sandtest Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 This thread is intended to discuss and share the news and recent stories about resurgent Bhajapa or BJP as it is commonly known. The Congress and its Dynasty based umbrella ideology of "Nehruvian" self-inflicted morality is moving downhill. Now is the time for we Indians to look at the other major force in Indian politics--the BJP. The West and dhimmi media often presents the BJP as a party with a Hindu Nationalist ideology with a backward looking vision which is incompatible with modernity--- and that is NOT true. BJP and Modernity and Liberalism: The West holds that modern Liberal thinking is grounded in guarantees of the following rights to man-- 1. Freedom of Religion 2. Freedom of Expression 3. Freedom of Right to Assembly 4. Freedom of Right to Property 5. Freedom of Economic Activity, within the bounds of reasonable taxation. 6. Freedom of Movement within the nation 7. Freedom to Elect a Government of One's Choice 8. Freedom to hold, above all else, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality dear The BJP and its ideology and ultimate objective are fully upholding the above mentioned values. I would argue that western myopic understanding of "religious" is not necessarily the case in India, due to the nature of Hinduism and its inherent tolerant character. I am only going to answer point No. 1, others are free to answer the question, does the BJP believe in a contrarian view to any of the other 7 points that constitute Liberty, raised above? I think clearly BJP upholds all those values and it is evident from the 5 years transparent governance in Gujarat. Others are free to add more points to the 'Liberal Manifesto', and explain why the BJP has room for the expressed Liberal belief. 1. Freedom of Religion It is in the character and history of Hinduism to have multiple belief systems, within the Hindu religion. This has acted as a pressure release valve for the poor and downtrodden, or simply disenchanted, to decide to follow Vedanta, or Bhakti movements, instead of say his father's professed Mimansa based Brahmanism. The BJP's main objection to conversion stems from the observation that those converted belong to the most downtrodden section of society, who would in the normal course of time find some degree of social and economic mobility within Hinduism, but who are instead induced to convert by the lure or better economic and social options by wealthier missionaries of the other religions. And that the then converted belong to a belief system like Islam or Christianity which are exclusivist and contradicts the belief in Sarva Panth Sambhav (all beliefs are possible within one) which is the corner stone of Hindu faith and tolerance. So the resistance of Islamism and Evangelicalization is a MUST to protect inherent tolerance of Hinduism and BJP is justified in doing so, like most of the developed western nations do this. The major factor pushing people to convert, has been the inequity of the caste system. The BJP does not believe in the schisms of caste, they instead want one united Hindu faith, and wish to abolish casteism. At the same time I would like to criticize BJP where it lacks -- BJP lacks, when it comes to developing and nurturing Indian variants of Christianity and Islam, which can just be two other 'Panths' within the Hindu/Indian religious aegis. These can be the true competition to Christianity and Islam in India, and will really lock out conversion to a great extent. Basically, I feel that the BJP is in favour of Freedom of Religion within the framework of a tolerant Hindu state. I doubt that the BJP will try impose Hinduism upon the minorities, or anything like that. So I feel that they are in favour of Freedom of Religion. Choose Future of India, Choose BJP Just some thoughts on this Sunday ( I am not going to argue or counter argue with p-secs of ICF) Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandtest Posted December 30, 2007 Author Share Posted December 30, 2007 what BJP.... means when it says 'nationalism'?? It is "Cultural Nationalism". And "cultural Nationalism" is NOT equal to "Religious Nationalism" as practiced by certian Sharia obssessed Islamic country. Unfortunately our p-secs, and media elites, knowingly/unknowingly do not highlight this very difference that Cultural Nationalism of BJP is 167892729729 times better than "religious nationalism" of Islamic countries. And those who wet their pants (read commie crowd) at mere mention of the word "Nationalism" have so far ended up defining the debate by their high decibel vitriolic often confusing Cultural Nationalism with Religious own. It is time for we Indians to see the truth and reject the false propaganda in the name of "sekoolarism" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 It is time for we Indians to see the truth and reject the false propaganda in the name of "sekoolarism"yes, its 'high time' we defended comments about kicking all muslims outta India. Btw, i got news for you - since you've never been outta India, here is a little bit of info : MOST people in this world who are anti-nationalists are NOT communists, they are infact socialist democrats. Look up the difference, it will be highly educational for you. Infact, communism relies heavily on the concept of nationalism but then again, you'd have known that if you wern't simply following propaganda about what communism is and had bothered reading Das Capitals. BJP is a party allied staunchly with RSS, VHP and Shiv Sena. Those three are as 'religious nationalists' as it gets and this comment about BJP not being a religious nationalist group is just pure nonsense- yes, they arn't ALL about religious nationalism and have exhibited charecterstics of secular nationalism but their fundamental platform is religious nationalism. Their party-alliances proves that beyond a shadow of doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggot_brain Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 yes, its 'high time' we defended comments about kicking all muslims outta India. Btw, i got news for you - since you've never been outta India, here is a little bit of info : MOST people in this world who are anti-nationalists are NOT communists, they are infact socialist democrats. Look up the difference, it will be highly educational for you. Infact, communism relies heavily on the concept of nationalism but then again, you'd have known that if you wern't simply following propaganda about what communism is and had bothered reading Das Capitals. BJP is a party allied staunchly with RSS, VHP and Shiv Sena. Those three are as 'religious nationalists' as it gets and this comment about BJP not being a religious nationalist group is just pure nonsense- yes, they arn't ALL about religious nationalism and have exhibited charecterstics of secular nationalism but their fundamental platform is religious nationalism. Their party-alliances proves that beyond a shadow of doubt. No it doesn't, Stalinist perversions of 'Socialism in one country' do. The USSR before it became a degenerate and frankly horrific entity was liberating for most of the ethnicities in the former Russian Empire. How else could a Georgian, a Pole and several Jews rise to positions of influence? Especially given Tsarism's reliance on Russification and vile anti-semitism. Please read up on Communism before you make sweeping generalisations that are invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dada_rocks Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 To make it more clear even metaphorical Ram Rajya means: secular democracy sans appeasement trappings.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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