WI in the 1950s) along with having periods of bowler-friendly minefields ( AUS of 70s, WI of 80s, NZ of 80s etc). Utterly irrelevant stat when we are talking about a particular time-frame in mind. Link to comment
Bongosamaj Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Head Coach, nobody has that Data ... CC here are the stats for 1990 - 2007 period will do the 80s later Country TotalRuns Tests RunsPerTest Australia 108,003 103 1,049 England 120,069 113 1,063 Pakistan 65,656 65 1,010 India 63,025 62 1,017 South Africa 75,466 78 968 Sri Lanka 69,484 72 965 West Indies 78,339 80 979 New Zealand 67,342 69 976 Zimbabwe 41,953 44 953 Bangladesh 20,994 23 913 Runs per test is meaningless without seeing how many wickets/test were taken as well. For simply speaking from runs/test, 300 runs will make it look like a better batting paradise than 250...yet if 300 runs were scored at the loss of 8 wickets and 250 at the loss of just 1, we all know which pitch was the batting pitch and which wasn't. Link to comment
head coach Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Head Coach, nobody has that Data ... CC here are the stats for 1990 - 2007 period will do the 80s later Country TotalRuns Tests RunsPerTest Australia 108,003 103 1,049 England 120,069 113 1,063 Pakistan 65,656 65 1,010 India 63,025 62 1,017 South Africa 75,466 78 968 Sri Lanka 69,484 72 965 West Indies 78,339 80 979 New Zealand 67,342 69 976 Zimbabwe 41,953 44 953 Bangladesh 20,994 23 913 BB, Your stats prove it. In India teams batting first often post a total around 500 which is unachievable when batting second. Team who batted first ends up with an innings victory. On the other hand the pitches in Australia and England are so well balanced that teams tend to bat 4 innings which takes the total runs scored per test at a higher rate. Sadly your stats are not enough to prove our pitches bowler friendly. I hope you get it! Link to comment
head coach Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 BB, Your stats prove the following: In India teams batting first often post a total around 500 which is unachievable when batting second. Team who batted first ends up with an innings victory. On the other hand the pitches in Australia and England are so well balanced that teams tend to bat 4 innings which takes the total runs scored per test at a higher rate. Sadly your stats are not enough to prove our pitches bowler friendly. I hope you get it! Link to comment
head coach Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 By the by why are we having a discussion about Test match stats in a thread that deals with SR in LOI??? Wouldnt LOI stats be more prudent here? :joyman: yes Lurker, BB wanted a discussion on the state of our pitches and hence this diversion. It is simple: Batsmen who are not able to cop up with the speed at which LOIs are played cannot continue to play this game. Strike rate gives a good indication of who needs to be chucked out from the current Indian team :wink_smile: Link to comment
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