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Quote by Lurker We would be okay, if and only if, we do not go the Pakistan's religious way. If there is a lesson for Pakistan here, there is an equal lesson for India here - Religious fanaticism doesnt pay. I hope the right wing parties take a note of it and stop plastering Indian election with a - Jo Hindu hit ki baat karega, wahi desh pe raaj karega. It is time to analyze whats going wrong in Pakistan but also to do some introspection of our own. xxx Wow..Excellent Lurker. Very well said! It strikes a chord within here....

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Lurker I agree with your point fully but at the same time I want to see uniform civil code and end of vote bank politics. All citizens to be treated equally, end of favouritism and regionalism. Strict secular laws that trump all religious crap.

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religouos fanaticim viz viz India and hinduism is biggest baloney ever peddled .. india never was fantic and never will be fanatic that's ingrained in the basic ethos of hinduism.. Akam brahmam vipra vahudha vadanti.. if there is message in this the message is if we keep appeasing terror for electoral-politics we will pay big time too.. India's biggest fear stems from steps like these (1) FOur minorities read muslims population have first right to our resources (2) we will allocate xyz% of budget for xyz community whence dividing country on communal lines PS: NO BJP manifesto talks abotu hindu hti ki baat karega wahin desh pe raaj karega but congress manifesto does exude muslim hit comes first.. go figure

[kumble_rocks]

religouos fanaticim viz viz India and hinduism is biggest baloney ever peddled .. india never was fantic and never will be fanatic that's ingrained in the basic ethos of hinduism.. Akam brahmam vipra vahudha vadanti.. if there is message in this the message is if we keep appeasing terror for electoral-politics we will pay big time too.. India's biggest fear stems from steps like these (1) FOur minorities read muslims population have first right to our resources (2) we will allocate xyz% of budget for xyz community whence dividing country on communal lines PS: NO BJP manifesto talks abotu hindu hti ki baat karega wahin desh pe raaj karega but congress manifesto does exude muslim hit comes first.. go figure

Did you forget the famous "Ram lehre umad rahe hai " line by your guru Advani , BJP did run on Hindutva platform before and will continue to do so in the future .. Advani owes Jai Sri Ram big time !:D

[Guest dada_rocks]

NO Bull$hiting find me those words mentioned by lurker in any BJP manifesto.. Ram leher umar rahe hain are mere sloganeering 15% allocation of fund for muslim are concerete steps on top of sloganeering that muslims have first claim to the resources go figure who is communal and who is secular.. Can u find a single legislation step in all states governed by BJP or NDA where any such divisive legislation was brought in..

[Guest dada_rocks]

MEssage is clear: If u play *****footing with crimnal terrorists in ma eof electoral politics u will pay.. Rajeev Gandhi paid it by his footsy game with LTTE and still these idiots have not learnt. this time they are flirting with much deadlier clowns.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Boolsheet. Hindus just went around burning churches in Orissa. Yes, the fanatic hindus claim that some sadhu-baba of theirs were attacked but instead of being civilized and registering a case/find the ones who did it, the uncivilized and wannabe-pacifist hindus instead went around setting fire to so many churches. So much for your claim- it does not matter what Hindu texts say/don't say about violence- it is pretty categoric a fact that hindus are just a milder version of muslims when it comes to starting their own saffron-jihaad. Not to mention, historically speaking,there is AMPLE evidence that hindu fanatics used systematic violence and intimidation to cause decline of Buddhism in India, just like how the muslim fundamentalists tried to do in India several centuries later. In reality, the pacifists produced by our civilization are the Jains,Carvaka & Buddhists. Hindus are pretty much wannabe and arnt averse to genocidal tendencies- much lesser than the Muslims mind you, but still pretty pathetic at that.

And in nagaland chrstians do much worse to hindus In kashmir muslims do further worse things to hindus I never heard any clown shouting India is under grip of muslim or christian fundamentalism.. Suddenly few incidents happen somewhere else it's doom-time.. BS of highest order

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NO Bull find me those words mentioned by lurker in any BJP manifesto.. Ram leher umar rahe hain are mere sloganeering .

He was spouting those lines in a Rath yatra during election time... and you don't find that communal ? Get over it dude ,both parties are communal .. congress tries to appease the minorities , BJP tries to appease the Hindu upper caste ...

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Err nagaland conflict is based on secessionism, it has very little to do with religion. In any case, i'd like to see EVIDENCE of christians burning temples and threatening to kill hindus like the hindus did in Orissa. True..but your initial claim that there is no hindu fanaticism is categorically false- i've given you evidence and there is a pretty recent article on BBC about hindu fanatics burning churches..link can be provided very easily. Because INdia is under the grip of religious fundamentalism, period- mainly from hinduvta and muslim fanatics. Nothing more than 'ignore instances of Hindu genocide & terrorism and pretend it didnt happen' from a one-eyed Hinduvta.

Bla bla bla freaking u have always some explanation for the rest only hindus need to be at their best behaviour.. get a lfie ur hindu-hatred is spilling over.. Hindus are preserving their culture if separatism allows violence why should not campaign against conversion..In a way it works towards safgurading geographical integrity of the country.. given these clowns when get their numbers right will take to separatism and therbey their violence will become kosher in views of psec clowns , because it's in name of separtism so why let that demographic shift to happen in first place.. Moronic explanation for one violence and demonic over-reaction over the other doesn;t impress anybody Fact remains hindus were never fanatic will never be fanatic these stary incidents of violence notwithstanding.. Last tiem I checked in last five years not even a single communal violence took place in Gujaraat supposedly hindutav lab, yes terror attack happend in akshdham sans community participation unlike godhara but noone was instigated.. Hidus by and large remain a very very peace-loving people when u drive them to egde once in a while they might snap but that's all.

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He was spouting those lines in a Rath yatra during election time... and you don't find that communal ? Get over it dude ' date='both parties are communal .. congress tries to appease the minorities , BJP tries to appease the Hindu upper caste ...[/quote'] So you have nothing.. I produced communal legislation by psec congressi now produce me just one communal legislation by BJP .. enough of bakwaas without any basis.... Or are u planning to peddle basless BS just like charges on NAMO.. Well go ahead u can writ editorials after editorial without subsatnce nobody cares but if u want debate produce sthg here.. Had hot hai baseless parade ki

[Lurker]

PS: NO BJP manifesto talks abotu hindu hti ki baat karega wahin desh pe raaj karega but congress manifesto does exude muslim hit comes first.. go figure

Either you do not follow politics as much as you say or you are such a obsessive fan of BJP that you refuse to agree to basic truths. Here, a few sample right off the bat.

Even before the House assembled, Mr. Katiyar and fellow MP from Padrauna, Ram Nagina Mishra, were seen gesticulating and talking angrily with Mr. Advani and Minister, Murli Manohar Joshi. ``Jo Hindu hit ki baat karega, wahi desh mein raj karega (only those who are pro-Hindu can govern this country),'' the VHP activists among BJP MPs shouted.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/01/stories/2002030103101300.htm

“You have done it,†BJP president Rajnath Singh told Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi who called at 12.20 pm, after the victory had become obvious. A banner outside the BJP office had already declared, “Jo Hindu hith ka baat karega, wohi desh par raj karega,†and L K Advani heaped praises on “Gujarat’s dynamic and highly popular†leader.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/His-Gujarat-experiment-a-huge-success-Hindutva-2-0-ready-for-nationwide-launch/253504/

The poster, which reflected the mood in the BJP camp, prominently displayed the photo of Chief Minister Narendra Modi along with another slogan -- Jo Hindu hit ki baat karega, wohi desh mein raj karega (Whoever talks of the Hindu interests, will rule the country).

http://in.news.yahoo.com/071223/48/6orse.html There, you have 3 mentions of what comes out of right wingers. Now you have choice of: 1) Accept that you simply do not have a clue of how BJP works. 2) Accept that you missed this zingoism. 3) Put a spin on the whole mantra. Knowing you I know what your modus-operandi is gonna be. :giggle:

[kumble_rocks]

So you have nothing.. I produced communal legislation by psec congressi now produce me just one communal legislation by BJP .. enough of bakwaas without any basis.... Or are u planning to peddle basless BS just like charges on NAMO.. Well go ahead u can writ editorials after editorial without subsatnce nobody cares but if u want debate produce sthg here.. Had hot hai baseless parade ki

Huh ? You have this peculiar habit of posting gibberish when cornered. Forget communal legislation , BJP in the past has aligned with radical right wing party called Shiv Sena which has targeted South indians , muslims and now North Indians . We have been through this before. Doesn't that amount to communal overtures ? Admit it DR , BJP is a communal party just like Congress.

[kumble_rocks]

Jesus! CC stop pigeon holing entire hindu community . You are sounding more like DR now. The only difference , DR pigeon holes entire muslim community.

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BS peddling by psec media he said she said routine I am renewing the question again. Proof is inpudding and since they ave ruled and still rulign several states we have pudding sample to judge (1) Find me just single instance of any legislation whihc could remotely be termed communal under BJP/NDA watch in any state? Just one I am not asking for more given all this drama this should not be difficult for you psec brigade.

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Huh ? You have this peculiar habit of posting gibberish when cornered. Forget communal legislation ' date=' BJP in the past has aligned with radical right wing party called Shiv Sena which has targeted South indians , muslims and now North Indians . We have been through this before. Doesn't that amount to communal overtures ? Admit it DR , BJP is a communal party just like Congress.[/quote'] Again same BS he said she said, why don;t u find any rule law legislation anything instead of crappign the same old BS.

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BS peddling by psec media he said she said routine I am renewing the question again. Proof is inpudding and since they ave ruled and still rulign several states we have pudding sample to judge (1) Find me just single instance of any legislation whihc could remotely be termed communal under BJP/NDA watch in any state? Just one I am not asking for more given all this drama this should not be difficult for you psec brigade.

Boy , you really are a thick individual . I have already agreed that Congress plays the communal politics and the 15 % allocation sucks .. but for you to suggest that BJP is above and beyond communal politics is foolhardy and intellectually dishonest.

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He said she said BS even I can do . on top of that I have clear case of congressi allocating budget on the basis of religion.. Congress's alliance parties ''Drvid munters muslim kadgam: SIMI's harbinger Musolim league: Party which saw through India's division

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Boy ' date=' you really are a thick individual . I have already agreed that Congress plays the communal politics and the 15 % allocation sucks .. but for you to suggest that BJP is above and beyond communal politics is foolhardy and intellectually dishonest.[/quote'] Intellecutal honesty word coming from u sounds ridiculous.. I repeat the question why don't u find me any legislation instead of he said this and she said that proof as they say is in pudding.. Politicing aside ultimately u judge a party on basis of what they do when are in power no go ahead and for a change show some caojones.. Everytime I corner u to prove ur allegation u keep throwing one after another unrelated names incidents.. I am not intersted in that kind fo $hit give me sthg concrete..

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Which is exactly what you do! You have no problems quoting fundie muslims for their fundie comments but somehow, reputed media quoting fundies like Advani is not admissible. Clear double standards and one-eyed hinduvta-giri.

At he end of the day as they say proof is in pudding...... Trror related incidents has killed more india soliders than open war .. And thsi fact is not dependent on he said she said garbage it can be verified. Again who these terro warriors are and who support them is not matter of speculation can be verified again. Similarly I wud llike sthg concrete I produced the eividen fo congress's communal politics which happened through the latest legislation has happend in past in shah bano case. remeber this is no he said she said BS it's legislation either passed or yet to be passed brought before parliament I wud lie to see similar concrete point.. no he said she said BS throwing names an incudlgin in allgeatory tirade .. That debate never ends.. As they say proof is in pudding.. Let us see some pudding now..

[Guest dada_rocks]

Anyway question will remain i can see again u guys have taken BSing find me one piece of legislation anywhere we will talk till then u can continue with yourusual garbage peddling.